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VCO's

2004-12-19 by lars_arnwald

Hello,

Back in the early 80's I had a Serge panel consisting of NTO, PCO,
VCFX, DSG, plus some VCA, can't remember the model today. This was
played by a Lyricon Wind Driver, I did very little tweaking and it
usually produced some fluegelhorn/subdued alto sax sound. I used it
entirely for live situations together with tenor sax, and clarinet in
a Bay Area band named "Young, White and Gifted". Though the sound was
good I was not at ease with the Lyricon, it produced lots of glitches
with the finger movements. The Lyricon was lost in a burglary, and
after a few years I sold the Serge panel, something I came to regret
dearly later. After a couple of years Serge put together another,
rather limited system with PRNV, UAP, EQ, VCFX, that I intended to
process external sounds with.

Having listened to recordings of my original setup with the YW&G I
realize it had a very nice and warm sound although unusual. Despite
the Lyricon problems it had "acoustic" qualities, and just listening
to it makes it hard to distingush it from an acoustic instrument. Now
in possesion of much better wind drivers I want to recreate some of
that old feeling with my existing tiny system. I need oscillators
(1xNTO, 1xPCO, and something like the DSG), but the times when you
could get individual modules seem to be gone. Again, since I want to
use this stuff on stage I neither can nor want to spend 3-4K$ on a
new one.

Is there somebody who can give me recommendations about other VCO's,
MOTM, Doepfer, perhaps. I also have digital ones within my Clavia
Nord Micro Modular, and the Yamaha PLG150-AN card. If somebody have
experiences from these I would be interested to hear comparisons with
analog ones.

Regards,
Lars Arnwald, Stockholm, Sweden
lars.arnwald@...

Re: VCO's

2004-12-19 by don hassler

Plan B Model 15!
http://www.buzzclick-music.com/model_15.html
Don Hassler
USA
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--- lars_arnwald <lars.arnwald@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Back in the early 80's I had a Serge panel
> consisting of NTO, PCO,
> VCFX, DSG, plus some VCA, can't remember the model
> today. This was
> played by a Lyricon Wind Driver, I did very little
> tweaking and it
> usually produced some fluegelhorn/subdued alto sax
> sound. I used it
> entirely for live situations together with tenor
> sax, and clarinet in
> a Bay Area band named "Young, White and Gifted".
> Though the sound was
> good I was not at ease with the Lyricon, it produced
> lots of glitches
> with the finger movements. The Lyricon was lost in a
> burglary, and
> after a few years I sold the Serge panel, something
> I came to regret
> dearly later. After a couple of years Serge put
> together another,
> rather limited system with PRNV, UAP, EQ, VCFX, that
> I intended to
> process external sounds with.
>
> Having listened to recordings of my original setup
> with the YW&G I
> realize it had a very nice and warm sound although
> unusual. Despite
> the Lyricon problems it had "acoustic" qualities,
> and just listening
> to it makes it hard to distingush it from an
> acoustic instrument. Now
> in possesion of much better wind drivers I want to
> recreate some of
> that old feeling with my existing tiny system. I
> need oscillators
> (1xNTO, 1xPCO, and something like the DSG), but the
> times when you
> could get individual modules seem to be gone. Again,
> since I want to
> use this stuff on stage I neither can nor want to
> spend 3-4K$ on a
> new one.
>
> Is there somebody who can give me recommendations
> about other VCO's,
> MOTM, Doepfer, perhaps. I also have digital ones
> within my Clavia
> Nord Micro Modular, and the Yamaha PLG150-AN card.
> If somebody have
> experiences from these I would be interested to hear
> comparisons with
> analog ones.
>
> Regards,
> Lars Arnwald, Stockholm, Sweden
> lars.arnwald@...
>
>
>
>


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Re: VCO's

2004-12-19 by James R. Coplin

Except that the plan b has a very limited range. I like the Blacet VCO's a
bunch.

James R. Coplin
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for a spot of tea and am not
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: don hassler [mailto:dlh30039@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:21 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] VCO's
>
>
> Plan B Model 15!
> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/model_15.html
> Don Hassler
> USA
> --- lars_arnwald <lars.arnwald@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Back in the early 80's I had a Serge panel
> > consisting of NTO, PCO,
> > VCFX, DSG, plus some VCA, can't remember the model
> > today. This was
> > played by a Lyricon Wind Driver, I did very little
> > tweaking and it
> > usually produced some fluegelhorn/subdued alto sax
> > sound. I used it
> > entirely for live situations together with tenor
> > sax, and clarinet in
> > a Bay Area band named "Young, White and Gifted".
> > Though the sound was
> > good I was not at ease with the Lyricon, it produced
> > lots of glitches
> > with the finger movements. The Lyricon was lost in a
> > burglary, and
> > after a few years I sold the Serge panel, something
> > I came to regret
> > dearly later. After a couple of years Serge put
> > together another,
> > rather limited system with PRNV, UAP, EQ, VCFX, that
> > I intended to
> > process external sounds with.
> >
> > Having listened to recordings of my original setup
> > with the YW&G I
> > realize it had a very nice and warm sound although
> > unusual. Despite
> > the Lyricon problems it had "acoustic" qualities,
> > and just listening
> > to it makes it hard to distingush it from an
> > acoustic instrument. Now
> > in possesion of much better wind drivers I want to
> > recreate some of
> > that old feeling with my existing tiny system. I
> > need oscillators
> > (1xNTO, 1xPCO, and something like the DSG), but the
> > times when you
> > could get individual modules seem to be gone. Again,
> > since I want to
> > use this stuff on stage I neither can nor want to
> > spend 3-4K$ on a
> > new one.
> >
> > Is there somebody who can give me recommendations
> > about other VCO's,
> > MOTM, Doepfer, perhaps. I also have digital ones
> > within my Clavia
> > Nord Micro Modular, and the Yamaha PLG150-AN card.
> > If somebody have
> > experiences from these I would be interested to hear
> > comparisons with
> > analog ones.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lars Arnwald, Stockholm, Sweden
> > lars.arnwald@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: VCO's

2004-12-20 by Peter Grenader

James R. Coplin wrote:

>
> Except that the plan b has a very limited range. I like the Blacet VCO's a
> bunch.

GASP! SHREAK! COUGH COUGH GAAAAAAAK!

Possibly I need to reword my description on my site because I've seen this
pop up twice so far.. The Plan B is full range - 5 hertz to 20 kHz - with a
single pot. It has two processed VC inputs which can take you the full
travel of that pot. It has a third VC Input, scaled at ONE VOLT/OCT can do
the same. But as far as TRACKING PERFECTLY, it's about 5 octaves.

If you sit there forever and tweek the adjustment trim pot (very easy to get
to and it's 20 turn pot) - you can improve upon that.

- Peter



>
> James R. Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: don hassler [mailto:dlh30039@...]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:21 PM
>> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] VCO's
>>
>>
>> Plan B Model 15!
>> http://www.buzzclick-music.com/model_15.html
>> Don Hassler
>> USA
>> --- lars_arnwald <lars.arnwald@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Back in the early 80's I had a Serge panel
>>> consisting of NTO, PCO,
>>> VCFX, DSG, plus some VCA, can't remember the model
>>> today. This was
>>> played by a Lyricon Wind Driver, I did very little
>>> tweaking and it
>>> usually produced some fluegelhorn/subdued alto sax
>>> sound. I used it
>>> entirely for live situations together with tenor
>>> sax, and clarinet in
>>> a Bay Area band named "Young, White and Gifted".
>>> Though the sound was
>>> good I was not at ease with the Lyricon, it produced
>>> lots of glitches
>>> with the finger movements. The Lyricon was lost in a
>>> burglary, and
>>> after a few years I sold the Serge panel, something
>>> I came to regret
>>> dearly later. After a couple of years Serge put
>>> together another,
>>> rather limited system with PRNV, UAP, EQ, VCFX, that
>>> I intended to
>>> process external sounds with.
>>>
>>> Having listened to recordings of my original setup
>>> with the YW&G I
>>> realize it had a very nice and warm sound although
>>> unusual. Despite
>>> the Lyricon problems it had "acoustic" qualities,
>>> and just listening
>>> to it makes it hard to distingush it from an
>>> acoustic instrument. Now
>>> in possesion of much better wind drivers I want to
>>> recreate some of
>>> that old feeling with my existing tiny system. I
>>> need oscillators
>>> (1xNTO, 1xPCO, and something like the DSG), but the
>>> times when you
>>> could get individual modules seem to be gone. Again,
>>> since I want to
>>> use this stuff on stage I neither can nor want to
>>> spend 3-4K$ on a
>>> new one.
>>>
>>> Is there somebody who can give me recommendations
>>> about other VCO's,
>>> MOTM, Doepfer, perhaps. I also have digital ones
>>> within my Clavia
>>> Nord Micro Modular, and the Yamaha PLG150-AN card.
>>> If somebody have
>>> experiences from these I would be interested to hear
>>> comparisons with
>>> analog ones.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lars Arnwald, Stockholm, Sweden
>>> lars.arnwald@...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: VCO's

2004-12-20 by John P

?

Weren't the Blacet VCO's designed by Grant Richter? I woulda thought
they'd be bang-on. Or Peter are you just being contrary?

Also, what counts as "perfect" tracking?

Peter Grenader wrote:
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>James R. Coplin wrote:
>
>
>
>>Except that the plan b has a very limited range. I like the Blacet VCO's a
>>bunch.
>>
>>
>
>GASP! SHREAK! COUGH COUGH GAAAAAAAK!
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: VCO's

2004-12-21 by Peter Grenader

I was talking about the Plan B's range. By perfect tracking I was tlaking
about you can play and a black and white keyboard and the intervallic
response will be in tune over 5 octaves.

John P wrote:
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>
> ?
>
> Weren't the Blacet VCO's designed by Grant Richter? I woulda thought
> they'd be bang-on. Or Peter are you just being contrary?
>
> Also, what counts as "perfect" tracking?
>
> Peter Grenader wrote:
>
>> James R. Coplin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Except that the plan b has a very limited range. I like the Blacet VCO's a
>>> bunch.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> GASP! SHREAK! COUGH COUGH GAAAAAAAK!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: VCO's

2004-12-21 by John P

yeah, but why the gagging & puking sounds when Blacet VCO comes up?
I've never used one but I woulda thought it was a good design.

Peter Grenader wrote:
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>I was talking about the Plan B's range. By perfect tracking I was tlaking
>about you can play and a black and white keyboard and the intervallic
>response will be in tune over 5 octaves.
>
>
>
>

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surreal electronic music, sound, noise
http://mnml.soulcatcher.net

Re: VCO's

2004-12-21 by Peter Grenader

The gagging and puklng was my shock over the comment that the Plan be had a
very limited range.

The Blacet VCO is excellent. I've got four of them!

ohn P wrote:
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>
> yeah, but why the gagging & puking sounds when Blacet VCO comes up?
> I've never used one but I woulda thought it was a good design.
>
> Peter Grenader wrote:
>
>> I was talking about the Plan B's range. By perfect tracking I was tlaking
>> about you can play and a black and white keyboard and the intervallic
>> response will be in tune over 5 octaves.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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