SergeModular

Take it from a speaker snob (used to work at M&K):

General guidelines:

1) Keep in mind, that no matter WHAT the manufacturer tries to sell you, a
driver of 4 inches or less will give you nothing lower than 125Hz. Event is
famous for quoting lower than that. Yes, they will go lower that 125 - at
20dB or so attenuation.

2) Any small speaker (5 inch driver or less) is going to require a sub if
you want to hear what's going on in the first two octaves. This is
especially true of Event.

3) Stay away from the small powered Genelecs. - their freq response is
terrible. Not only no bass, but a big hole around 2K.

4) Seriously consider Blue Sky speakers. I know these guys - the head
engineers. One of them used ot work at Moog, actually - Rich Walberg.These
speakers are inexpensive, attractive and sound terrific.

On the speakers I know best:

M&K's new two way pro powered nearfields, the 1611Ps, are terrific. The
spent over two years developing them. Not cheap though - somewhere around
$1500 a pair. They're starship powered monitor, the 2510PK will give you
amazing imaging and freq response in the range they were designed for - 80
to about 24K. These babies run close to $2k a pop though.

But given you're talking about power amps, I assume you're talking non
powered monitors as well, so...

For imaging - the M&K S-1's were amazing, if you can find them. They've
been out of print for about 2 years. The M&K S150 and their Pro 1510s are
great - I've got a set of both - but not recommended if they're going to be
further than 3 feet from your head. A single S150 will run you about $1000
though - the 1510's are about $700 a pair.

If its any consolation, Don Buchla has been using M&K for about 15 years!

Here's the rub - all M&K speakers are designed to be used with subwoofers.
So add anywhere from $700 to $5K for those. Hell, at least they don't lie
saying their monitors will do things they can't. Outside of their subs,
they aren't using anything larger than 5 inches in any of the satellite
speakers - and they're not boasting a freq response better than 80 at the
bottom also.

hope this helps?,

_ P









darkstr1746@... wrote:


thanks for the early morning tutorial. I need information like that to bring
me up to speed. It's not easy being lost back in the early seventies.....
hell, sixties. I especially like the take on modern syth "stereo"
recordings. I have been trying to get away from that by just recording one
channel and doing the external processing from that one track.
But with the Serge, i have nothing to worry about right from the off.
Everything is mono tracks because each sound i create is discreet. A concept
i adhered to while recording Paleozoic Twilight. So when i'm doing "modular
music", imaging becomes important to me. Depth of field is also
important.Large "sweet spot" is probably farther on down the list.
So now that I'v received more information than i know what to do with
regarding power amps. I guess i should pose the obvious question of which
speakers do people think do the best job of imaging while retaining good
depth of field.?? Or does the question even have any significance because
of the fact that most home studios are in small bedrooms or basements where
physical conditions render such considerations moot?
What happens in the reviewers studio or in the "studio/listening" room at
the local GC won't mean a thing when the above conditions are applied. This
may be pushing the OT fringe for the AH list. If so, please reply to me
personaly. Otherwise Mark may have to put down his morning brew and give me
a whack. : )
kind regards
john duval
kind regars
john duval




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John "I'm selling my Serge... no, really, I MEAN it this time" Duval wrote:

I fell in love with the KRK 7000B after a long day of mixing, because my ears didn’t hurt. Very smooth, with good imaging due to its phase-aligned design. Unfortunately, they’ve been discontinued (Ebay to the rescue?). My home studio monitors are still NS-10s with a powered Yamaha subwoofer. I avoid laying them on their sides in the usual industry fashion, because theoretically the imaging is tighter and horizontal dispersion is wider when drivers are aligned vertically. And NO tissue paper! ;-)

Jacques

On 5/5/05 10:00 AM, "darkstr1746@..." <darkstr1746@...> wrote:

thanks for the early morning tutorial. I need information like that to bring me up to speed. It's not easy being lost back in the early seventies..... hell, sixties. I especially like the take on modern syth "stereo" recordings. I have been trying to get away from that by just recording one channel and doing the external processing from that one track.
But with the Serge, i have nothing to worry about right from the off. Everything is mono tracks because each sound i create is discreet. A concept i adhered to while recording Paleozoic Twilight. So when i'm doing "modular music", imaging becomes important to me. Depth of field is also important.Large "sweet spot" is probably farther on down the list.
So now that I'v received more information than i know what to do with regarding power amps. I guess i should pose the obvious question of which speakers do people think do the best job of imaging while retaining good depth of field.?? Or does the question even have any significance because of the fact that most home studios are in small bedrooms or basements where physical conditions render such considerations moot?
What happens in the reviewers studio or in the "studio/listening" room at the local GC won't mean a thing when the above conditions are applied. This may be pushing the OT fringe for the AH list. If so, please reply to me personaly. Otherwise Mark may have to put down his morning brew and give me a whack. : )
kind regards
john duval
kind regars
john duval




-------------- Original message --------------
John "I'm selling my Serge... no, really, I MEAN it this time" Duval wrote:
>
> What is imaging?? Is that what us oldtimers used to call
>"spread"or "depth of field"???

Imaging is more an ability to close one's eyes, listen, then point
and say, "The guitarist was standing THERE." It's not so much the
width or depth of the soundstage... those can be faked pretty easily
in DSP... but its detail as perceived by the ear. I have heard
monitors with incredible depth of field that have lousy imaging, and
I've heard monitors with amazing imaging that have good but not
exceptional depth of field. Neither has anything strictly to do with
another useful concept, which is dispersion, a.k.a. how wide the
sweet spot is. With really good imaging, you don't just have a vague
left-right-phantom center, but a very realistic and involving
sensation of musical sources in a stereo listening environment, with
all the time and amplitude cues that your ears need to reconstruct
the world around you.

That having been said, I should note that imaging is most important
for listening to jazz or classical music, since for most modern synth
music, imaging is meaningless, because no one understands how to use
synths in mono any more. Almost every synth on the market has stereo
outputs, where a dry sound that may or may not have a particular pan
position is slathered with full-on stereo reverb and chorusing. A
"mix" is no longer a virtual stage with one synth over here and
another synth over there, but a sort of sonic baklavah of layered
full-width stereo images on top of one another, having nothing in
common and all muscling for the same domination of the soundstage.
When something dynamic *does* get put into the stereo panorama, it's
likely to be an LFO-driven autopan that makes the dry sound swirl
sickeningly within the reverb, like a spoon futilely trying to stir
congealed gravy.

This is where engineers get the expression, "If everything's in
stereo, nothing's in stereo."

mike

Believe it! 2 four stage programmers and a Pulse Sequencer. The boards are
alrady mounted to rails and wires aresoldered to the PCBs and labeled. No
connections to the faceplate however. Comes with a blank steel pane
faceplate without graphics. PDF files of the original programmer and
sequencer faceplates can be provided - you'll just have to print them on
crack and peel paper and laminate over them with a clear acetate - just like
in the ol' days on Western Avenue.

hope this helps.

- P


Ryan Ryan wrote:

hey selling a serge kit for a dual progrmamer + pulse sequencer i believe:-)
something like that:D it's not finished late 80s. it could be a cheap way
f or more serginess to your system:-D



-ryan


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The pdfs you get where? Cramolin bubbled up the
laminate on my beast.
Thanks!
Don Hassler

hmm sounds interesting..
what about power supply connection ?
- i've got one mid 90's panel w ps..

best, - Kim

Power supply connection: It's whatever you wish it to be. It's the
standard daisy chain, pads off one of the PCBA's thing.

Panel Art (question forom another letter): I know someone who's got some of
the old art that was converted to PDF.

I should mention that this panel also comes with an aluminum chassis box,
about 2 1/2 inches thick. It also has two rack ears if you want to do that,
too.

- P

> Power supply connection: It's whatever you wish it to be. It's the
> standard daisy chain, pads off one of the PCBA's thing.

Doesn't the pulse sequencer require an old Serge supply
with the extra +6v output?


Steve

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