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The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Cynthia Webster

Announcing...
The revolutionary new ~Zeroscillator~ FM VCO from Cynthia.

Available now in a variety of popular modular synthesizer formats!

(Yes, you read that right!)

http://www.cyndustries.com/



***** PRESS RELEASE 12/08/05 *****

They said it couldn't be done... but Team Cynthia went and figured it
out anyway!

Cyndustries.Com announces

The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

A Liquid Smooth All Analog Through-Zero FM Oscillator for Modular
Synthesizers
For the first time traditional digital FM synthesis is possible in an
all analog signal path.


http://www.cyndustries.com/


Features Include:

Through-zero Linear FM Operation. AC & DC Linear FM Inputs with
4-Quadrant Dynamic Depth VCA. Separate Outputs for All Traditional
Waveforms.
Voltage Controlled Bi-Phasic Waveform Morphing in Four-Phase Quadrature.
Variable Synch. Precision Ten-Turn Tuning Knob
Switchable Linear Bias Modulation Depth and Polarity LEDs.
Unique Time Reversal Input!
What does all this mean? It means incredibly rich and alive sonic
textures are now available to you!
It means that brass, woodwinds, percussion and exotic electronic mayhem
are just a knob-twist away without need of filtering or other spectral
post-processing!
It means a whole new, exciting way of synthesizing sound on your modular!
Advanced engineering and the very latest in exotic semiconductors enable
the amazing Zeroscillator to create classic (digital) Linear FM
Synthesis on your modular with reliable, all-analog ("Look Ma, no
aliasing!") circuitry.

Physically, the Zeroscillator's design and build quality are
stratospheric. The finest components are employed using high-quality
4-layer circuit boards, NKK Switches and Switchcraft connectors. All
chips are in military-grade type gold sockets, and gold connectors are
used internally for years of trouble-free maintainance.
Sonically, Zeroscillators produce crystaline FM textures without the
assorted noises and grit of digital. Zeroscillators increase the
sophistication of your music because each use is a delightful journey
into undiscovered, exciting new dimensions!
Learn for yourself what the "Through-Zero" & "Dynamic Linear FM" buzz
is all about using actual analog synthesizers. Sieze this opportunity
to invigorate your music with this breakthrough in electronic
technology by equipping yourself with exciting new Zeroscillators today!


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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Carbon111

>For the first time traditional digital FM synthesis is possible in an
>all analog signal path.

Plonk!

The Serge NTOs and PCOs do this already.
Both exponential and *linear* FM are implemented.
No pitch-shift/drift. Rock solid.

Best Regards, James
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Ben Vehorn

There's been a big discussion about DX-style FM on the MOTM list
recently and if I'm gleaning the correct info from that, the thing that
makes it unique is that you can do thru-zero FM.
I don't think the Serge can do this, but I could be wrong. A lot of the
advanced FM stuff is pretty martian to me.
FWIW, many oscillators have both linear and exp. FM inputs.
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On Dec 8, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Carbon111 wrote:

> >For the first time traditional digital FM synthesis is possible in an
> >all analog signal path.
>
> Plonk!
>
> The Serge NTOs and PCOs do this already.
> Both exponential and *linear* FM are implemented.
> No pitch-shift/drift. Rock solid.
>
> Best Regards, James
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Carbon111

>I don't think the Serge can do this, but I could be wrong. A lot of
>the advanced FM stuff is pretty martian to me.

The Serge oscillators have a dedicated FM input labeled "VC F" for "Dynamic Depth Linear Frequency Modulation" - this appears to be through-zero FM to me, at least it *acts* like it.

My apolgies if I'm wrong.

Best Regards, James
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by don hassler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation_synthesis
explains it nicely(of all places). I found it
confusing when manufacturers would use phase and
frequency modulation interchangably. I was confronted
by that practice on the
kyma system too. What they indicate as fm turned out
to be pm, which became a big deal when I wanted to
sweep my modulators subsonic.
-- Ben Vehorn <mathlete23@...> wrote:
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> There's been a big discussion about DX-style FM on
> the MOTM list
> recently and if I'm gleaning the correct info from
> that, the thing that
> makes it unique is that you can do thru-zero FM.
> I don't think the Serge can do this, but I could be
> wrong. A lot of the
> advanced FM stuff is pretty martian to me.
> FWIW, many oscillators have both linear and exp. FM
> inputs.
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Carbon111 wrote:
>
> > >For the first time traditional digital FM
> synthesis is possible in an
> > >all analog signal path.
> >
> > Plonk!
> >
> > The Serge NTOs and PCOs do this already.
> > Both exponential and *linear* FM are implemented.
> > No pitch-shift/drift. Rock solid.
> >
> > Best Regards, James
> > --
> > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> >
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> >
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Josue Arias

Nope, The serge NTO don`t have thru-zero FM, it have linear and exponential FM and a VCA for voltage control of index.
I wish my NTOs had it....
Josue.

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Here's why I had deja vu, check out the Dynamic Depth Linear Frequency
Modulation description on the NTO page of the old Serge catalog:

http://www.carbon111.com/serge1982.pdf

And, like I said, it certainly acts like this, right down to the
dedicated VCA....

Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Carbon111

>Nope, The serge NTO don`t have thru-zero FM, it have linear and exponential FM and a VCA for voltage control of index. I wish my NTOs had it.... Josue.

Okay, so whats the difference between through-0 and Lin FM without a DC offset?
Best Regards, James

Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by John Loffink

Through zero refers to the ability to reverse the phase of the oscillator
waveform through modulation. For instance, a ramp (rising) waveform becomes
a sawtooth (falling) waveform, without glitching. This gives a stronger
effect than normal Linear FM.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Carbon111
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:06 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [SergeModular] Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!
>
> >Nope, The serge NTO don`t have thru-zero FM, it have linear and
> exponential FM and a VCA for voltage control of index. I wish my NTOs had
> it.... Josue.
>
> Okay, so whats the difference between through-0 and Lin FM without a DC
> offset?
> Best Regards, James
>
>

Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-08 by Carbon111

>Through zero refers to the ability to reverse the phase of the oscillator
>waveform through modulation. For instance, a ramp (rising) waveform becomes
>a sawtooth (falling) waveform, without glitching. This gives a stronger
>effect than normal Linear FM.

Thanks John,
I understand now. So its an analog implementation of DX-style FM (PM) ?
Best Regards, James

Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-09 by Ben Vehorn

This is how it was described on the MOTM list in the recent discussion.

it goes down to zero hertz and
then through to "negative" (phase reversed?) frequencies? (within
one cycle)

I think that linear FM was probably pretty uncommon when the Serge oscs
first came out, but many modern modular VCOs feature it now. The
dynamic portion is useful, but I think it's simply a VCA strapped
across the mod input that allows you to vary the depth.
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On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Carbon111 wrote:

>> Nope, The serge NTO don`t have thru-zero FM, it have linear and
>> exponential FM and a VCA for voltage control of index. I wish my NTOs
>> had it.... Josue.
>
> Okay, so whats the difference between through-0 and Lin FM without a
> DC offset?
> Best Regards, James
>
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-09 by John Loffink

More precisely, the Zeroscillator and Yamaha DX operators both implement
Phase Modulation. VCOs with non-thru zero linear FM implement Frequency
Modulation. Both of these are types of Angle Modulation as defined in
communication theory.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Carbon111
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:38 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Re: [SergeModular] Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!
>
> >Through zero refers to the ability to reverse the phase of the oscillator
> >waveform through modulation. For instance, a ramp (rising) waveform
> becomes
> >a sawtooth (falling) waveform, without glitching. This gives a stronger
> >effect than normal Linear FM.
>
> Thanks John,
> I understand now. So its an analog implementation of DX-style FM (PM) ?
> Best Regards, James
>
>

Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-09 by John P

hmm... according to the web page, it uses a four quadrant multiplier
instead of a vca to modulate the depth of the fm.
so if you have a ring modulator in your rig then you can get the same
effect? route your fm modulating signal to 'signal' of your ring mod,
and the depth modulating signal to the 'carrier', and send the ring mod
output to your normal fm linear input. might be fun to try....

John Loffink wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>More precisely, the Zeroscillator and Yamaha DX operators both implement
>Phase Modulation. VCOs with non-thru zero linear FM implement Frequency
>Modulation. Both of these are types of Angle Modulation as defined in
>communication theory.
>
>John Loffink
>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
>>On Behalf Of Carbon111
>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:38 PM
>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: RE: Re: [SergeModular] Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!
>>
>>
>>
>>>Through zero refers to the ability to reverse the phase of the oscillator
>>>waveform through modulation. For instance, a ramp (rising) waveform
>>>
>>>
>>becomes
>>
>>
>>>a sawtooth (falling) waveform, without glitching. This gives a stronger
>>>effect than normal Linear FM.
>>>
>>>
>>Thanks John,
>>I understand now. So its an analog implementation of DX-style FM (PM) ?
>>Best Regards, James
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!

2005-12-09 by John Loffink

Don't mistake phase reversal of the modulation source with phase reversal of
the VCO output. They are two different things. The four quadrant modulator
input just means that the Linear FM source can be amplified by both a 0 to
positive signal and by a 0 to negative signal, instead of just 0 to positive
like a VCA.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of John P
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:24 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: The Amazing New Zeroscillator!
>
> hmm... according to the web page, it uses a four quadrant multiplier
> instead of a vca to modulate the depth of the fm.
> so if you have a ring modulator in your rig then you can get the same
> effect? route your fm modulating signal to 'signal' of your ring mod,
> and the depth modulating signal to the 'carrier', and send the ring mod
> output to your normal fm linear input. might be fun to try....
>

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