Serge Jack colors and Their functional meanings?
2007-12-06 by randaleem
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2007-12-06 by randaleem
2007-12-06 by Y.:P
Hi,
I've seen some of these explained online, but not all. Does anyone have
a comprehensive list of Jack colors used by Serge modules all through
the years, and their meaning?
Including those which may have changed, or been used sparsely? And any
functions which may have been used with more than one color?
If there is a fully comprehensive list already somewhere, I haven't
found it in the usual locations.
Thank you for any help.
Kind regards, Randal
2007-12-06 by Carbon111
>From: randaleem <randaleem@...>
>Date: 2007/12/06 Thu AM 07:15:50 CST
>Hi,
>
>I've seen some of these explained online, but not all. Does anyone have
>a comprehensive list of Jack colors used by Serge modules all through
>the years, and their meaning?
2007-12-06 by Steve Ridley
> red: triggerRed = gate or trigger pulses in older systems. More recent
> blue: AC coupled CV / audioNo. Blue is DC coupled signals in the 0 to +5v range.
> black: DC coupled CV / audioBipolar signals - swing positive and negative in the
2007-12-06 by Y.:P
2007-12-06 by riluttante
> > red: triggerFWIW, some recent systems still seem to use red for trigger/gates. My 2006 and 2007
>
> Red = gate or trigger pulses in older systems. More recent
> systems use yellow for trigger.
>But all blue inputs respond to negative voltages too, right?
> > blue: AC coupled CV / audio
>
> No. Blue is DC coupled signals in the 0 to +5v range.
> Usually CV, but not always.
>I know what AC and DC stand for, but can someone explain the functional difference in
> > black: DC coupled CV / audio
>
> Bipolar signals - swing positive and negative in the
> range -5v to +5v. Audio or control signals. May be
> AC or DC coupled.
>
> Very early Serges sometimes used Green for sync and
> white for CV, and I've seen white used for the coupler
> on SSGs (which swings -10v to +10v).
>
>
> Steve
>
2007-12-06 by Kim Hansen
>On my ADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..
>
> function that uses more than one color: trigger and gate inputs on the
> envelope generator: one is yellow and one's red.. according to Rex,
> they serve exactly the same function but use different colors for
> visual differentiation
>
2007-12-06 by Y.:P
On Dec 6, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Y.:P wrote:
function that uses more than one color: trigger and gate inputs on the envelope generator: one is yellow and one's red.. according to Rex,
they serve exactly the same function but use different colors for visual differentiation
On my ADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..
Kim
2007-12-06 by Carbon111
>On my ADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..On mine as well...mine functions as its described on page 5-7 in the Rich Gold Book:
2007-12-06 by James R. Coplin
Arp 2600, arp odyssey, cynthia’s envelopes, modcan 04a, and I think the e-mu modulars…
James R. Coplin
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Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007
5:08 PM
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Serge Jack colors and Their functional meanings?
>On my
ADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..
On mine as well...mine functions as its described on page 5-7 in the Rich Gold
Book:
http://www.carbon11 1.com/sergebook. zip
Yellow is trig in, red is gate in.
The trig in is a cool feature as it makes the ADSR behave unlike any other ADSR
I have ever seen.
Best Regards, James
--
http://www.carbon11 1.com
2007-12-06 by Carbon111
>From: "James R. Coplin" <james@...>
>Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 05:18:01 CST
>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Re: [SergeModular] Serge Jack colors and Their functional meanings?
>
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>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
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>>On myADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..
>
>On mine as well...mine functions as its described on page 5-7 in the Rich GoldBook:
>
>http://www.carbon111.com/sergebook.zip
>
>Yellow is trig in, red is gate in.
>
>The trig in is a cool feature as it makes the ADSR behave unlike any other ADSRI have ever seen.
>
>Best Regards, James
>--
>http://www.carbon111.com
>
2007-12-06 by randaleem
>In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "riluttante" <riluttante@...> wrote:AC coupled means there is a capacitor at the input which the signal
>I know what AC and DC stand for, but can someone explain the
>functional difference in the Serge system between these two?
>I understand from the above description that a bipolar, -5v to +5vYes. DC or AC coupling does not limit the inputs you can use, it
>output may still be DC coupled?
>Thanks for the questions and answers, good to see some of the basicsYes, thank you as well.
>explained!
> > Very early Serges sometimes used Green for sync and
> > white for CV, and I've seen white used for the coupler
> > on SSGs (which swings -10v to +10v).
> > Steve
2007-12-06 by matthew carpenter
On 12/6/07, randaleem <randaleem@...> wrote:Hi,
Thank you all for the answers so far. There seems to be some confusion
or overlap in some of these based on conflicts in answers? (No wonder
I've been wondering!)
I hope others will continue to answer to either confirm or contest the
answers so far given. It would be nice to have this info as accurate as
possible and posted somewhere readily available to all of us?
Meanwhile, I'll try to answer the questions posed below.
>In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "riluttante" <riluttante@...> wrote:
>I know what AC and DC stand for, but can someone explain the
>functional difference in the Serge system between these two?
AC coupled means there is a capacitor at the input which the signal
must go through to be further processed. The functional effect of this
is that DC will not be passed. Therefore if you place an AC signal at
this input, its DC component (its offset from gnd, above OR below, or
both!) will be removed. This can help in "converting" CV's into "audio"
or "signals". It may also be used to eliminate a CV "carrier" from an
audio signal.
Words like signal, CV and Audio are necessarily limiting in a
discussion like this. When does a fast changing CV become a signal?
When does a slow moving "audio" signal become a CV? best to simply know
that there is a capacitor there, and then seek to learn enough about
capacitors to understand what will happen to various types of inputs
applied there.
Other capacitor effects may be present at AC coupled inputs, such as
input resistance changes due to capacitive reactance. (A fancy way of
saying that a capacitor acts like a resistor to a greater and lesser
degree depending upon its size in uF and the relationship between that
size and the input frequency.) Usually the circuit designer in most
general synth audio paths will attempt to minimise these kinds of "side
effects" for the expected signal frequencies to be encountered, by
careful selection of the capacitor size chosen for AC coupling. Other
times a capacitor may be chosen to take advantage of this effect, and
instead of attempting to be "transparent" to the signal going through,
it is acting as a consciously applied filter of the incoming signal.
DC coupled means there is no capacitor. Just a direct wire. Therefore
the DC component of the input is allowed to pass through maintaining
its "height" above or below ground. AC signals are not affected in any
way. This can cause problems when an AC signal is not centered about
ground equally. Because then the DC components do not cancel out and we
may hear their potential differences expressed as nasty clicks, pops,
or other (usually!) undesirable artifacts in the sound output. (Which
is one reason why we are given the option of AC coupling!)
>I understand from the above description that a bipolar, -5v to +5v
>output may still be DC coupled?
Yes. DC or AC coupling does not limit the inputs you can use, it
affects what gets passed on to the next stage in sound or CV processing.
Put a DC CV into an AC coupled input and nothing gets through, unless
the CV is changing fast enough in voltage level to be considered as AC
by the capacitor at the input. Conversely, if you have summed(mixed) CV
into your audio, and you put this through a DC coupled input; further
processing may not behave as expected due to the fact that the audio is
no longer centered around ground.
So there are reasons to use these AC and DC coupled inputs as intended,
and also reasons to go against their originally intended functions.
Just know that there is a capacitor on the AC coupled inputs and
experiment from there!
>Thanks for the questions and answers, good to see some of the basics
>explained!
Yes, thank you as well.
Kind regards, Randal
> > Very early Serges sometimes used Green for sync and
> > white for CV, and I've seen white used for the coupler
> > on SSGs (which swings -10v to +10v).
> > Steve
2007-12-07 by James R. Coplin
What’s really funny is that I bitched about this “stupid” design for years on my 2600 and odyssey and used a y-cable to split the gate and use it as a trigger. It wasn’t until using it constantly for some time that I suddenly made the connection with why it was that way.
James
From:
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[SergeModular] Serge Jack colors and Their functional meanings?
Cool to know, James.
I like to use a pulsed trig input to throw a nice "vertical voltage
zig-zag" on a steady CV that gives me a very different response than a
LFO-type-of- thing...
Serge is the only modular other than .com that I'm familiar with so its
refreshing that this musically useful and unique ADSR functionality is out
there in other units.
Best Regards, James
--
http://www.carbon11 1.com
>From: "James R. Coplin" <james@ticalun. net>
meanings?
>Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 05:18:01 CST
>To: SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com
>Subject: RE: Re: [SergeModular] Serge Jack colors and Their functional
>
e-mu modulars…
>Arp 2600, arp odyssey, cynthia’senvelopes, modcan 04a, and I think the
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GoldBook:
>>On myADSR the gate and trigger inputs have different functions..
>
>On mine as well...mine functions as its described on page 5-7 in the Rich
>
ADSRI have ever seen.
>http://www.carbon11 1.com/sergebook. zip
>
>Yellow is trig in, red is gate in.
>
>The trig in is a cool feature as it makes the ADSR behave unlike any other
>
>Best Regards, James
>--
>http://www.carbon11 1.com
>
2007-12-07 by Steve Ridley
>> No. Blue is DC coupled signals in the 0 to +5v range.Usually, but not always. I don't think the TWS responds to
>> Usually CV, but not always.
> But all blue inputs respond to negative voltages too, right?
>>> black: DC coupled CV / audioThat should have been -2.5v to +2.5v....
>> Bipolar signals - swing positive and negative in the
>> range -5v to +5v. Audio or control signals. May be
>> AC or DC coupled.
> I understand from the above description that a bipolar, -5v to +5v output may still be DCYes. AC coupling is usually only found on inputs, but some
> coupled?
2007-12-08 by evetsterueb
> ...I think the colour system developed back around 1973/4, andMore grist for the mill:
> as the modules developed, the colour codes didn't always
> fit perfectly, so the definitions of the colours has become
> quite loose. If you think blue usually CV, black usually
> audio and red usually trigger/gate, you won't go far wrong.