SergeModular

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy Serge-people:
>
> While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
>
> Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
>
> Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
>
> So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
>
> Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, sascha victoria <sascha.victoria@...> wrote:
>
> Don't forget Volta should be coming out soon so that could potentially do an
> amazing job as far as sequencing goes...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:27 AM, b3nnysf <b3nnysf@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm at a similar point, In that I really am longing for the TKB... and have
> > thought a bunch about the SKP... Well, to be honest I've been dreaming of
> > two SKP's in one m-boat... or even 1 SKP and one CV matrix mixer... anyways.
> >
> > Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to
> > hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes
> > track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose--
> > filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
> >
> > If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be
> > lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP?
> > well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with
> > that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a
> > CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It
> > also has the ÷N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The
> > creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck
> > in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
> >
> > Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a
> > 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
> >
> > that's my take on it.
> >
> > later,
> > ben
> > ..
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy Serge-people:
> > >
> > > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've
> > never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I
> > may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> > >
> > > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted
> > crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite
> > some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha
> > tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no
> > real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k
> > and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing
> > guitar.
> > >
> > > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast
> > understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel...
> > well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect
> > the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no
> > way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days)
> > with both.
> > >
> > > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either
> > sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep
> > in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the
> > mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time
> > I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing
> > (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be
> > more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully
> > understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> > >
> > > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm at a similar point, In that I really am longing for the TKB... and have thought a bunch about the SKP... Well, to be honest I've been dreaming of two SKP's in one m-boat... or even 1 SKP and one CV matrix mixer... anyways.
>
> Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose-- filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
>
> If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP? well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It also has the ÷N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
>
> Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
>
> that's my take on it.
>
> later,
> ben
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Serge-people:
> >
> > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> >
> > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
> >
> > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
> >
> > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> >
> > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> >
>

>
> Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose-- filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
>
> If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP? well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It also has the �N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
>
> Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
>
> that's my take on it.
>
> later,
> ben
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Serge-people:
> >
> > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> >
> > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
> >
> > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
> >
> > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> >
> > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@...> wrote:
>
> hey ben,
> i just got a doepfer MCV4 to trigger my serge + euro rack stuff together and it's tracking poorly. can you inform further on the "grounding kit"?
>
> many thanks!
>
> >
> > Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose-- filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
> >
> > If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP? well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It also has the �N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
> >
> > Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
> >
> > that's my take on it.
> >
> > later,
> > ben
> > ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy Serge-people:
> > >
> > > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> > >
> > > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
> > >
> > > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
> > >
> > > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> > >
> > > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> > >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "jarg_marbin" <jarg_marbin@...> wrote:
>
> I just entered the analog synthesis world myself with my first m-boat purchase: crature + audio interface last week.
>
> I got this combo to turn all the audio I'm already good at creating (via gadgetry like Kaossilator and other instruments I've accumulated) into processed CV and gate signals. I'm still waiting for the Audio Interface unit to arrive, so in the meantime I'm going to build the "MIDIbox CV" (offers 8 CVs, 8 gates, DIY) http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_cv.html to provide another method of interfacing the instrument.
>
> It was really tough for me to choose the right partner for my creature, especially when it's my first analog purchase, and not ever having seen or used one in real life before. I knew I wanted a flexible, expressive instrument, without too much redundancy. I also wanted to integrate the instrument into the music i've already been creating.
>
> After reading every piece of documentation I could find, looking at every m-odule at http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/serge.php, watching every youtube video, and talking to Rex several times, I was going over the M-odules again and when I saw the Audio Interface this time I knew right away.
>
> I think the key is knowing what you want to do with it, and knowing about the great many external sequencing/CV/Gate options to control the thing.
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@...> wrote:
>
> That midibox cv makes me wish I had some better DIY chops.
>
> It seems with the proliferation of m-odules that there are many folks looking at a creature + [x] boat. (As Ben notes above, the creature may well be the best bang-for-buck in the format.)
>
> So it seems I'm still torn on [x], which will certainly impact my further decision regarding midi conversion from my existing toys... at least insofar as the immediate future is concerned. My options seem to have narrowed to two:
>
> Should we let [x] = dual osc (I'll admit I hadn't really considered this, but it is damn tempting) I'm sonically capable of approaching "massive" territory... hell, I could even coax some duophonics... maybe. I'd likely be looking for a high resolution converter and would be more concerned with multiple cv than gates. All sequencing duties would remain in the MPC. My guess is that this would tend to lead me to a more "traditional" approach (at least as far as my historical way-of-doing-things is concerned). I'm also wondering at this point if I shouldn't just grab an Animal panel.
>
> Should we let [x] = seq-a (this is really where I started, thanks in part to kkonkkrete's youtube vid), while I may still do some note for note sequencing from the MPC, I'd probably spend a whole lot more of my time programming gates/triggers to control some seq-a functions. My convertor would now need more gates than CV (and from my preliminary research, it seems it would be a custom or DIY solution).
>
> Rambling here, I know... but I'm not one to take this lightly. I'm sure I'll make up my mind in a few days.
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "jarg_marbin" <jarg_marbin@> wrote:
> >
> > I just entered the analog synthesis world myself with my first m-boat purchase: crature + audio interface last week.
> >
> > I got this combo to turn all the audio I'm already good at creating (via gadgetry like Kaossilator and other instruments I've accumulated) into processed CV and gate signals. I'm still waiting for the Audio Interface unit to arrive, so in the meantime I'm going to build the "MIDIbox CV" (offers 8 CVs, 8 gates, DIY) http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_cv.html to provide another method of interfacing the instrument.
> >
> > It was really tough for me to choose the right partner for my creature, especially when it's my first analog purchase, and not ever having seen or used one in real life before. I knew I wanted a flexible, expressive instrument, without too much redundancy. I also wanted to integrate the instrument into the music i've already been creating.
> >
> > After reading every piece of documentation I could find, looking at every m-odule at http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/serge.php, watching every youtube video, and talking to Rex several times, I was going over the M-odules again and when I saw the Audio Interface this time I knew right away.
> >
> > I think the key is knowing what you want to do with it, and knowing about the great many external sequencing/CV/Gate options to control the thing.
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@...> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> I just want to throw another wrench into your decision making machine.
> lets look at the SQP real quick. It has trigger inputs for each step. These can then act as "sound presets", for example, you tune a bassdrum sound with the 4 voltages of step 1-- controlling various params on your serge. Then you tune a snare on step 2 (most likely a real funky snare because of limitations and creativity to overcome these)
>
> OK, so now you still have 4 "presets" to make other sounds, bass, hi-hats whatever...
>
> Trigger these steps with two gates. could be from your midi box, or a drum machine or even a really hot sample from the MPC's outputs. Now tweak params on your serge... (run it through a delay) instant analog drum heaven..
>
> Sounds fantastic... I dont even own one yet!!!! AAArgh!
> later,
> ben
> ..
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> >
> > That midibox cv makes me wish I had some better DIY chops.
> >
> > It seems with the proliferation of m-odules that there are many folks looking at a creature + [x] boat. (As Ben notes above, the creature may well be the best bang-for-buck in the format.)
> >
> > So it seems I'm still torn on [x], which will certainly impact my further decision regarding midi conversion from my existing toys... at least insofar as the immediate future is concerned. My options seem to have narrowed to two:
> >
> > Should we let [x] = dual osc (I'll admit I hadn't really considered this, but it is damn tempting) I'm sonically capable of approaching "massive" territory... hell, I could even coax some duophonics... maybe. I'd likely be looking for a high resolution converter and would be more concerned with multiple cv than gates. All sequencing duties would remain in the MPC. My guess is that this would tend to lead me to a more "traditional" approach (at least as far as my historical way-of-doing-things is concerned). I'm also wondering at this point if I shouldn't just grab an Animal panel.
> >
> > Should we let [x] = seq-a (this is really where I started, thanks in part to kkonkkrete's youtube vid), while I may still do some note for note sequencing from the MPC, I'd probably spend a whole lot more of my time programming gates/triggers to control some seq-a functions. My convertor would now need more gates than CV (and from my preliminary research, it seems it would be a custom or DIY solution).
> >
> > Rambling here, I know... but I'm not one to take this lightly. I'm sure I'll make up my mind in a few days.
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "jarg_marbin" <jarg_marbin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just entered the analog synthesis world myself with my first m-boat purchase: crature + audio interface last week.
> > >
> > > I got this combo to turn all the audio I'm already good at creating (via gadgetry like Kaossilator and other instruments I've accumulated) into processed CV and gate signals. I'm still waiting for the Audio Interface unit to arrive, so in the meantime I'm going to build the "MIDIbox CV" (offers 8 CVs, 8 gates, DIY) http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_cv.html to provide another method of interfacing the instrument.
> > >
> > > It was really tough for me to choose the right partner for my creature, especially when it's my first analog purchase, and not ever having seen or used one in real life before. I knew I wanted a flexible, expressive instrument, without too much redundancy. I also wanted to integrate the instrument into the music i've already been creating.
> > >
> > > After reading every piece of documentation I could find, looking at every m-odule at http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/serge.php, watching every youtube video, and talking to Rex several times, I was going over the M-odules again and when I saw the Audio Interface this time I knew right away.
> > >
> > > I think the key is knowing what you want to do with it, and knowing about the great many external sequencing/CV/Gate options to control the thing.
> > >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> hey Hans,
>
> No problem. the grounding "kit" was merely a "spade" with a banana plug input, your supposed to put the spade under a screw and tighten it down on your device to be grounded with the serge, then you connect the long black banana cable to the serge power supply and to the spade...
>
> http://www.testpath.com/Items/Adapter-Shrouded-Banana-Jack-to-6-Spade-Lug-Black-112-785.htm
>
> Now, I took off the spade and soldered a solid core wire there instead, and I partially unscrew the sleeve on the 1/4 inch connector, then screw it back down tight with the wire pinched in between. This 1/4 plugs into the CV1 output on MCV4. On the other end of the 1/4 inch wire is a banana plug (I got a bundle of 1/4 to banana wires from Rex) and this is plugged into the 1 volt per octave on the NTO or PCO. Perfect tracking over the entire keyboard. Other modules dont track perfectly such as DSG and the right half of the TGO, and to some degree the left half of the TGO ( 4 octaves good )
>
> I hope that helps. :)
>
> later,
> ben
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@> wrote:
> >
> > hey ben,
> > i just got a doepfer MCV4 to trigger my serge + euro rack stuff together and it's tracking poorly. can you inform further on the "grounding kit"?
> >
> > many thanks!
> >
> > >
> > > Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose-- filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
> > >
> > > If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP? well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It also has the �N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
> > >
> > > Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
> > >
> > > that's my take on it.
> > >
> > > later,
> > > ben
> > > ..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Howdy Serge-people:
> > > >
> > > > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> > > >
> > > > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
> > > >
> > > > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
> > > >
> > > > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@...> wrote:
>
> thanks ben:
> can you clarify: "your supposed to put the spade under a screw" which screw are you referring to? a screw on the MCV4?
>
> Many thanks for the info!
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > hey Hans,
> >
> > No problem. the grounding "kit" was merely a "spade" with a banana plug input, your supposed to put the spade under a screw and tighten it down on your device to be grounded with the serge, then you connect the long black banana cable to the serge power supply and to the spade...
> >
> > http://www.testpath.com/Items/Adapter-Shrouded-Banana-Jack-to-6-Spade-Lug-Black-112-785.htm
> >
> > Now, I took off the spade and soldered a solid core wire there instead, and I partially unscrew the sleeve on the 1/4 inch connector, then screw it back down tight with the wire pinched in between. This 1/4 plugs into the CV1 output on MCV4. On the other end of the 1/4 inch wire is a banana plug (I got a bundle of 1/4 to banana wires from Rex) and this is plugged into the 1 volt per octave on the NTO or PCO. Perfect tracking over the entire keyboard. Other modules dont track perfectly such as DSG and the right half of the TGO, and to some degree the left half of the TGO ( 4 octaves good )
> >
> > I hope that helps. :)
> >
> > later,
> > ben
> > ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hey ben,
> > > i just got a doepfer MCV4 to trigger my serge + euro rack stuff together and it's tracking poorly. can you inform further on the "grounding kit"?
> > >
> > > many thanks!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Serge land is easily conquered by the midi cv gate converter, its a snap to hook up the grounding kit (one wire) to the doepfer MCV4, from there, notes track perfectly (with NTO, PCO) and mod wheel can be anything you choose-- filter cutoff, wave multiplyer, LFO speed...
> > > >
> > > > If I may extrapolate from what you posted, I think the Mpc3000 would be lovely with a dual osc and creature and midi-cv converter. Why not the SKP? well because you really want the TKB (like me) and you should stick with that. The dual osc will track notes correctly with the midi-cv and it has a CV mixer witch is very useful for subtle modulation and feedback loops. It also has the �N which is good for "beats" and other weird patches...The creature is extremely powerful because it packs the most bang for the buck in the m-class, being both normal and completely strange...
> > > >
> > > > Then buy the TKB and you'll be ruling with a 16 step with 4 voltages OR a 64 step sequencer 1 voltage sequencer!!
> > > >
> > > > that's my take on it.
> > > >
> > > > later,
> > > > ben
> > > > ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "tbby_t" <tbby_t@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Howdy Serge-people:
> > > > >
> > > > > While I've been fascinated with these synths for a long long time, I've never touched one. Given a recent peek at the bank account, I'm thinking I may just go ahead and splurge on a panel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, to be fair, I'm probably not the synth-savviest; there's a busted crumar ds-2 in my living room, and I have spent a good couple years (quite some years ago) front-panel programming an oberheim matrix6r and a yamaha tx802 (which is to say i'm well acquainted with frustration, but have no real modular experience). I've really been much more sample-oriented (mpc3k and a pair of s900s), and have actually returned (atop this all) to playing guitar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Serge-wise, to say I'm fascinated by the TKB would be a vast understatement. Unfortunately, pairing it with say, an Animal panel... well... I'm not sure I can justify the expense at the moment. Plus I suspect the TKB would be somewhat underused in such a small system - but there's no way for me to really know without having spent some serious hours (days) with both.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I'm leaning toward an M-boat loaded with a Creature and either sequencer A or an SQP. Would the SQP be underutilized in this setting? Keep in mind that I can certainly figure out how to convert some midi from the mpc into cv/gate (I hope that doesn't offend you guys), but at the same time I'd like to not be forced to. I kind of like the idea of dual sequencing (externally from the midibox and natively). I suspect the sequencer A may be more interesting in this regard. Again though, I'm sure I won't fully understand these funtions until I've messed with them for a while.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if that was longish, but what do you guys think?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@...> wrote:
>
> hey hans,
>
> yeah, under one of the chassis screws works great for the ground... Also the sleeve (ring) on a jack, or interconnect cable is the ground too.
>
> You only have to ground one thing in the chain... If you use a Tr-606 to trigger a sequencer, grounding one of the wires works for both...
>
> later,
> ben
> ..
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Ben.
> info is very much appreciated.
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@> wrote:
> >
> > hey hans,
> >
> > yeah, under one of the chassis screws works great for the ground... Also the sleeve (ring) on a jack, or interconnect cable is the ground too.
> >
> > You only have to ground one thing in the chain... If you use a Tr-606 to trigger a sequencer, grounding one of the wires works for both...
> >
> > later,
> > ben
> > ..
> >
>

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Carlos <bushwick@...> wrote:

From: Carlos <bushwick@...>
Subject: [SergeModular] Re: MCV4 + serge
To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 5:47 PM

or you can get this (no power needed):

http://www.analogue haven.com/ makenoise/ formatjumbler/

and then you never have to worry about grounding and interfacing with other equipment ever again.

I have 2.

C.

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "hansgrusel" <hansgrusel@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Ben.
> info is very much appreciated.
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "b3nnysf" <b3nnysf@> wrote:
> >
> > hey hans,
> >
> > yeah, under one of the chassis screws works great for the ground... Also the sleeve (ring) on a jack, or interconnect cable is the ground too.
> >
> > You only have to ground one thing in the chain... If you use a Tr-606 to trigger a sequencer, grounding one of the wires works for both...
> >
> > later,
> > ben
> > ..
> >
>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:05 AM, <sprgroups@...> wrote:

> or the Metalbox patchpanels (if you have frac rack):
>
> http://www.metalbox.com/modules/patch.html

Surely the most elegant solution would be to incorporate this
function into the black centre panel in the M boats?

Steve

--
"War will end when people refuse to fight"
--Anonymous

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Jacob Recording Device <I.AM.USING.THE.INTERNETS@...> wrote:
>
> That would be great! Hell, if those black panels could also act as a system
> interface/grounding kit to work with Euro/Frac and MOTM format systems I
> would by that in an instant.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:05 AM, <sprgroups@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > or the Metalbox patchpanels (if you have frac rack):
> > >
> > > http://www.metalbox.com/modules/patch.html
> >
> > Surely the most elegant solution would be to incorporate this
> > function into the black centre panel in the M boats?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "War will end when people refuse to fight"
> --Anonymous
>