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WTB Serge TKB panel and CV1 panel or similar

WTB Serge TKB panel and CV1 panel or similar

2009-06-14 by lazichi

Hi Im Rastko and I am the new member.

I know that maybe all of you are on the Analogue Heaven list but I have to try ...

I would now like to purchase an TKB panel and one more panel with it .
The second one would be something similar to the CV1 shop panel.

If somebody has panels for sale please contact me.

rastko

buchla style modules

2009-06-14 by me t

Is it possible to install buchla modules into a serge system? Like an old 258 or 259 module or a 292 low pass gate? Or what about clones? What are the options? Can new 200e modules be installed? Thanks



Re: buchla style modules

2009-06-15 by sprgroups@o2.co.uk

> Is it possible to install buchla modules into a serge system?
> Like an old 258 or 259 module or a 292 low pass gate?


They have different power supply voltages.
Serge +/-12v
Buchla +/-15v, +5v and sometimes +24v





Steve

Re: buchla style modules

2009-06-15 by tbby_t

> > Is it possible to install buchla modules into a serge system?
> > Like an old 258 or 259 module or a 292 low pass gate?

Buchla oscillators are calibrated to track 1.2v/oct. - power supply differences (you couldn't load them into the same boat) and the fact that they use phone jacks for audio signals should be easily overcome. The scaling would be a little trickier if you're concerned about that sort of thing.

There's a MoTU Volta demo out there focusing on the ease with which you can scale the CV to drive Buchla oscs along with more common 1v/oct. devices.

buchla style modules

2009-06-16 by zaum

> Is it possible to install buchla modules into a serge system?

It depends what you mean, Physically put them in the same boat or
make a system with separate rows of each module and then patch them.

Serge really isn't a modular in the old school sense where you buy
and add modules one at a time to your rack... and as mentioned even
though their heights are both 4U, the power requirements and
connectors aren't the same.

BUT...

That shouldn't stop you entirely, Buchla currently offers a variety
of small boxes, racks and boats. Considering the price of the modules
(M-odules) I'd certainly not want to power either by some makeshift
means, not that that was necessarily your plan. If you can afford a
259 I'm sure you can afford to power it properly.

Buchla does use some different standards that Serge likely
encountered and decided not to use. As mentioned, Buchla is 1.2 v/
oct. It's not that bad to overcome it if Volta isn't your thing (and
volta only claims to semi work with Buchla, which is a whole other
topic as well as the 200e is partly but not exclusively designed to
work with MIDI). Anyway Buchla to Serge just means you need an
attenuator. (Can be built yourself, the second simplest module after
the multiples) and some time to scale it. Serge to Buchla needs a
mixer that can handle DC voltage - you know the kind on most
modulars. You mult your voltage and send one to a mixer pot wide open
and send a second to a mixer pot that's 20% open. A bit of adjustment
and you have 1.2 v/oct. If you want to deal with a MIDI keyboard and
not with Volta, 1.2v/oct is within the scaling range of some MIDI to
CV converters but not all, just ask the maker if it can scale 20% up
for 1.2v/oct.

Another complexity not mentioned is a Buchla gate is a 10v trigger
ORed with a 5v gate (OR meaning it's still 10v when combined). It's
possible to deal with that in a couple ways.

Another complexity is a lot of Buchla doesn't respond to negative
voltage.

Finally Buchla audio and CV are very different levels and aren't
freely combined like Serge decided to do. So you'd need to amplify or
attenuate your cross system audio.

Definitely not impossible but not "plug and play".

> Or what about clones?

It depends if you are talking about clones built to drop into a
Buchla system - obviously the same rules apply, or the DIY clones?
or the more or less clones meant to fit in other formats like Euro.

> What are the options? Can new 200e modules be installed?

The 200e modules have a data bus and send messages to each other. You
don't have to use it but then again it's a major innovation of the
200e (that's why there's an "e" in it and Buchla still makes two 200
series modules without the 200e feature set.

Buchla offers some quite decent options if you just want 2 or a
rack of 4 200e modules that will also power most 200 modules

Nick

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