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Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-10 by synpro@aol.com

Hi,

These are the three main modules that I have been thinking about but have not heard. My sound interest runs more toward non-pitched, atonal organic insect type sounds. I have the usual suspects in my system; wave mult, ring mod, wavesaper etc. So my question is; how useful is the Freq Shifter (not processing external sounds), what do people use the Wison Delay for (resonant flanging or delay) and how much does the Res EQ get used within a patch, again, not processing external sounds. Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks!

Andrew

Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-10 by Barry Michael

Andrew,
I have the shop panel called, I think, Soup Kitchen 1,
which has all the modules you mentioned in a single
panel. I don't use the freq. shifter much for external
sounds, although it does work great for that. It works
really great to alter the spectrum of a sound under
voltage control, in a different way than the
waveshapers do. I would think it would be very useful
for the types of sounds you describe. I use the Wilson
delay as much to delay control voltages as to delay
audio. It will do some twisted things that a lag
processor won't, such as multiple delays of a cv using
feedback, so that the cv regenerates without
retriggering. It takes some time to get the most out
of it, but what doesn't. The resonant EQ I use all the
time, in almost every patch. It is the best fine-
tuner for a sound in the whole Serge system IMO. The
bands are centered on very interesting frequencies. It
reminds me of the old White rotary pot EQs that I used
in the old days, except with subtle resonance in each
band. I don't use it so much for generating resonant
peaks, as I think it may have been intended.I would
love to see a version of it with VC of each bands
resonance, q width, etc. I use it more for the last
segment of the patch before output stage, to refine
the overall tonal characteristics of a sound. I will
probably add a second one to my system in future.To
tell you the truth, I really cannot imagine my system
Without these three modules. Seems like it would be
far less of a fully rounded system. HTH,
BarryM

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--- synpro@... wrote:

> Hi,
>
> These are the three main modules that I have been
> thinking about but have not heard. My sound interest
> runs more toward non-pitched, atonal organic insect
> type sounds. I have the usual suspects in my system;
> wave mult, ring mod, wavesaper etc. So my question
> is; how useful is the Freq Shifter (not processing
> external sounds), what do people use the Wison Delay
> for (resonant flanging or delay) and how much does
> the Res EQ get used within a patch, again, not
> processing external sounds. Any thoughts would be
> helpful. Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>

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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-10 by C. Whitten

Andrew,
You've mentioned two of the best Serge modules IMO (I don't have a WAD so
can't comment). There used to be audio files for the WAD and a Freq Shift on
the SMOG page I think.
All I can add to Barry's contribution is that for the price you might as
well go for at least one Res Eq. The FRS is expensive and I rarely use mine,
although when I do I always thank myself for buying it. The WAD is also
expensive (relative to most other Serge modules) which is why I haven't
bought one yet. If you were ever thinking of processing audio I would
strongly recommend the FRS and Res EQ. I put a guitar through the FRS during
a session yesterday and the guitarist was amazed at the results and played
all the better for it.
CW

Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-10 by Matt Wilson

"C. Whitten" wrote:

strongly recommend the FRS and Res EQ. I put a guitar through the FRS during
a session yesterday and the guitarist was amazed at the results and played
all the better for it.
CW

i had an old friend over who's currently the guitarist/singer in the so called "jerry garcia band" currently touring (they've
got melvin seals, jerry's keyboard player, so i guess they can get away with the name). he's quite good. i patched my telecaster into the
serge and he had a great time allowing me to experiment with his pickin'; he too really enjoyed the FRS, which lent subtle
(or not so subtle) clangorous tones to his sound, at times approaching steel drum territories. also neat was patching him
into the wave mult, then the pulse divider: BLAM! awesome monophonic leads from the bowels of hell!
despite his resume, he hasn't done much experimentation with the guitar (mostly traditional effects, if any at all), but
its always fun and educational to jam with a truly exceptional musician, particularly one who can appreciate the
serge.
matt

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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-10 by Barry Michael

CW,
Since you are using the FreqShft, I was wondering if
you had much experience trying to "divide down"
frequencies with it. I'm looking for a way to get
really low, really pure tones out of the Serge, sort
of like borderline sub-bass stuff. The low end of the
sine wavws on both osc. types just don't go low enough
before they fall apart into seperate cycle type
activity. From this I deduced that I would have to
produce harmonics lower than my fundamental tone.I've
tried using the pulse divider in the audio domain but
did not have much luck. Rex described to me a method
of using the USG as an audio processor, and seemed to
think that would do the trick, but I still didn't have
any luck.
Given the problem of trying to produce sub-bass tones,
and having to use something other than the Osc. for
the lower harmonics, how would you approach the
problem. Any body else out there who has any ideas
please feel free to chime in.
Thanks,
BarryM

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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-11 by John Papiewski

I don't know if this'll help, but the VCFQ has a high-low switch, where high is
normal audio.... low frequencies on the low range are extremely low (the ranges
overlap around 20hz). You can cause earthquakes with this module, I'm not
kidding. The combination of wide voltage swings, pure sinusoid output (when
patched to do feedback and Q'd set right) are gut-wrenching sub-bass. Be
careful with this one!

I'm surprised you couldn't do this with the PCO....

John P.

Barry Michael wrote:

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> CW,
> Since you are using the FreqShft, I was wondering if
> you had much experience trying to "divide down"
> frequencies with it. I'm looking for a way to get
> really low, really pure tones out of the Serge, sort
> of like borderline sub-bass stuff. The low end of the
> sine wavws on both osc. types just don't go low enough
> before they fall apart into seperate cycle type
> activity. From this I deduced that I would have to
> produce harmonics lower than my fundamental tone.I've
> tried using the pulse divider in the audio domain but
> did not have much luck. Rex described to me a method
> of using the USG as an audio processor, and seemed to
> think that would do the trick, but I still didn't have
> any luck.
> Given the problem of trying to produce sub-bass tones,
> and having to use something other than the Osc. for
> the lower harmonics, how would you approach the
> problem. Any body else out there who has any ideas
> please feel free to chime in.
> Thanks,
> BarryM
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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-11 by C. Whitten

> I was wondering if
> you had much experience trying to "divide down"
> frequencies with it.

In a word no.

> The low end of the
> sine wavws on both osc. types just don't go low enough
> before they fall apart into seperate cycle type
> activity.

From my limited experience that's what happens on the FRS.
Oscillator 1 on the Fenix has 2 sub octaves available, so if I'm looking for
sub base I usually go there. As John P. says you can get some thunderous
booms from triggering the extended range filter. I'm sure you can get pretty
low through the FRS but you do get some other harmonics and I have heard
fluttering frequency type sounds when tuning it very low myself.
CW

Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-11 by Barry Michael

C.W.,
Thanks for the reply. Too bad there aren't any more
Fenixes around. I wonder if the Wiard has any
facilities that might make this sort of thing easier?
BarryM

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--- "C. Whitten" <chris@...> wrote:

> Oscillator 1 on the Fenix has 2 sub octaves
> available, so if I'm looking for
> sub base I usually go there. As John P. says you can
> get some thunderous
> booms from triggering the extended range filter. I'm
> sure you can get pretty
> low through the FRS but you do get some other
> harmonics and I have heard
> fluttering frequency type sounds when tuning it very
> low myself.
> CW
>
>

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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-11 by medejd@ttuhsc.edu

In regards to the resonant equalizer (or any of the other modules of
the legendary and prohibitely expensive "Soup Kitchen"): we have
other, less expensive and more quickly available alternatives from
other companies. This question is for the more technically savvi
forum readers: would the Doepfer fixed filter bank (A-128) alone or
in combination with the formant filter (A-104) be adequate
alternatives to the resonant EQ? And what about the AS Bode-like
freq. shifter? And hey, there's the Blacet Time Machine analog delay!
The point is, trying to come up wih more sensible and financially
sane alternatives. Don't get me wrong; I love my Serge system ( I
have a 3-panel rig, including an Animal, a custom panel with an extra
NTO, a WS, a mixer, a variable slope filter, a DSG and 2 ADSR, and a
TKB), but for the sake of practicality, less expensive and more
quickly available options need to be explored, without (of course!)
sacrificing quality.

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Re: Freq Shifter, Wilson Delay, Res Eq: Opinions...

2001-09-12 by C. Whitten

> This question is for the more technically savvi
> forum readers: would the Doepfer fixed filter bank (A-128) alone or
> in combination with the formant filter (A-104) be adequate
> alternatives to the resonant EQ? And what about the AS Bode-like
> freq. shifter?

Firstly I'm not technically savvy but have a bit of hands on experience in
this area. The A-128 is a far cry from the Serge Resonant Eq. I haven't seen
anything similar to the Res Eq and that includes some other vintage filter
banks. The closest thing I can compare it to would be some kind of radical
desk Eq. The kind of sounds easily achievable would be akin to the OTT
treatments often heard on dub reggae mixes. I haven't yet tried it in line
on a synth patch as Barry outlined.
The AS Bode FRS has got some quite different controls to the Serge FRS. It
may in fact sound quite similar...the jury is out until someone can compare
them. It is promoted as an exact replica of the Bode and priced at around
£500.
CW

Re: Serge System for Sale

2001-09-13 by Barry Michael

Guys, I know I said I'd Never do it, but I have been
doing a lot of commercial work in my studio lately,
and I have a real need to expand into the direction
from which the money is coming - namely 5.1 soundtrack
for film. The most expensive single piece of equipment
in the studio is my Serge. While I seriously do like
like the idea at all of parting with it, I need to buy
some other equipment badly. Therefore :>( ...

I am offering a 7-panel Serge/STS of a little over two
yrs. age, pristine condition, one owner, smokeless
environment. System consists of two SKB tilt up racks
w/ 3-panels each, and a TKB. You can see the system in
a color graphic on the Serge files area. I believe
there may still be a photo or two of the system there
as well. I will check to make sure and post one if
there is not. I am asking 15,000.00 firm, and will not
break the system up. With the system, for the one
price, is included a PS, an Encore Expressionist
8-channel midi>cv converter, 150 Banana patch cords of
varying length, 16 6-foot 1/4" to banana cables, a
grounding kit, the Gold manual, custom patch panel
graphics in hard copy and electronic format, and all
the additional documentation and correspondence
connected with the system. The system is available
immediately, and only serious buyers should respond,
unless of course it is to offer your condolences.
Follows a panel description:
SKB 1
Panel 1 (Blue Fun Station)
NTO
PCO (2)
Ring Mod.
Wave Mult.
Mixer (2x3)
Var. Q VCF
UAP

Panel 2 (Red Fun Station)
NTO
PCO
N Comp
Pulse Div.
Triple Wvshpr.
Mixer (2x3)
X-Fader
Var. Q VCF
UAP

Panel 3 (TKB Quantizer panel)
Quant. TKB
DASR
DTG
Random Source
SSG
CV Mixer
DUSG
Ext. ADSR

SKB 2
Panel 1 (Soup Kitchen 1)
Preamp Detector
Freq. Shifter
C/M
WAD
Mixer (3x1)
Var. Slope VCF
Resonant EQ
Dual Phase Shifter
Dual Chan. St. Mixer

Panel 2 (processing panel)
Random Source
SSG
DTG
Dual Proc.
DUSG (2)
Quad. Osc.

Panel 3 (Sequencer panel)
Sequencer (8x2)
ASR
Active Proc.
DTG
Pulse Divider
Boolean Logic
4 Stage Seq. Programmer

Panel 7
TKB

Thanks, BarryM

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