Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hi list,

as moderator of an active list I was invited to chat online with the 
yahoogroups staff. Keep your fingers crossed, I hope to sort out the 
annoying business of the missing group owner.
If this works out I can get to pre-approve all new posts and we won't 
have the problems with spam any longer.

Also, I kicked out all with "bounce" pre-dating 2007. This will result 
in a drop in member figures but it's just to make things smoother. If 
you suddenly cannot post it might be a glitsch in the system and you'll 
need to re-join.

OK, even when talking to a real person at the yahoo end there is no 
solution. What a bunch of clowns. If you're interested in what I said 
and the stupid answers, you'll find them below. I at least did my best...

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Aimee: We have not heard from you. Do you wish to continue the chat?

jesper: Hi, I'm the moderator of Simmons_drums and we have no owner.

Aimee: I understand that you have inquiries regarding claiming the 
ownership of the group.

Aimee: Is that right?

jesper: Yes, Scott, the original group owner, is lost and noone has 
heard from him. This makes us an easy target for spammers since I cannot 
check new members postings.

Aimee: Thank you for the information.

Aimee: May I have the name of the Yahoo! groups account you are having 
issues with?

jesper: Do you mean the address, or the full name?

jesper: Or the owner?

Aimee: No, just the name of the group.

jesper: Simmons_Drums

Aimee: Thank you.

Aimee: And the Yahoo! ID associated with it is?

jesper: simplyanalogue

Aimee: Thank you.

Aimee: I apologize for any inconveniences this has caused you.

Aimee: Have you tried contacting the owner?

jesper: if you mean _me_ - the owner is scott_casiotone

jesper: Yes, I've mailed Scott, googled the net for him and asked the 
list for off-list contacts without results.

Aimee: Thank you for the information.

Aimee: However, we cannot assign a new owner for the group.

jesper: May I ask why?

Aimee: We are not allowed to do that in our end, Jesper.

jesper: So there is no solution to our problem? Scott might be dead for 
all I know.

Aimee: Regarding this issue of changing group owner, we highly recommend 
that you create a new group and invite the same members.

Aimee: With regard to the spam issues, you can always report it to our 
Abuse Team.

jesper: I've thought about that, but that would mean loosing the entire 
message archive and other old resources.

jesper: I kick out spammers on a weekly basis, it's no huge problem. Not 
yet...

Aimee: I apologize for the inconveniences this has caused you.

jesper: I know the members can appoint new moderators, I thought you 
ought to come up with a similar solution to this problem.

Aimee: No, the owners of the group has the sole privilege to appoint 
group owners/moderators.

jesper: I know - I just think it's strange that a functional group 
without an active owner needs to suffer by not having the possibility of 
scanning new members etc.

Aimee: I apologize but the group owner has failed to give you that 
privilege.

jesper: I bet a lot of questions to you concerns this problem. There 
ought to be a better solution than just creating a new groups...

Aimee: I sincerely apologize for this issue.

Aimee: Rest assured that we are doing our best to serve you better.

jesper: But OK... pass the request on and I'll sign off now. A bit 
disappointed I must say...

Aimee: I will take note of that.

Aimee: Would that be all?

jesper: That'd be all.

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