Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hey Roland I think we had this discussion previously... ;- )
I don't agree with that thoughts but I respect your experience.

I think for someone who has some wrist fatigue , it's obvious that you  
have to avoid to play any Simmons pad &even any electronic drums pads  
except Mesheads ones...

What you're forgetting mentionning all the hard surfaces like IceBell  
cymbals etc ... They are vibrating & absorbing some of the  
energy ...the SDSV pads are not at all !
all the energy comes back to you....even when using some motions  
techniques ...when your wrist (tendons) have been hurt its too late ,  
as soon as you will start again the injury will remind to you .
I needed several years to practice again in that way taking the risk  
to play  for a few minutes SImmons pads.
(that's what I experimented now ...it might be different for  
someonelse.)

I used to play in that 4 or 5 hours gigs (60 dates) with Tama & Roland  
pads... I think  the problem came from that intensive practice ...
So With Simmons pads I would never have held on 10 dates.


But if you can deal with the SDSV pads no offence really ! ;- )  you  
are one of the rare human being who can ... So it's pretty positive ;- )

Given that the fact is I love all the SImmons pad look ! but I'm not  
keen to play them anymore.

It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
anyone else  ?

hope that helps,
Patriec.




Le 10 déc. 08 à 04:49, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :

> What a great discussion !!!
>
> I think if you really give this some serious thought Sander, you  
> will realise that the angle in which you strike something has more  
> than "little to do" with technique as far as fatigue goes. I'm not  
> trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way the human bone and  
> muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something not to be  
> ignored. There's actually a drum stick manufacturer ( doctor ) that  
> rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect the way one's  
> hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with regards to all of  
> this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up your toms at 45  
> degrees each and observe what happens to you over time.
>
> Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to be with the  
> SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you are describing  
> here. That is unless there's something I'm not understanding. The  
> 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do not. If wrist fatigue  
> is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better alternative  
> ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much better mounts to  
> boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the v's, but only for toms  
> since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often you strike them.  
> Also, the reality with the v's is their strength and power is in the  
> sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!!
>
> There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are hard, but then again so  
> are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells, wood blocks,  
> stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you stated, they  
> ( v's ) probably just aren't for you.
>
> Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for those 7's, you  
> may want to consider contacting this seller for shipping  
> arrangements. It might still be worth your while if you really want  
> them.
>
> Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider buying these 7's  
> and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what you have please  
> as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm currently busy  
> beyond belief.
>
> Peace,
>
> - Roland
>
>
> It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
> its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums sends back  
> into your stick through to your wrist which cannot be absorbed  
> aswell when
> playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
> I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for meny  
> drummers ,
> including bill bruford !
> on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are the loud chick  
> sounds ,
> I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p
> Thank you for the link Roland !
> unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great...
> hope to bump into this kit one day = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related 
>  =p
>
> Sander
>
>
> - Roland
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