Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hi Kiko and welcome!

> 1. Has all the manuals for the SDS9 impolded? Or has anyone actually
> seen one? Or are they just as mythical as unicorns?

I haven't seen one, but I've seen copies for sale so they aren't unicorns.
Simmons manuals tends to be hard to find. My personal theory (just mine, and
yes, it's OK to hit me!) is that many drummers are a-holes that cannot find
their ass in the dark and therefor cannot keep track of a manual either.
Especially since Simmons stuff aren't "real" instruments in their point of
view. (once again - my theory!).
I buy some gear and the worst and most battered units I've seen around have
always been drum units and not just the pads, the whole brain too... Why?
See above! ;)

> 2. When I try to control the SDS9 brain via mide through Cubase SX
> all hell breaks loose.

Not to be a smart ass... But have you connected midi out to midi in and not
to some other weird point like simmons non-standard selector pad inputs or
similar. I'm not familiar with the SDS-9, so these are just guesses...
And, do you know if the SDS-9 accepts specific channels or just omni mode?
If you run a song or so I can guess that would result in hell breaking
loose...

> It starts to all the sounds at once in a
> steady beat (much like a machinegun really). Any suggestions of what
> I'm doing wrong?

Oups, can it be some kind of sync input? Any idea of the speed of the
"machine gun"?

> I don't know if I can do this at all since I have no
> manual to turn to.
>
> So... Anyone who has ever managed to do this stund please drop me a
> line.

Well, for what it's worth - see above...

electronically yours, jesper
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> > 2. When I try to control the SDS9 brain via mide through Cubase SX
> > all hell breaks loose.
> 
> Not to be a smart ass... But have you connected midi out to midi in 
and not
> to some other weird point like simmons non-standard selector pad 
inputs or
> similar. I'm not familiar with the SDS-9, so these are just 
guesses...

It's regular midi out to midi in. More or less... Since the SDS) has 
two midi ins. One is caller Midi in (tape dump/load) and the other is 
called sequenser in. Tape dump/load gives me no response at all and 
Sequenser in gives me the "machinegun", plus a strange tone that is 
very annoying. This cavalcade of sounds emerges as soon as I put a 
midicabel in the plug.

> And, do you know if the SDS-9 accepts specific channels or just 
omni mode?

I've tried to send midimessages on all channels including omni.

> If you run a song or so I can guess that would result in hell 
breaking
> loose...
> 
> > It starts to all the sounds at once in a
> > steady beat (much like a machinegun really). Any suggestions of 
what
> > I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Oups, can it be some kind of sync input? Any idea of the speed of 
the
> "machine gun"?

Might be some sort of syncsignal, I have no idea...

> 
> > I don't know if I can do this at all since I have no
> > manual to turn to.
> >
> > So... Anyone who has ever managed to do this stund please drop me 
a
> > line.
> 
> Well, for what it's worth - see above...


Thanks a lot for your help so far...

Vi hörs,

Kiko

HI KIKO, 
& Welcome !

Do you know MARK GLINSKY Website ; "the manor"...in US .
He's selling copies of Simmons' manuals .
You should find a SDS9 one there !

I think you need to adjust the Midi setting IN (!) the SDS9 , (So you 
need the manual to know how do it)...
Or you might try to reinitialise the unit .
(You also need the manual).
Unless your SDS9 midi connection has a problem ...

I think I've got a SDS9 manual butI'm not sure, let me know if you 
can't find any , I will try to find mine...But Mark Glinsky is 
definitely The way for that ! 

Anyway Good Luck ! 
Patrice.










--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Kiko" <dr.k@o...> wrote:
>  
> > > 2. When I try to control the SDS9 brain via mide through Cubase 
SX
> > > all hell breaks loose.
> > 
> > Not to be a smart ass... But have you connected midi out to midi 
in 
> and not
> > to some other weird point like simmons non-standard selector pad 
> inputs or
> > similar. I'm not familiar with the SDS-9, so these are just 
> guesses...
> 
> It's regular midi out to midi in. More or less... Since the SDS) 
has 
> two midi ins. One is caller Midi in (tape dump/load) and the other 
is 
> called sequenser in. Tape dump/load gives me no response at all and 
> Sequenser in gives me the "machinegun", plus a strange tone that is 
> very annoying. This cavalcade of sounds emerges as soon as I put a 
> midicabel in the plug.
> 
> > And, do you know if the SDS-9 accepts specific channels or just 
> omni mode?
> 
> I've tried to send midimessages on all channels including omni.
> 
> > If you run a song or so I can guess that would result in hell 
> breaking
> > loose...
> > 
> > > It starts to all the sounds at once in a
> > > steady beat (much like a machinegun really). Any suggestions of 
> what
> > > I'm doing wrong?
> > 
> > Oups, can it be some kind of sync input? Any idea of the speed of 
> the
> > "machine gun"?
> 
> Might be some sort of syncsignal, I have no idea...
> 
> > 
> > > I don't know if I can do this at all since I have no
> > > manual to turn to.
> > >
> > > So... Anyone who has ever managed to do this stund please drop 
me 

> a
> > > line.
> > 
> > Well, for what it's worth - see above...
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help so far...
> 
> Vi hörs,
> 
> Kiko

Thank you for the warm wellcome and thanks for the tips. I'll check 
it out asap.

Cheers,

Kiko

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "angeyoda" 
<Patrice.Jacquot@l...> wrote:
> HI KIKO, 
> & Welcome !
> 
> Do you know MARK GLINSKY Website ; "the manor"...in US .
> He's selling copies of Simmons' manuals .
> You should find a SDS9 one there !
> 
> I think you need to adjust the Midi setting IN (!) the SDS9 , (So 
you 
> need the manual to know how do it)...
> Or you might try to reinitialise the unit .
> (You also need the manual).
> Unless your SDS9 midi connection has a problem ...
> 
> I think I've got a SDS9 manual butI'm not sure, let me know if you 
> can't find any , I will try to find mine...But Mark Glinsky is 
> definitely The way for that ! 
> 
> Anyway Good Luck ! 
> Patrice.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Kiko" <dr.k@o...> wrote:
> >  
> > > > 2. When I try to control the SDS9 brain via mide through 
Cubase 
> SX
> > > > all hell breaks loose.
> > > 
> > > Not to be a smart ass... But have you connected midi out to 
midi 
> in 
> > and not
> > > to some other weird point like simmons non-standard selector 
pad 
> > inputs or
> > > similar. I'm not familiar with the SDS-9, so these are just 
> > guesses...
> > 
> > It's regular midi out to midi in. More or less... Since the SDS) 
> has 
> > two midi ins. One is caller Midi in (tape dump/load) and the 
other 
> is 
> > called sequenser in. Tape dump/load gives me no response at all 
and 
> > Sequenser in gives me the "machinegun", plus a strange tone that 
is 
> > very annoying. This cavalcade of sounds emerges as soon as I put 
a 
> > midicabel in the plug.
> > 
> > > And, do you know if the SDS-9 accepts specific channels or just 
> > omni mode?
> > 
> > I've tried to send midimessages on all channels including omni.
> > 
> > > If you run a song or so I can guess that would result in hell 
> > breaking
> > > loose...
> > > 
> > > > It starts to all the sounds at once in a
> > > > steady beat (much like a machinegun really). Any suggestions 
of 
> > what
> > > > I'm doing wrong?
> > > 
> > > Oups, can it be some kind of sync input? Any idea of the speed 
of 
> > the
> > > "machine gun"?
> > 
> > Might be some sort of syncsignal, I have no idea...
> > 
> > > 
> > > > I don't know if I can do this at all since I have no
> > > > manual to turn to.
> > > >
> > > > So... Anyone who has ever managed to do this stund please 
drop 

> me 
> > a
> > > > line.
> > > 
> > > Well, for what it's worth - see above...
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks a lot for your help so far...
> > 
> > Vi hörs,
> > 
> > Kiko