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SDSV HELP NEEDED!

SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-02 by xorsister

Hello friends!
We're finally get ourselves a brilliant piece of equipment, called... SDSV!
With full set of custom sunset painted pads as well as brain with BD, SD, 3 TOMS and DIGITAL HH..
Serial number 550 and it was used by Duran-Duran. :)
That's the good news!

Then - the bad news.
I already two times serviced it by the skilled man, (who work on Waves now, hardware)
but he seems to not be able to solve all the problems.
The unit overall is in "so-so" condition.
Bass drum works well.
1. Snare - from time to time, getting stuck on a factory sound, after some time being "on" - it let me switch through the modes, but some times getting back on factory sound..

2. Toms sounds... emm.. different! I cant make the similar sounds on them, even if the knobs seems 100% similar! High tom has shorter and sharper decay, Mid tom seems to be as it should be, the low tom sounds dull, noise too closed, and there's no way to open it :(

3. Hihat - is a weird one 3 knobs not working (even the small screws on 3 & 4) - so i think it's something inside.. It sounds too quiet (3-4 times quieter than other sounds), decay is too long also (despite the somehow working knob!)..

4.Hihat pedal seems to not working at all...

Also, are the all XLR's has a standard pinout on SDSV? Or something special needed?

Any help will be very appreciated!!!
XOR

Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-03 by Michael Buchner

1. This is a well known problem of an aged 4013: A 100k resistor will do the job (pulldown).
2. There are some controls inside, normally not for users. May be they are not set equal. There was not "the" sound, different modules sometimes had different parts. If the 4016 bilateral switches are not working right, the CVs for f.e. the filter will not appear and you will not be able to change the cutoff.
3. Defect 4016s as well
4. Do you have the original pedal?
The pinout was: Pad 2+, Output 3+, Hihat 3=15V, 2=decay kill/trig. 1 is always GND.

If you want to make me a little richer and save your time, send it to me, I'll do the job.
Michael

  1. Snare - from time to time, getting stuck on a factory sound, after some time being "on" - it let me switch through the modes, but some times 2. Toms sounds... emm.. different! I cant make the similar sounds on them, even if the knobs seems 100% similar! High tom has shorter and sharper decay, Mid tom seems to be as it should be, the low tom sounds dull, noise too closed, and there's no way to open it :(

  3. Hihat - is a weird one 3 knobs not working (even the small screws on 3 & 4) - so i think it's something inside.. It sounds too quiet (3-4 times quieter than other sounds), decay is too long also (despite the somehow working knob!)..

  4.Hihat pedal seems to not working at all...

  Also, are the all XLR's has a standard pinout on SDSV? Or something special needed?

  Any help will be very appreciated!!!
  XOR


  

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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-03 by Ed

Sweet score! Sorry to hear it has problems.

Given how much is wrong with it, I would recommend sending it to Michael. He knows Simmons stuff inside and out.

Best of luck!
Ed

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
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> 1. This is a well known problem of an aged 4013: A 100k resistor will do the job (pulldown).
> 2. There are some controls inside, normally not for users. May be they are not set equal. There was not "the" sound, different modules sometimes had different parts. If the 4016 bilateral switches are not working right, the CVs for f.e. the filter will not appear and you will not be able to change the cutoff.
> 3. Defect 4016s as well
> 4. Do you have the original pedal?
> The pinout was: Pad 2+, Output 3+, Hihat 3=15V, 2=decay kill/trig. 1 is always GND.
> 
> If you want to make me a little richer and save your time, send it to me, I'll do the job.
> Michael
> 
>   1. Snare - from time to time, getting stuck on a factory sound, after some time being "on" - it let me switch through the modes, but some times 2. Toms sounds... emm.. different! I cant make the similar sounds on them, even if the knobs seems 100% similar! High tom has shorter and sharper decay, Mid tom seems to be as it should be, the low tom sounds dull, noise too closed, and there's no way to open it :(
> 
>   3. Hihat - is a weird one 3 knobs not working (even the small screws on 3 & 4) - so i think it's something inside.. It sounds too quiet (3-4 times quieter than other sounds), decay is too long also (despite the somehow working knob!)..
> 
>   4.Hihat pedal seems to not working at all...
> 
>   Also, are the all XLR's has a standard pinout on SDSV? Or something special needed?
> 
>   Any help will be very appreciated!!!
>   XOR
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-03 by xorsister

Hello again!
Good news, everyone, i was 3rd time in a service today (not seeing your answer, Michael, though..) and we somehow get toms fixed..
Guy, who doing it was so tired - so he don't want to deal with it anymore, saying like "do what you want with this crap, drunk british made somewhere in the garage!!"... :(
So, thank so much for the suggestions, Michael, i will contact you shortly by email, ok?

All the best, and thanks for keeping hexagonal community alive!!
XOR

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
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>
> 1. This is a well known problem of an aged 4013: A 100k resistor will do the job (pulldown).
> 2. There are some controls inside, normally not for users. May be they are not set equal. There was not "the" sound, different modules sometimes had different parts. If the 4016 bilateral switches are not working right, the CVs for f.e. the filter will not appear and you will not be able to change the cutoff.
> 3. Defect 4016s as well
> 4. Do you have the original pedal?
> The pinout was: Pad 2+, Output 3+, Hihat 3=15V, 2=decay kill/trig. 1 is always GND.
> 
> If you want to make me a little richer and save your time, send it to me, I'll do the job.
> Michael
> 
>   1. Snare - from time to time, getting stuck on a factory sound, after some time being "on" - it let me switch through the modes, but some times 2. Toms sounds... emm.. different! I cant make the similar sounds on them, even if the knobs seems 100% similar! High tom has shorter and sharper decay, Mid tom seems to be as it should be, the low tom sounds dull, noise too closed, and there's no way to open it :(
> 
>   3. Hihat - is a weird one 3 knobs not working (even the small screws on 3 & 4) - so i think it's something inside.. It sounds too quiet (3-4 times quieter than other sounds), decay is too long also (despite the somehow working knob!)..
> 
>   4.Hihat pedal seems to not working at all...
> 
>   Also, are the all XLR's has a standard pinout on SDSV? Or something special needed?
> 
>   Any help will be very appreciated!!!
>   XOR
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-04 by Roland Brenner

Let's see some pics of the rig !! You can post them on the SED Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Simmons-Electronic-Drums/50519027172  - Roland
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From: "xorsister" <delon.alien@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:06:36 -0000


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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-04 by Michael Buchner

For some people it's crap made by drunk british in a garage. For others it's the crownjewels.
Kill the guy ;-)
Michael
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: xorsister 
  To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 11:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!


    
  Hello again!
  Good news, everyone, i was 3rd time in a service today (not seeing your answer, Michael, though..) and we somehow get toms fixed..
  Guy, who doing it was so tired - so he don't want to deal with it anymore, saying like "do what you want with this crap, drunk british made somewhere in the garage!!"... :(
  So, thank so much for the suggestions, Michael, i will contact you shortly by email, ok?

  All the best, and thanks for keeping hexagonal community alive!!
  XOR

  --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Buchner" <buchnerelectronics@...> wrote:
  >
  > 1. This is a well known problem of an aged 4013: A 100k resistor will do the job (pulldown).
  > 2. There are some controls inside, normally not for users. May be they are not set equal. There was not "the" sound, different modules sometimes had different parts. If the 4016 bilateral switches are not working right, the CVs for f.e. the filter will not appear and you will not be able to change the cutoff.
  > 3. Defect 4016s as well
  > 4. Do you have the original pedal?
  > The pinout was: Pad 2+, Output 3+, Hihat 3=15V, 2=decay kill/trig. 1 is always GND.
  > 
  > If you want to make me a little richer and save your time, send it to me, I'll do the job.
  > Michael
  > 
  > 1. Snare - from time to time, getting stuck on a factory sound, after some time being "on" - it let me switch through the modes, but some times 2. Toms sounds... emm.. different! I cant make the similar sounds on them, even if the knobs seems 100% similar! High tom has shorter and sharper decay, Mid tom seems to be as it should be, the low tom sounds dull, noise too closed, and there's no way to open it :(
  > 
  > 3. Hihat - is a weird one 3 knobs not working (even the small screws on 3 & 4) - so i think it's something inside.. It sounds too quiet (3-4 times quieter than other sounds), decay is too long also (despite the somehow working knob!)..
  > 
  > 4.Hihat pedal seems to not working at all...
  > 
  > Also, are the all XLR's has a standard pinout on SDSV? Or something special needed?
  > 
  > Any help will be very appreciated!!!
  > XOR
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  >



  

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Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-04 by jesper

Michael Buchner skrev 2011-01-04 18:34:
> For some people it's crap made by drunk british in a garage. For others
> it's the crownjewels.
> Kill the guy ;-)

This list is for people that love crap made in garages by drunken Brits!
(though he's wrong, the EDP synths was made in a green-house) :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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www.electronic-obsession.se

Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV HELP NEEDED!

2011-01-04 by Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr

I have to admit that serious technicians that I knew servicing Simmons had all the same reactions.
I know the one who serviced them for 10 years for the french distributor, He`s just hating Simmons.
It`s true that it`s not always seriously built unfortunetaly & stays quite unfinished or messy things.
We can understand that that guys dont have a clue of the sound it gives as they won`t use it. They`re just facing difficulties that isn`t happening with FAIRLIGHT EMU ROLAND etc ...& shouldn`t happen with some commercialised gear. 

I love Simmons creations but I know what a pain it is to repair... :(
Not as serious as it should have been.
it definitely needs some work to meet the professional world & reach the crown jewels quality it deserves to be.

Anyway, we know that for long now ... Happy New Year.


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Michael Buchner skrev 2011-01-04 18:34: 
> For some people it's crap made by drunk british in a garage. For others 
> it's the crownjewels. 
> Kill the guy ;-) 

This list is for people that love crap made in garages by drunken Brits! 
(though he's wrong, the EDP synths was made in a green-house) :D 

-- 
electronically yours, jesper 

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