The Cyndustries List

The following sounds probably a bit stronger than I intended for it
too.  I tried to reread it several times.  Try and not got too hard on
me if I am way off base.

> >The VALUE of this module just plummeted!
>
> Why are "Buchla, ModuSonics and Cirocco not included"? That's
> arbitrary. (And you sort of forgot Modcan -- nothing cheap, there.)
> Nobody else offers a VCO like the ZO, so how can you compare its
> price to anything else? The ZO is a premium product.

Not arbitrary--although not very scientific either.  Look at their
sales and prices.  Modcan is definitely NOT in the same league
cost-wise (thank goodness!) and sales-wise as Buchla!  Compare the
price lists.  I know lots of folks with Modcans; I don't know any one
who has bought a new Buchla, ModuSonics or Cirocco (although I know
that people have).  I have never heard any one call Modcan expensive
before.  Interesting.

> Cynthia certainly didn't assign a random price to the ZO. If she
> could make a profit by selling them for $300, don't you think that
> she would do so? She'd be retarded not to realize that $1000 is an
> obstacle to ownership for most synthesists. The new pricing likely
> reflects some expensive lesson learned from making the first batches
> of ZOs as well as some cost increases; though I could easily be
> wrong, I doubt that Analogue Haven markup is the sole reason for it.

I never said anything about arbitrary.  I am sure she calculated, now
that the initial surge of orders has subsided and she realizes how
much work it is, that she can make about the same money (with less
frustration) by selling less modules at a higher price.  She is one of
the few who state selling modular synthesizers as being their primary
business.

> Affordability and value are not synonymous. The value of the ZO
> remains what it was. I don't have the budget for them, either -- but
> I didn't have $650 or $800 for them, either! I'd still love to have a pair.

I totally agree that affordability and value are not synonymous.
Value can be defined as the ratio of functionality (usefulness, etc.)
to cost (price).  While the functionality remains the same, the price
has increased significantly.  Thus the value is lower that a week ago.
 I am sure you can find another definition of value to contradict this
though.  Affordability and cost are also not synonymous.
Affordability is relative to an individual based on things like their
disposable income (assuming that this a hobby--the definition would be
different if something is used directly for a business purpose).  I
think that you would agree that for someone that has three kids and
makes $8.50 an hour, it is much less affordable than for someone like
Bill Gates.

Well, this is just debate.  The bottom line is that the ZO costs quite
a bit more than it did before and most of us here wouldn't be
considered rich by almost any definition.

peace out
nurbs