Akai S1000 / S1100 samplers

hi, 

Sorry for the confusion.  Mostly I'm just worried 
about changing the SCSI ID of the internal drive
(to #4 let's say) so that the ZIP is seen (at #5).

I've heard of bad things happening (data loss) 
after changing IDs with other machines.  But
according to your posts, there's no risk on the
S1100.  If that's true, I'll likely try it.

I appreciate the help guys; I think I understand
the issue around singular SCSI devices being seen:
It's initially just tedious, and not impossible 
to have other devices daisy chained.

Also, I don't have a S1100 manual so I'm learning
as I go... (not so with my other units).  so again,
thanks for the help.


Thanks

--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "formals777" 
<frank.govaerts@p...> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to make it clear: I was just saying what we all know: the S1100
> recognizes only one external scsi device at a time. That means that 
if
> you have a zip drive and a HD, at the same time, that you must 
switch
> between their scsi id's in the s1100's menu all the time.
> It has nothing to do with the fact that scsi works with a daisy 
chain,
> but just because the operating system doesnt keep a list with
> available media in its memory. My mpc2000XL for example doesnt have
> that problem: whenever you want to save or load a file, you select a
> scsi channel, or just a device when it was already used before. In 
the
> s1100 on the contrary, you need to change the settings all the time.
>  
> I hope we can close that discussion - there is already too much told
> here about scsi. 
>  
> Rgds,
> 
> Frank
> 
> --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "aneurysmhook"
> <aneurysmhook@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Glad that worked well for you. I have the same type scsi zip 
drive 
> > where the ID can only be set to 5 or 6. The S1100 will default 
it's 
> > SCSI setting to being #6 and the target drive #5 every powerup. 
That 
> > being said the OS would not load from the HD immediately if you 
are 
> > able to change the internal HD's ID, but it works just the same 
from 
> > a zip.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what is meant by only 1 external SCSI ID being 
allowed. 
> > You can daisy chain several devices like a Zip drive then a CD-
rom 
> > drive, or a chain of several HDs, etc. As long as each device can 
> > have it's own ID (I think you're out of luck on the zip drive) 
All 
> > you need to do is tell the Akai which ID# is the current target 
> > drive. Of course you can't access more than 1 drive concurrently, 
but 
> > that's the way any scsi daisy chain works. I hope I didn't 
> > misunderstand what you meant.
> > 
> > As far as the internal HD. I hope it goes without saying that if 
you 
> > do open your machine use the PARK function to park the HD read 
heads 
> > to avoid any damage while even moving the Akai. 
> > 
> > --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "tbiggz" 
> > <infarmah@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > The SCSI Zip has a switch to select SCSI #5 or #6.  Since both 
IDs 
> > > are taken (By the S1100 and it's internal HD), there is no left 
> > over 
> > > option.  I'll have to see if the SCSI zip can use other IDs 
also.
> > > 
> > > I didn't know only one external SCSI ID was allowed. That seems 
a 
> > > strange restriction; The EIII from 1988 has an internal HD and 
> > takes 
> > > an external zip just fine.  But anyway, I've got enough reason 
to 
> > > give the zip drive a rest.
> > > 
> > > as for the internal hd, since it came with the machine already, 
I 
> > > have no idea what type it is.  When I have time to open it up, 
I'll 
> > > check... Can I check the make/model without disturbing the 
drive?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "formals777" 
> > > <frank.govaerts@p...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Great news! 
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Regarding your problem to mount the zip drive: Can't you 
> > change 
> > > the
> > > > scsi ID of your scsi zip disc with dip switches or a dumb 
wheel?
> > > > Anyway, you can also change the scsi id of your HD by setting 
the
> > > > jumpers. Changing the scsi id of the zip drive looks to be 
easier.
> > > > Anyway, the sampler can work with only one external scsi id 
at a 
> > > time,
> > > > so you have to switch between HD and zip all the time. 
> > > > 
> > > > 2. BTW: do you have the brand and exact model number of hard 
> > disk? 
> > > I'm
> > > > thinking that the sampler takes a very limited number of HD 
models
> > > > when it is used internally. That may be one of the reasons 
why the
> > > > rest of us have problems mounting an internal HD.
> > > > 
> > > > Have fun! 
> > > > Frank
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "tbiggz"
> > > > <infarmah@h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for the advice on the OS storage 
> > > > > to HD.  My S1100 arrived with an internal 
> > > > > HD and OS4.30 on a floppy disk.  Amazingly,
> > > > > noone ever loaded the OS on the internal
> > > > > HD.  Anyway, doing it was as easy as you
> > > > > said and now I boot to OS4.30 really fast.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "tbiggz" 
> > > > > <infarmah@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In 
akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "aneurysmhook" 
> > > > > > <aneurysmhook@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi again, 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Actually yes it can! My machine currently automatically 
> > loads 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > final OS from the SCSI zip disk. As long as you put the 
OS 
> > on 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > first partition of the drive it should load 
automatically 
> > on 
> > > > > > powerup. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is just temporary until I get enough time & energy 
to 
> > > take 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > out of the rack and put in the 2 eproms of the last OS 
> > which 
> > > I 
> > > > > > > have. :)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "tbiggz" 
> > > > > > > <infarmah@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Wow thanks for the info!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Last thing: I wonder is if the S1100 can 
> > > > > > > > be booted from the SCSI HD.  I know some
> > > > > > > > Akai machines do not allow the OS to 
> > > > > > > > boot from SCSI (even my ASR10 does that!).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Do you load your S1100 OS from the SCSI 
> > > > > > > > HD?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks again...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "aneurysmhook" 
> > > > > > > > <aneurysmhook@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Yes, the effects are standard on an S1100. The 
final 
> > > S1100 
> > > > > > O.S. 
> > > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > 4.30. I don't know if the S1000 OS would work but I 
> > > wouldn't 
> > > > > > > think 
> > > > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > > necessary at all. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The S1100 also came standard with different A/D D/A 
> > > > > converters 
> > > > > > > than 
> > > > > > > > > the S1000, an SCSI board, and 8 output board with 
> > effects 
> > > > > > > > send/return 
> > > > > > > > > loop possibility..although this function doesn't 
work 
> > if 
> > > > > using 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > digital output.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I've also read about the HD recording after version 
2.0 
> > > which 
> > > > > > > Akai 
> > > > > > > > > did charge for when it was first released. The 
final 
> > O.S 
> > > is 
> > > > > > 4.30 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > can be loaded via floppy or zip if you don't have 
the 
> > > eproms 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > final version. Version up kits are still out there 
too. 
> > I 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > zip 
> > > > > > > > > and cd-rom connected via SCSI, but no HD. So I 
can't 
> > > comment 
> > > > > > > about 
> > > > > > > > > that part. Hope this has helped a bit.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In 
akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, "tbiggz" 
> > > > > > > > > <infarmah@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Do the effects come standard on the 
> > > > > > > > > > S1100?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It seems the standard S1100 had many 
> > > > > > > > > > standard features: The only option I 
> > > > > > > > > > know of was the digital I/O board.
> > > > > > > > > > Were there others?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Also, how does the S1100 O.S. compare 
> > > > > > > > > > to the S1000 O.S?  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I mean, there's Version 4.40 for S1000, 
> > > > > > > > > > does that also work on the S1100?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I thought the S1100 requires 2.0 ROM upgrade 
> > > > > > > > > > for some features like HD recording.  
> > > > > > > > > > I'm really confused.  Is there someone who 
> > > > > > > > > > knows the details here?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks!