Analogue-sequencer

I've been reading the last few posts about entering 8th and 16th 
notes etc. and one thing i'm curious about that is, it's obvious how 
to change the note values and duration but what i'd like to know is 
can the sequencer trigger notes on the "and" counts?... ie; where the 
quarter note is counted 1, 2, 3 "and" 4 "and" .... and so forth. Or 
am i so bogged down in traditional theory and thinking that i don't 
see the function or see the equivalent on the machine?
Kind regards
john duval

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:06:52 -0000, "john duval"
<darkstr1746@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've been reading the last few posts about entering 8th and 16th 
>notes etc. and one thing i'm curious about that is, it's obvious how 
>to change the note values and duration but what i'd like to know is 
>can the sequencer trigger notes on the "and" counts?... ie; where the 
>quarter note is counted 1, 2, 3 "and" 4 "and" .... and so forth. Or 
>am i so bogged down in traditional theory and thinking that i don't 
>see the function or see the equivalent on the machine?

Well, a single pattern can be a maximum of 16 steps and if you tie
some notes together, some steps can be multiple lengths of others. You
can introduce Aux events that alter the tbase - for example changing a
pattern from 8 to 16 for 4 steps, changing the tbase to 32 for 4
steps, changing back to 8 for 8 steps. It's flexible but you have to
keep your brain in gear to work out what it is you want. 

I've been experimenting with running two tracks on the same MIDI
channel - each at a different tbase. Then I've been using a third
track to control muting for the two other tracks and introducing
randomness so that you never quite know how the patterns will
coincide. 

Paul
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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

I'll bet we end up talking around each other on this one because i dont have a machine yet and i'm not familiar with the "tbase" function. but what i think i get out of it leads me to this question. Can you define a different "tbase" for each note??  
In order to get "and"count note trigger you would still have to have an event outside the quarter note signature... no matter how much you divided it down.. 8th/16th and so on. you can tie all day but it still remains in the quarter note world...... Hmmmmm... i smell a song title here LOL!!
am  i making sense here? 
Again, i think the answer to my question might lay in the understanding of the "tbase" function which i don't possess at the moment.
Or... how about this.... in one 4/4 bar; quarter/quarter/8th8th/8th8th ....??
are we on the same page now??
sorry for being such a pain in the butt. What i'm trying to do is replicate a bass line from an old Henry Mancini tune where at the end of every bar there is a "4 and " count. 1,2,3,4 and, 1,2,3,4and, 1....so on.
kind regards
john duval

Paul Nagle <softroom@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:06:52 -0000, "john duval"
<darkstr1746@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've been reading the last few posts about entering 8th and 16th 
>notes etc. and one thing i'm curious about that is, it's obvious how 
>to change the note values and duration but what i'd like to know is 
>can the sequencer trigger notes on the "and" counts?... ie; where the 
>quarter note is counted 1, 2, 3 "and" 4 "and" .... and so forth. Or 
>am i so bogged down in traditional theory and thinking that i don't 
>see the function or see the equivalent on the machine?

Well, a single pattern can be a maximum of 16 steps and if you tie
some notes together, some steps can be multiple lengths of others. You
can introduce Aux events that alter the tbase - for example changing a
pattern from 8 to 16 for 4 steps, changing the tbase to 32 for 4
steps, changing back to 8 for 8 steps. It's flexible but you have to
keep your brain in gear to work out what it is you want. 

I've been experimenting with running two tracks on the same MIDI
channel - each at a different tbase. Then I've been using a third
track to control muting for the two other tracks and introducing
randomness so that you never quite know how the patterns will
coincide. 

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

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> Can you define a different "tbase" for 
> each note??  

Yes. You can use the 'set .. tbase' aux event on each step. This will
temporarily modify the tbase for the rest of the pattern.
The available choices of tbase are 32, 16, 8, 4, 2 and 1 using the 'set
norm tbase' event. The value for each of those tbases are shown as 0, 1,
2, 3, 4 and 5 - I need to make a couple of changes to support showing
the values as the actual tbase numbers.
Using 'set trplt tbase', you can select tbases of 32T, 16T, 8T, 4T and
2T, but again the values will be shown as 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4.

If you want even shorter notes that a 32nd note, you can use the note
repeat aux events. The smallest note you can achieve that way is a 96th
note.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, john duval wrote:

> In order to get "and"count note trigger you would still have to have an
> event outside the quarter note signature... no matter how much you
> divided it down.. 8th/16th and so on. you can tie all day but it still
> remains in the quarter note world...... Hmmmmm... i smell a song title

maybe my piano training is too far distant in the past, but isn't "and"
the 1/8 note when you're counting 1/4 notes?

you can shuffle it and decrese the velocity to get the one and two and
swingy kind of feeling too...

bleep.
out.

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