Analogue-sequencer

I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared custom P3.
As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...

http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg

Cheers,
Colin f

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "colinfraser_com" 
<colin@c...> wrote:
> I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared custom P3.
> As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...
> 
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> Colin f

:D
that is big...
...the display looks kinda really small now though ;)

> :D
> that is big...
> ...the display looks kinda really small now though ;)

Yeah - it might want a fresnel lens on there ;-)

Colin f

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:06:32 -0000, "colinfraser_com"
<colin@colinfraser.com> wrote:

>I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared custom P3.
>As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...
>
>http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg
>

Wow, that looks fantastic!

Paul
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On Monday 28 June 2004 20:06, colinfraser_com wrote:
> I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared
> custom P3. As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...
>
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg

Now we're getting somewhere! :)

- Robert

On Monday 28 June 2004 20:12, ch.³l wrote:
> that is big...
> ...the display looks kinda really small now though ;)

Then consider this one:
http://home.planet.nl/~robnet/p3/p3-v10.gif

Paul Nagle wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:06:32 -0000, "colinfraser_com"
> <colin@colinfraser.com> wrote:
> 
>> I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared custom P3.
>> As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...
>> 
>> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg
>> 
> 
> Wow, that looks fantastic!
> 

Well, a big guy needs a big one :-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

> i'm having fantasies about a virus kc lately, partly because a p3 
> would fit so nicely on top of it (i'm actually serious about 
> this!). but it's display looks like crap, especially to my 
> stigmatized eyes... does anyone know if it uses the same LCD 
> controller as the p3? if so, i could get a kc and just replace it 
> with one of those lovely PLEDs (with added de-coupling, of course).

actually i've been thinking of replacing the 'normal' black-on-green 
16*2 display of my QM-309, which is starting to act up, with a PLED.
i don't expect any problems, apart from having to decouple. seems to 
me it should sort of be a drop-in kinda job...
grtz Chiel

> Then consider this one:
> http://home.planet.nl/~robnet/p3/p3-v10.gif

That one takes an LCD display IIRC - there aren't PLED displays in that
set yet AFAIK.
I ma considering whether to do a display module with 5x7 LED matrix
displays - one of those could be very big indeed... but with a price tag
to match - £1.40 per character in 17mm, or £2 per character in 50mm.
That doesn't include a drive circuit and processor.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> On Monday 28 June 2004 20:12, ch.³l wrote:
> > that is big...
> > ...the display looks kinda really small now though ;)
>
> Then consider this one:
> http://home.planet.nl/~robnet/p3/p3-v10.gif

that is a *sweet* layout! makes me wish i still had my motm... :(

bleep.
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i'm having fantasies about a virus kc lately, partly because a p3 would
fit so nicely on top of it (i'm actually serious about this!). but it's
display looks like crap, especially to my stigmatized eyes... does anyone
know if it uses the same LCD controller as the p3? if so, i could get a kc
and just replace it with one of those lovely PLEDs (with added
de-coupling, of course).

bleep.
out.

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> i'm having fantasies about a virus kc lately, partly because 
> a p3 would
> fit so nicely on top of it (i'm actually serious about 
> this!). but it's
> display looks like crap, especially to my stigmatized eyes... 
> does anyone
> know if it uses the same LCD controller as the p3? if so, i 
> could get a kc
> and just replace it with one of those lovely PLEDs (with added
> de-coupling, of course).

I don't know that the kc uses a display module - seems more likely the
display is integrated into the panel board.
You'd really need to open one up and check before laying out the cash.
If it is a separate module, chances are it'll be controller compatible -
it's a de facto standard...

Cheers,
Colin f

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Colin f wrote:

> I don't know that the kc uses a display module - seems more likely the
> display is integrated into the panel board.

ahh, yeah, you're probably right. there aren't any screws holding it to
the panel or anything...

> You'd really need to open one up and check before laying out the cash.
> If it is a separate module, chances are it'll be controller compatible -
> it's a de facto standard...

well, the display isn't a make or break kind of thing... there is an
editor for it, after all. and sh1tload of knobs, heh. but a P3 sure will
look sexy sitting on top of it!

bleep.
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> actually i've been thinking of replacing the 'normal' black-on-green 
> 16*2 display of my QM-309, which is starting to act up, with a PLED.
> i don't expect any problems, apart from having to decouple. seems to 
> me it should sort of be a drop-in kinda job...

I'm not sure whether the PLEDs need extra de-coupling, or maybe I just
didn't use enough in the original P3 design.
Anyway, they totally kick ass... ;-)

Cheers,
Colin f

All,

> I don't know that the kc uses a display module - seems more likely the
> display is integrated into the panel board.

here may be a clue ;-
http://www.sketchymonkey.com/modules.php?
op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=20&page=1

Its a Virus B with Red LEDs and RED backlit display.

Paul

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 Paul.Maddox.Mail-list@Synth.net wrote:

> here may be a clue ;-
> http://www.sketchymonkey.com/modules.php?
> op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=20&page=1
>
> Its a Virus B with Red LEDs and RED backlit display.

that's *excellent!* thanks paul! now i just have to figure out how to
contact the guy who wrote it... i do like the red on black, but those
PLEDs are just *too* sexy... maybe they come in red too? :)

that'd be a yes: http://www.pacificdisplay.com/oled_products.htm

bleep.
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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, blip <bleep@w...> wrote:
> > here may be a clue ;-
> > http://www.sketchymonkey.com/modules.php?
...
> > Its a Virus B with Red LEDs and RED backlit display.
> that's *excellent!* thanks paul! now i just have to figure out how to
> contact the guy who wrote it... i do like the red on black, but those
> PLEDs are just *too* sexy... maybe they come in red too? :)
My, how odd.... I just subbed this afternoon by a wierd coincidence...!

~Pev

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, no_such_user wrote:

> > > Its a Virus B with Red LEDs and RED backlit display.
> > that's *excellent!* thanks paul! now i just have to figure out how to
> > contact the guy who wrote it... i do like the red on black, but those
> > PLEDs are just *too* sexy... maybe they come in red too? :)
> My, how odd.... I just subbed this afternoon by a wierd coincidence...!

hah hah! hi pev!

i'd be interested in hearing the details of how you swapped that LCD
out... do you think a PLED module would work in a virus c? do you have any
pics of virus guts?

(and welcome to this list of rabid sequencer freaks...)

bleep.
out.

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blip wrote:
> hah hah! hi pev!
I do believe in synchronicity more by the day...!

> i'd be interested in hearing the details of how you swapped that LCD
> out... 
Well, I slightly cheated and got a stock red LCD from a C and installed
it! I have the old yellow/green LCD here and will take some pics when
I unearth it from the junk pile.

> do you think a PLED module would work in a virus c? 
I suspect it should if the controller is the same and the mounting 
holes on the PCB are compatible. I had to do some minor surgery to 
get the C one into my B. Once I've posted the pics, decide for 
yourself! I do remember reading somewhere (might even have been
colin) that for some designs you need to decouple the power supply
to the [OP]LED displays, but thats pretty trivial to do if required.

> do you have any pics of virus guts? 
Sadly not ; my camera was toast when I did it last year, hence the 
shitty camera-phone pics in that article. To be honest though, they're 
not that exciting! A CPU board and a button/knob board, and the LCD 
bolted onto the metalwork....

> (and welcome to this list of rabid sequencer freaks...)
Mmmm. I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions, and getting
some ideas for my project....!

~Pev

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Pev wrote:

> Well, I slightly cheated and got a stock red LCD from a C and installed
> it! I have the old yellow/green LCD here and will take some pics when
> I unearth it from the junk pile.

thanks!

> > do you think a PLED module would work in a virus c?
> I suspect it should if the controller is the same and the mounting
> holes on the PCB are compatible. I had to do some minor surgery to
> get the C one into my B. Once I've posted the pics, decide for
> yourself! I do remember reading somewhere (might even have been
> colin) that for some designs you need to decouple the power supply
> to the [OP]LED displays, but thats pretty trivial to do if required.

yeah you would have to decouple them... (i say this like i actually know
something, but really i'm just parroting colin...) do you have any idea
what controller the virus uses, or did you just get lucky betting that the
C would have the same as the B? :)

> shitty camera-phone pics in that article. To be honest though, they're
> not that exciting! A CPU board and a button/knob board, and the LCD
> bolted onto the metalwork....

ahh... i was just hoping to get a look at the LCD PCB and how it was
attached, to see what kind of mess i'd be getting myself into...
physically at least.

> Mmmm. I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions, and getting
> some ideas for my project....!

well, some of the ideas people here have about what they want their
sequencers to do are really quite perverted. :) go through the group
message index and take a look at all the crazy stuff people suggest... and
colin actually *implements* most of it! i'm taking a week's vacation as
soon as my case arrives just to be able to explore all of it...

-fred.

bleep.
out.

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Pev,

> My, how odd.... I just subbed this afternoon by a wierd coincidence...!

hehe, only to see your link and name being bandied around willy nilly eh?

Paul

Pev,

> Well, I slightly cheated and got a stock red LCD from a C and installed
> it! I have the old yellow/green LCD here and will take some pics when
> I unearth it from the junk pile.

actually, all we'd need is the model partnumber of the display and maybe the
controller chip on the back.
Anyone could then compare the two datasheets, its not hard..

Paul (with a Blue VFD Chameleon)

As a fan of the step sequencer, and especially loving synths with nice built
in sequencers, I feel compelled to post this from the Harmony Central synth
list.

These are details about the Spectralis sequencer. Of course, this synth is
not yet released - projected date is September...

The English isn't the greatest - I don't understand exactly what's meant by
some of the descriptions, but it sounds pretty interesting:

"The spectralis comes with 3 different sequencer sections:
1.) A normal Pattern Sequencer that cen be recorded in realtime or step by
step.
2.) A drum Grid sequencer for drum programming.
3.) and last but not least the step sequencer.

Section 3 is the one that can be compared with the polymorph sequencer - but
we added some new powerful features to this new one:

32 Sequencer Lines with up to 96 steps
"Mute-Step", "Trig Step", "Skip Step" and "set last step" button functions.
A step length can be set between 1/96th notes and 16 bars.
For each step you can define parameter control envelopes. These envelopes
are used for tempo based parameter changes. One can for example trigger on
step 1 an decay envelope with a length of an 8th note and on step 3 an
Attack envelope with a length of 8 complete steps. So, in the same line, the
sequencer can trigger different kinds of envelopes with different durations.
The noise Filterbank pattern is an good example for that. When you hear it,
you exactly understand, what I did there. All these sounds, that remind a
little bit of drum sounds are nothing else than bandpass filtered noise
spectras. With the step sequencer envelopes, I opened the Amplifiers behind
the different bandpass filters to create a new rhythm. This is the main
feature, which also is the reason for the name spectralis.
Each line of the sequence can have different length, direction and time
signature. So, one sequence for example can play 16th notes and the next one
can for example control the cutoff frequency - changing the filter frequency
only every 4 bars (step length 4 bars)
But this stepsequencer will not only run synchronized with the maaster
clock. For each line it will be possible to alternativly assign a controller
number or the key velocity as an step selector. Rising up a controller value
will increase the step number. Together with the glide function, which is
also available for each line, you can create very strange morphing patterns.
The stepsequencer will become a tool for doing complex realtime sound
changes with nonlinear time functions. Just imagine to control all the
filterbank bandpass levels by playing a little bit harder on your velocity
sensitive keyboard. For up to 96 velocity values one can define a complete
different filterbak volume setting.
But also all other synth parameters can be controlled with this sequencer.
You can change the waveform of an oscillator for each step or just the
detune between two oscilators. Or you can add some FM to one oscillator just
for only some dedicated steps.
The polymorph sequencer is also very powerful but can't even come close to
the stuff, the spectralis can do.
And, of course - the step sequencer can control external MIDI units as
well."

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:25:29 -0700, Gene Schwartz
<implode7@comcast.net> wrote:

>These are details about the Spectralis sequencer. Of course, this synth is
>not yet released - projected date is September...

Had my eye on this for a while - must try to get it for review.

>32 Sequencer Lines with up to 96 steps
>"Mute-Step", "Trig Step", "Skip Step" and "set last step" button functions.
>A step length can be set between 1/96th notes and 16 bars.

Awesome!!!

>For each step you can define parameter control envelopes. These envelopes
>are used for tempo based parameter changes. One can for example trigger on
>step 1 an decay envelope with a length of an 8th note and on step 3 an
>Attack envelope with a length of 8 complete steps. So, in the same line, the
>sequencer can trigger different kinds of envelopes with different durations.
>The noise Filterbank pattern is an good example for that. When you hear it,
>you exactly understand, what I did there. All these sounds, that remind a
>little bit of drum sounds are nothing else than bandpass filtered noise
>spectras. With the step sequencer envelopes, I opened the Amplifiers behind
>the different bandpass filters to create a new rhythm. This is the main
>feature, which also is the reason for the name spectralis.

Mmmmm

>Each line of the sequence can have different length, direction and time
>signature. So, one sequence for example can play 16th notes and the next one
>can for example control the cutoff frequency - changing the filter frequency
>only every 4 bars (step length 4 bars)

He learned a lot making the Polymorph that's for sure!

>But this stepsequencer will not only run synchronized with the maaster
>clock. For each line it will be possible to alternativly assign a controller
>number or the key velocity as an step selector. Rising up a controller value
>will increase the step number. Together with the glide function, which is
>also available for each line, you can create very strange morphing patterns.

Aha

>The stepsequencer will become a tool for doing complex realtime sound
>changes with nonlinear time functions. Just imagine to control all the
>filterbank bandpass levels by playing a little bit harder on your velocity
>sensitive keyboard. For up to 96 velocity values one can define a complete
>different filterbak volume setting.

I think a lot of why this will be cool will mirror why the Polymorph
is so cool controlling its own synth engine. The user interface is
fantastic. Oddly, I find the Polymorph synth perfect at producing ....
pads! Ironically, I used mine less for sequencing cos I never quite
got the sequencing sounds I liked from, say, the Nova or Virus. I
suspect this will be different.

>But also all other synth parameters can be controlled with this sequencer.
>You can change the waveform of an oscillator for each step or just the
>detune between two oscilators. Or you can add some FM to one oscillator just
>for only some dedicated steps.
>The polymorph sequencer is also very powerful but can't even come close to
>the stuff, the spectralis can do.
>And, of course - the step sequencer can control external MIDI units as
>well."

I suspect some people will still prefer a stand-alone sequencer with
no sound engine. Personally if the built-in synth were as good as the
humble Nova or better, any P3 or P4 type sequencer that was the whole
package like this would be quite remarkable. 
So bung in a Chameleon chip, get some heads from this list together,
and make the best damn Polymorph killer we all ever heard!

Paul

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                           www.BogusFocus.com

Hi,
i am in touch with the father of spectralis,
'cause i live close by. I will be one of the 
first owners somewhere in late september.

If you are interested, i will post some more infos, when i hold
Spectralis in my hands.

It changed already a lot, he got an excellent DSP-Programmer on his
side, so both are working a lot to optimize this thing. They use Texas
Instruments DSP's, which promise to offer a lot more power against
motorolla. There will be also a REX-File-Support included, and, as i
heard, the Filter Bank works now on the DSP, not analog anymore. But
he sweard that the sound is much better now than all other DSP-Filter
(????). 
We will see.
But i am a 100% Spectralis buyer....
Stefan

> >But also all other synth parameters can be controlled with 
> this sequencer.
> >You can change the waveform of an oscillator for each step 
> or just the
> >detune between two oscilators. Or you can add some FM to one 
> oscillator just
> >for only some dedicated steps.
> >The polymorph sequencer is also very powerful but can't even 
> come close to
> >the stuff, the spectralis can do.
> >And, of course - the step sequencer can control external 
> MIDI units as
> >well."

Of course, the control over the internal sound engine is going to be far
superior to what can be achieved over midi, simply because of the limits
of midi resolution and transfer rate. Generating envelopes with P3 would
be possible, but the midi interface bandwidth would be saturated with
the data, so it's not worth doing.
 
> I suspect some people will still prefer a stand-alone sequencer with
> no sound engine. Personally if the built-in synth were as good as the
> humble Nova or better, any P3 or P4 type sequencer that was the whole
> package like this would be quite remarkable. 
> So bung in a Chameleon chip, get some heads from this list together,
> and make the best damn Polymorph killer we all ever heard!

Oddly enough, the Spectralis sequencer bears a lot of similarity to what
I had in mind for P4, except rather than having an internal sound
engine, P4 is to have high resolution CV outputs, as well as multiple
midi ports. The CV ports will have high enough refresh rates to generate
envelopes. Moving to a 60MHz ARM CPU enables a lot more functionality
;-)
Of course, it bumps the price up too. Observe the 1300 ukp / $2000 price
tag on Spectralis...

Cheers,
Colin f

Hi,

> These are details about the Spectralis sequencer. Of course, this synth is
> not yet released - projected date is September...

Had a play with this at Frankfurt, nice looking box..
They had a monophonic synth engine working in it, sounded quite good, but
nothing radical (pun intentional).
They said they were adding a DSP polysynth in there aswell as the analogue
mono which I heard.

The spec of the sequencer is truly scary, but as Paul pointed out, he's had
practice at this before with the polymorph which is a great instrument
aswell as sequencer.

Paul

Colin,

> Moving to a 60MHz ARM CPU enables a lot more functionality
> ;-)

nice, but be warned about the cost of the ARM SDK.....
These days, I'd rather go for a 68000 clone in an FPGA running at 100Mhz...
Failing that, a Coldfire..

Paul

> nice, but be warned about the cost of the ARM SDK.....

There seems to be plenty GNU stuff about.
But I've got a tinyARM dev board, which came with an IAR compiler
(albeit 32k limited).
256k FLASH, 4 x 10bit ADC, multiple 32 bit timers, it's a fun chip...

> These days, I'd rather go for a 68000 clone in an FPGA 
> running at 100Mhz...
> Failing that, a Coldfire..

It occurs that if the UI processor in the Chameleon is up to the job,
that might be an easier way to go...
Come to think of it, aside from some extra encoders and buttons, and the
big display, there probably isn't much more to the Spectralis compared
to the Chameleon other than the software.
If Soundart shipped a Chameleon 'brain' board at low cost, it'd be a
no-brainer...

Cheers,
Colin f

yes - he posted on the same list that the filter bank (as opposed to the
lfp,hpf and bpf) was now digital, and that they got far superior results
that way, allowing the sound to be taken in truly unusual ways.

I'd like it if you posted news on this list, if others don't mind.

> From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@yahoo.de>
> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:48:59 -0000
> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Forthcoming Spectralis synth/sequencer
> details
> 
> Hi,
> i am in touch with the father of spectralis,
> 'cause i live close by. I will be one of the
> first owners somewhere in late september.
> 
> If you are interested, i will post some more infos, when i hold
> Spectralis in my hands.
> 
> It changed already a lot, he got an excellent DSP-Programmer on his
> side, so both are working a lot to optimize this thing. They use Texas
> Instruments DSP's, which promise to offer a lot more power against
> motorolla. There will be also a REX-File-Support included, and, as i
> heard, the Filter Bank works now on the DSP, not analog anymore. But
> he sweard that the sound is much better now than all other DSP-Filter
> (????). 
> We will see.
> But i am a 100% Spectralis buyer....
> Stefan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Gene/Stefan,

> yes - he posted on the same list that the filter bank (as opposed to
> the lfp,hpf and bpf) was now digital, and that they got far superior
> results that way, allowing the sound to be taken in truly unusual ways.

I'm glad to hear it, I think there is too much emphasis put on Analogue
stuff sounding better, I don't think it does, I think it sounds different.
DSP has a lot more flexability to offer than analogue, but thats a whole
flame war on its own :-)

Lets see how it sounds when it comes out

Paul

If you have a pattern where aux events are set up to influence the last step
and time base, how is the length of a repeat determined? I have a pattern
which takes quite awhile to reach the end at step 16, and this is what I was
hoping one iteration would be, but that's not the case. My brain isn't
functioning too well right now (transplant surgery, and I think I'm
rejecting the new one), so I'm not quite seeing what is determining how the
repeat parameter is working...

Did that make any sense?

Thanks,
Gene

Is there an easy way of doing the following:
I want to start a certain pattern, say on track 6, at a certain point in
time - based on when another pattern on another track is finishing up. Is
there any way of doing this simply and starting the pattern based on, say an
aux event on another track? The Polymorph can do this sort of thing easily,
internally, as well as from a MIDI trigger, and I'm noping I can do it on
the P3 some other way than, say, copying and pasting blank patterns from
other tracks, or some other indirect method to insert before this pattern...

(I realize that the Polymorph does far less than the P3, which makes it
easier to figure out how to do the more simple stuff...)

not guaranteeing that I won't have more questions tonight...

Gene

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:12:56 -0700, Gene Schwartz
<implode7@comcast.net> wrote:

>Is there an easy way of doing the following:
>I want to start a certain pattern, say on track 6, at a certain point in
>time - based on when another pattern on another track is finishing up. Is
>there any way of doing this simply and starting the pattern based on, say an
>aux event on another track? The Polymorph can do this sort of thing easily,
>internally, as well as from a MIDI trigger, and I'm noping I can do it on
>the P3 some other way than, say, copying and pasting blank patterns from
>other tracks, or some other indirect method to insert before this pattern...

Ah, this is the sort of thing I like too. Maybe the P4 will have some
kind of Linear Song Director (LSD) that allows you to place starts,
mutes, tempo changes, transposes etc. at specific points. 

With the P3 you have to think it through. My method tends to involve
creating a track that doesn't have notes of its own but sets mute and
unmutes for others. I use that track's playlist to determine when the
unmute should occur. 
However, an easier way is to use Parts - set them up in advance to
contain the pattern you want at the point in the playlist you want.
Then when you switch parts (using an Aux event or manually) the
pattern you want kicks in. Selecting parts should ensure the pattern
starts at the beginning (must check & remind myself whether doing this
as an Aux works the same way as manually - hopefully it should) but
unmuting tracks happens right away - not always what you want for a
clean start.

If Parts could be selected remotely (as Phil suggested) that would
make it even easier. 

>(I realize that the Polymorph does far less than the P3, which makes it
>easier to figure out how to do the more simple stuff...)

Yeah, starting sequences is pretty neat using the Polymorph method. 

>not guaranteeing that I won't have more questions tonight...

Go for it man, sorry I didn't quite understand your other question. 

Paul
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ok - it does sound like using parts is the easiest way to go here. If there
were room for one more request, I guess mine would be the remote triggering
of patterns and/or internal triggering of patterns by other patterns on
other tracks.

Let me try to explain the other question. When you set up a playlist, you
determine how many repeats you want for each step in the playlist. If you
select 'P' for the chg parameter, then it will play through the entire
pattern, rather than change at the global bar.

Well, I had thought that what this meant was that the 'entire pattern' was
determined by when it reached the last step in the pattern. But it isn't. I
have a pattern, which in somewhat complicated fashion changes its tbase and
its last step with aux events, so that it doesn't actually reach step 16 for
awhile. I am not entirely sure how the P3, in determining 6 repeats of the
pattern is calculating what 1 iteration of the pattern is, exactly.

> From: Paul Nagle <softroom@btinternet.com>
> Organization: The Soft Room
> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:30:21 +0100
> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] another question: triggering a pattern
> 
> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:12:56 -0700, Gene Schwartz
> <implode7@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Is there an easy way of doing the following:
>> I want to start a certain pattern, say on track 6, at a certain point in
>> time - based on when another pattern on another track is finishing up. Is
>> there any way of doing this simply and starting the pattern based on, say an
>> aux event on another track? The Polymorph can do this sort of thing easily,
>> internally, as well as from a MIDI trigger, and I'm noping I can do it on
>> the P3 some other way than, say, copying and pasting blank patterns from
>> other tracks, or some other indirect method to insert before this pattern...
> 
> Ah, this is the sort of thing I like too. Maybe the P4 will have some
> kind of Linear Song Director (LSD) that allows you to place starts,
> mutes, tempo changes, transposes etc. at specific points.
> 
> With the P3 you have to think it through. My method tends to involve
> creating a track that doesn't have notes of its own but sets mute and
> unmutes for others. I use that track's playlist to determine when the
> unmute should occur.
> However, an easier way is to use Parts - set them up in advance to
> contain the pattern you want at the point in the playlist you want.
> Then when you switch parts (using an Aux event or manually) the
> pattern you want kicks in. Selecting parts should ensure the pattern
> starts at the beginning (must check & remind myself whether doing this
> as an Aux works the same way as manually - hopefully it should) but
> unmuting tracks happens right away - not always what you want for a
> clean start.
> 
> If Parts could be selected remotely (as Phil suggested) that would
> make it even easier.
> 
>> (I realize that the Polymorph does far less than the P3, which makes it
>> easier to figure out how to do the more simple stuff...)
> 
> Yeah, starting sequences is pretty neat using the Polymorph method.
> 
>> not guaranteeing that I won't have more questions tonight...
> 
> Go for it man, sorry I didn't quite understand your other question.
> 
> Paul
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> Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
> Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> 
> 
> 
>

Hi,

I too think it would be interesting to learn more about the spectralis.
Most importantly - have you got any indication of the price?? If they want to
include REX file support, then there must learly be a computer interface and
software updateable OS???

--- privat_joy <privat_joy@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Hi,
> i am in touch with the father of spectralis,
> 'cause i live close by. I will be one of the 
> first owners somewhere in late september.
> 
> If you are interested, i will post some more infos, when i hold
> Spectralis in my hands.
> 
> It changed already a lot, he got an excellent DSP-Programmer on his
> side, so both are working a lot to optimize this thing. They use Texas
> Instruments DSP's, which promise to offer a lot more power against
> motorolla. There will be also a REX-File-Support included, and, as i
> heard, the Filter Bank works now on the DSP, not analog anymore. But
> he sweard that the sound is much better now than all other DSP-Filter
> (????). 
> We will see.
> But i am a 100% Spectralis buyer....
> Stefan
> 
> 


		
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:45:02 -0700 (PDT), fm_xtk <fm_xtk@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I too think it would be interesting to learn more about the spectralis.
>Most importantly - have you got any indication of the price?? If they want to
>include REX file support, then there must learly be a computer interface and
>software updateable OS???

It ain't gonna be cheap - but I'll hopefully get to review it for SOS
then I can really put it through its paces... 8-)

Paul 
---
Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

This is kind of fun...

As you probably know, you can set a track of the Polymorph to receive
transpose notes from an external source, but only in a certain key range,
and anything outside of that will be interpreted as regular notes...so you
can set up a sequence on the p3, some of which transposes the Polymorph
track, and some of which plays notes...simultaneously with the POlymorph
having its own seditious polyrhythmic anti-Bush sequence percolating...man,
I wish I had some of what you're smoking. I'm wayyyy too straight these
days.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:10:50 -0700, Gene Schwartz
<implode7@comcast.net> wrote:

>This is kind of fun...
>
>As you probably know, you can set a track of the Polymorph to receive
>transpose notes from an external source, but only in a certain key range,
>and anything outside of that will be interpreted as regular notes...so you
>can set up a sequence on the p3, some of which transposes the Polymorph
>track, and some of which plays notes...simultaneously with the POlymorph
>having its own seditious polyrhythmic anti-Bush sequence percolating...man,
>I wish I had some of what you're smoking. I'm wayyyy too straight these
>days.

Nice idea - I must confess I haven't turned on the Polymorph since I
got the P3. But I haven't sold it either - which means it still has a
part to play sometime... 8-)

Sounds like a good idea.

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Gene Schwartz wrote:

> As you probably know, you can set a track of the Polymorph to receive
> transpose notes from an external source, but only in a certain key range,
> and anything outside of that will be interpreted as regular notes...so you
> can set up a sequence on the p3, some of which transposes the Polymorph
> track, and some of which plays notes...simultaneously with the POlymorph
> having its own seditious polyrhythmic anti-Bush sequence percolating...man,
> I wish I had some of what you're smoking. I'm wayyyy too straight these
> days.

gene... you are obviously doing some *really* cool stuff with your p3,
based on this message and on the questions you ask... so.... when are you
gonna hook us all up with mp3s? :)

bleep.
out.

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Colin,

> I got the front panel in today for a no-expense-spared custom P3.
> As Benny Hill once said, "I like 'em big"...
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/gerts-big-one.jpg

sh1t.....
How big is that thing!!!

Paul