Analogue-sequencer

Disillusioned with the erratic quality of the paint finish on the 
Hammond cases (I've had 3 or 4 that were un-useable), and in need of 
a 'production' design for P3 cases, I've arrived at the following:
http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/p3-rmi.htm
A difficult trip to the post office awaits...

Cheers,
Colin f

colinfraser_com wrote:
> Disillusioned with the erratic quality of the paint finish on the
> Hammond cases (I've had 3 or 4 that were un-useable), and in need of
> a 'production' design for P3 cases, I've arrived at the following:
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/p3-rmi.htm
> A difficult trip to the post office awaits...
> 

So you did one for RMI? Cool! Don't they use a Notron?

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

> I thought the silver case on your site, labled as the prototype,
> is very stylish.
> 
> (Its the one that youve commented about the price of shaeffer
> pannels with)
> 
> I liked the layout of the buttons too, with the keys sepperated
> from one another.

You mean Gert's big one ?
I like that look too, but it was *very big*.
Which is great, if you're Gert. He's big too. ;-)

A silver faced production unit is a possibility though.
In fact, a Schaeffer panel the same as Paul Nagle's #2...
http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/p3-62.jpg
...but in natural aluminium finish arrived here this morning.
So I'll be able to take a vote on it.

Cheers,
Colin f

> ps - the recessed sockets - verry good idea - why dont all mnfrs
> do this (i have a doepfer drehabank in my rack wasting space cause
> of the socket positions...)

My Drehbank won't fit in my rack because of this...

> in the early morning dreamstate this morning, i dreamed up what 
seems to
> be be a nice new feature... in play and playlist mode, the note 
knobs
> could control track volume (midi cc#7), and the upper could 
control pan
> (for which i forget the cc#). would this be useful to anyone else? 

There is a bit of a problem with this...
If you were to set up your mix on the knobs in playmode, then go 
into pattern edit, and move them all about, you would have things 
jumping around when you went back to play mode and tried to make a 
subtle volume or pan change. I would need to implement a pass-thru 
mode for the knobs. This might use up more space than is left, as 
might the controller transmit code...

> if you have a pattern that is 8 steps in length
> and one that is 7 steps in length, they would both loop at the same
> temporal time...
> ... is there already a way to do this? or would this be
> possible to do? if so, would it require too much code-heavy 
calculation?
> this is not a must have for me, more like a funky-to-have, heh...

To do this would need some new, weird tbase values.
Each tbase has an underlying number of clock pulses that each step 
lasts for. For Tbase 16, each step is 12 ticks. So an 8 step pattern 
at Tbase 16 is 96 ticks long.
96 divided by 7 (to make the pattern the same length) would need 
each step to be 13.7 ticks long. Obviously that's not possible. But 
by rounding off the number of ticks to 14, and using gbar to resync 
the pattern, it might be close enough for whatever kind of f#cked up 
rock'n'roll you're trying to make ;-)
There is no technical reason why I couldn't add an event that would 
allow you to set the number of ticks per step directly at the start 
of the pattern, over-riding the normal Tbase values.
You'd be responsible for any muscular damage inflicted upon people 
trying to dance to your music though.

Cheers,
Colin f

Just a quick comment - 

I thought the silver case on your site, labled as the prototype, is very stylish.

(Its the one that youve commented about the price of shaeffer pannels with)

I liked the layout of the buttons too, with the keys sepperated from one another.

My opinion.

Julian

ps - the recessed sockets - verry good idea - why dont all mnfrs do this (i have a doepfer drehabank in my rack wasting space cause of the socket positions...)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: colinfraser_com 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:26 AM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] The case of the ace case...


  Disillusioned with the erratic quality of the paint finish on the 
  Hammond cases (I've had 3 or 4 that were un-useable), and in need of 
  a 'production' design for P3 cases, I've arrived at the following:
  http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/p3-rmi.htm
  A difficult trip to the post office awaits...

  Cheers,
  Colin f




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hi all...

in the early morning dreamstate this morning, i dreamed up what seems to
be be a nice new feature... in play and playlist mode, the note knobs
could control track volume (midi cc#7), and the upper could control pan
(for which i forget the cc#). would this be useful to anyone else? i know
it would for me... most of my synths go into an 01v, and i tend to set the
volume of a track for optimum input signal on the 01v, then use the 01v
itself for the actual track volume...

currently, i've got my MC-909 sending sync to the P3, and it also sends
track volume. however, when i stop the 909 and hit play again, any P3
tracks tend to get very loud. i looked through the manual and i couldn't
find any particular track level parameter, so i figured that the above
solution would be nice. also, i don't use midi pan too much (01v), so
having something like track xpose on the upper knobs would be cool too,
instead of pan.

now on to the fun bit...

you can probably already do this in some way, and if so i'd love to know
how, but here's my idea... if you have a pattern that is 8 steps in length
and one that is 7 steps in length, they would both loop at the same
temporal time... meaning that each step in the 7-step track is taking a
little longer than each step in the 8-step track... of course, 8 and 7 are
just examples... is there already a way to do this? or would this be
possible to do? if so, would it require too much code-heavy calculation?
this is not a must have for me, more like a funky-to-have, heh...

bleep.
out.

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http://leichenfeld.iuma.com
http://thirdwavecollective.com

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:05:46 -0500 (CDT), blip <bleep@waste.org>
wrote:

>hi all...
>
>in the early morning dreamstate this morning, i dreamed up what seems to
>be be a nice new feature... in play and playlist mode, the note knobs
>could control track volume (midi cc#7), and the upper could control pan
>(for which i forget the cc#). would this be useful to anyone else? i know
>it would for me... most of my synths go into an 01v, and i tend to set the
>volume of a track for optimum input signal on the 01v, then use the 01v
>itself for the actual track volume...

It would be fantastically useful. 
The knobs would need a pass-thru mode though otherwise once you go
into pattern edit and start tweaking, then return to mix in a little
more of track x, the volume could leap dramatically. 

Alternatively, there's those little Behringer boxes that are so small
and cheap. But this functionality would rock - if it could fit in. 

>you can probably already do this in some way, and if so i'd love to know
>how, but here's my idea... if you have a pattern that is 8 steps in length
>and one that is 7 steps in length, they would both loop at the same
>temporal time... meaning that each step in the 7-step track is taking a
>little longer than each step in the 8-step track... of course, 8 and 7 are
>just examples... is there already a way to do this? or would this be
>possible to do? if so, would it require too much code-heavy calculation?
>this is not a must have for me, more like a funky-to-have, heh...

Ooh, a weird one but a good one. Timestretching MIDI sequences eh? We
have Force to Scale, now we could have force to tempo. 

8-)

Paul
---
Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, colinfraser_com wrote:

> There is a bit of a problem with this...
> If you were to set up your mix on the knobs in playmode, then go
> into pattern edit, and move them all about, you would have things
> jumping around when you went back to play mode and tried to make a
> subtle volume or pan change. I would need to implement a pass-thru
> mode for the knobs. This might use up more space than is left, as
> might the controller transmit code...

are you saying that the P3 would read the new knob values and respond to
those as volume settings on returning to play mode? if that's *not* the
case, i could live with the jumping. if the knobs would only make a change
after they pass the current stored volume value, that would work too...

> each step to be 13.7 ticks long. Obviously that's not possible. But
> by rounding off the number of ticks to 14, and using gbar to resync
> the pattern, it might be close enough for whatever kind of f#cked up
> rock'n'roll you're trying to make ;-)
> There is no technical reason why I couldn't add an event that would
> allow you to set the number of ticks per step directly at the start
> of the pattern, over-riding the normal Tbase values.
> You'd be responsible for any muscular damage inflicted upon people
> trying to dance to your music though.

hah hah :) they're used to ear damage... i think they'd dig some muscle
damage too. adding that event would be damn cool, colin... and i'm sure
paul will do something unmentionable with it, heh.

btw, this is an idea i'm stealing from theo hogers' step one sequencer...
this thing is total vaporware, since it was supposed to come out 3 or 4
years ago and now is no longer on tidal's web page. he had a little flash
animation that showed what it looks like... and it's not a complete mess
like you'd think it would be... it's based off of the polyrythms present
in african tribal drumming. they tend to be less obsessed with the number
four than we are, and to beautiful effect. here's a good article about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm

so colin, let's make a deal... since paul filled up P3's code, i think
when P4 comes around it should be my turn... and i *swear* i'll put the
LEDs in the right way! :)

-f.

bleep.
out.

---
http://leichenfeld.iuma.com
http://thirdwavecollective.com

> are you saying that the P3 would read the new knob values and 
> respond to
> those as volume settings on returning to play mode?

It wouldn't do that. But if you had set the volume on a track to full,
then gone into edit and moved that knob to zero, then went back to play
and wanted to bring the volume down a touch, the first movement of the
knob would be from zero up to just less than full.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Colin f wrote:

> > are you saying that the P3 would read the new knob values and
> > respond to
> > those as volume settings on returning to play mode?
>
> It wouldn't do that. But if you had set the volume on a track to full,
> then gone into edit and moved that knob to zero, then went back to play
> and wanted to bring the volume down a touch, the first movement of the
> knob would be from zero up to just less than full.

i still think that would be useful, as i wouldn't need to use it live...
if it would be easier, volume could be a parameter in play/playlist mode
that could work much like setting the midi channel... you'd hit teh volume
option, select the track, turn the data knob to the appropriate level,
select a new track, turn the data knob, and so on... would this be
do-able?

bleep.
out.

---
http://leichenfeld.iuma.com
http://thirdwavecollective.com

> A silver faced production unit is a possibility though.
> In fact, a Schaeffer panel the same as Paul Nagle's #2...
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/p3-62.jpg
> ...but in natural aluminium finish arrived here this morning.
> So I'll be able to take a vote on it.

Just as a thought, if you want an aluminium look but without all the finger
marks etc, you could go for a RAL 9006 metallic finish.

Cheers,

Tom

I think one in "Doepfer grey" would look very smart. The Regelwerk's a
nice looking piece of kit, something along those lines would be excellent.


> > A silver faced production unit is a possibility though.
> > In fact, a Schaeffer panel the same as Paul Nagle's #2...
> > http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/gallery/p3-62.jpg
> > ...but in natural aluminium finish arrived here this morning.
> > So I'll be able to take a vote on it.
> 
> Just as a thought, if you want an aluminium look but without all the
finger

> marks etc, you could go for a RAL 9006 metallic finish.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tom