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serge tkb "keyboard" mode?

2005-10-09 by keith sterling

The Serge TKB sequencer

http://www.serge-fans.com/wiz_seq.htm

has a mode with which one can manually play the switches like a
keyboard.  Anyone with a modular and a bunch of lag generators knows
how cool that can be.  Does the P3 do this?  I couldn't find it in the
manual.  If it's not already in there it could be implemented so that
when in pattern edit mode with the P3 idle the "view variable data", (I
call this "peek"; hold down the FUNC key and press a step key) could
output the note and cc's as well as displaying it.  This way another
mode would be unnecessary.  I will kill for this feature.  Just
kidding, but I do really want it.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] "keyboard" mode? / tune key / DIY notes

2005-10-09 by Colin f

> The Serge TKB sequencer
> has a mode with which one can manually play the switches like a
> keyboard.  Anyone with a modular and a bunch of lag generators knows
> how cool that can be.  Does the P3 do this?

It doesn't at the moment.
I'll add it to my list of 'nice things to possibly implement once the
current list is done'.

> I'm just curious why the P3 sends a middle C note on when I press the 
> "tune" key? 

I use mainly analogue synths, with MIDI to CV convertors driving them from
my P3.
A MIDI note of C translates to a whole number voltage on the CV convertor
output.
For some synths, such as my minimoog, the incoming CV can be 'transposed' by
playing on the keyboard.
If you play a sequence, and the last note is not a C, you are left
transposed.
I use the P3 tune feature to send the CV convertor driving my mini a C, then
I can play the mini keyboard without having to manually transpose what I'm
playing.

> Maybe I am a lame builder but I thought the DIY pages could use two 
> updates;

I'll add the suggested tips to the build notes.
I think an older page did mention the RAM initialise, but I think it got
left out after the re-design.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: tune key

2005-10-10 by ferrograph632

>>I use mainly analogue synths, with MIDI to CV convertors driving 
them from my P3. A MIDI note of C translates to a whole number 
voltage on the CV convertor output. For some synths, such as my 
minimoog, the incoming CV can be 'transposed' by playing on the 
keyboard. If you play a sequence, and the last note is not a C, you 
are left transposed.<<

to complicate things further, the same voltage isn't the same pitch 
on each of these instruments anyway, neccessitating on my rogues & 
the prodigals a permanent offset introduced by the pitch wheels to 
transpose them away from the G they prefer. the pro-1 & the source 
both have C as their bottom note.
C is usually the home key for keyboardists because the key of Cmaj, 
which I don't know how to play in (seriously- it'd be easier if all 
one's fingers were the same length..), is all white notes. I suppose 
one could argue that this is also true of Amin.....

so I suspect that colin will have to make this user-configurable to 
keep us all happy. what we might be forgetting though is that sending 
a single note through y'r midi>cv converter is only doing half the 
job.
I have spent hours & hours tuning analogue synths- opening & closing 
the cases, breathing on the tweaks, going away for ten minutes then 
coming back again. 
the usual routine is to make the thing work on it's own first- 
keyboard volts, then the cv/glide buffer, then the pitch, scale & 
high-trims on each oscillator. I like 2-oscillator synths to beat 
very slowly at the 0V end & not at all at the high end. 

once this is ok, attention turns to the midi>cv convertor, which 
usually has it's own scale adjustment. this would typically be 
adjusted depending on the condition of the connection to the synth- 
if you are using the same cv to drive two synths, or the cv cable is 
a long one for some reason, there will be a small volt drop.

to cut to the chase, if I may, the trick I usually employ is to write 
a short sequence with a spread of notes across the range of whichever 
synth it is. I won't spend hours getting the pro-1 to squeak in pitch 
if it's playing a bassline, for instance, but I'll get it close.
the shortcut here is to send the same little sequence (octaves & 
fifths is good) /via midi/ to a module with known good intonation (& 
bearing in mind that this might itself be non-standard, if you've 
decided to work in just-C or a balinese tuning or summat). a bit of 
tempo-locked delay is useful as it highlights any discords. 

then throw a mellotron into the mix.... 
& people ask us why we "don't do key changes". 
tcha.

anyway.

I had this mad idea last night. I wondered if it would be possible (& 
if anyone else could see the use) to randomise the pattern playlist 
within a part. so instead of playing the patterns for each track in 
playlist order, the part would be set up to choose the pattern & it's 
number-of-repeats on a variably-random basis.
I think there's a way to achieve the same effect by randomising 
within the patterns themselves but I think this would "feel" 
different. as usual, I've forgotten why this was so important...

d/r.m.i.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: tune key

2005-10-10 by Colin f

> I had this mad idea last night. I wondered if it would be possible (& 
> if anyone else could see the use) to randomise the pattern playlist 
> within a part. so instead of playing the patterns for each track in 
> playlist order, the part would be set up to choose the pattern & it's 
> number-of-repeats on a variably-random basis.
> I think there's a way to achieve the same effect by randomising 
> within the patterns themselves but I think this would "feel" 
> different. as usual, I've forgotten why this was so important...

If I add a 'pattern select' event, you'd be able to do that with a control
track.
You would have a pattern on one track redirecting its auxes to another,
doing randomised pattern select events, with a random mask on that event to
control the repeats. Could be interesting...
Remote control pattern selection is already TBI.
I've been sidetracked with some other things, so haven't got the finished
yet.
BTW the next build will have a nice new 'flat' character. When you select an
FTS root, you can choose enharmonic equivalents for the black notes, and all
note names are then shown the same way. IIRC you were one of the people that
wanted that Duncan.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: tune key

2005-10-10 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:

>so I suspect that colin will have to make this user-configurable to 
>keep us all happy. what we might be forgetting though is that sending 
>a single note through y'r midi>cv converter is only doing half the 
>job.
>  
>
I think it's nice that the P3 does this at all: it's handy to make sure 
all your sequenced synths are in tune.
If any guitarist wants an "A", I play one on my keyboard. And if he 
wants an "E", we go out partying....

Paul

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        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

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