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> given very few people on here speak dutch, I'd say it was still pretty
> much private :-)

FYI per head of population, the Netherlands has the highest level of P3
ownership in the world. Maybe I should do a localised version of the
firmware - I could do that quite easily with a header file.
Any volunteers to translate the P3 display text ? ;-)

Cheers,
Colin f



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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Robert van der Kamp 
<robnet@w...> wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2003 10:05, Colin f wrote:
> > > given very few people on here speak dutch, I'd say it
> > > was still pretty much private :-)
> >
> > FYI per head of population, the Netherlands has the
> > highest level of P3 ownership in the world. Maybe I
> > should do a localised version of the firmware - I could
> > do that quite easily with a header file. Any volunteers
> > to translate the P3 display text ? ;-)
>  
> Please NO!!!!!!!
> 
> A dutch P3... brrrrrrr. ;)

Oh, i dunno, "bruinerig richting" has a ring to it ;-)

On Friday 31 October 2003 10:05, Colin f wrote:
> > given very few people on here speak dutch, I'd say it
> > was still pretty much private :-)
>
> FYI per head of population, the Netherlands has the
> highest level of P3 ownership in the world. Maybe I
> should do a localised version of the firmware - I could
> do that quite easily with a header file. Any volunteers
> to translate the P3 display text ? ;-)
 
Please NO!!!!!!!

A dutch P3... brrrrrrr. ;)

on 31-10-2003 10:05, Colin f at colin@colinfraser.com wrote:

YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!

Boele

>> given very few people on here speak dutch, I'd say it was still pretty
>> much private :-)
> 
> FYI per head of population, the Netherlands has the highest level of P3
> ownership in the world. Maybe I should do a localised version of the
> firmware - I could do that quite easily with a header file.
> Any volunteers to translate the P3 display text ? ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Colin f
> 
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on 31-10-2003 11:16, Robert van der Kamp at robnet@wxs.nl wrote:

> On Friday 31 October 2003 10:05, Colin f wrote:
>>> given very few people on here speak dutch, I'd say it
>>> was still pretty much private :-)
>> 
>> FYI per head of population, the Netherlands has the
>> highest level of P3 ownership in the world. Maybe I
>> should do a localised version of the firmware - I could
>> do that quite easily with a header file. Any volunteers
>> to translate the P3 display text ? ;-)
> 
> Please NO!!!!!!!
> 
> A dutch P3... brrrrrrr. ;)

Are you kidding me Robert?

Colin: Yes!!

Boele

On Friday 31 October 2003 11:18, bgerkes wrote:
> > Please NO!!!!!!!
> >
> > A dutch P3... brrrrrrr. ;)
>
> Are you kidding me Robert?

Nope. I dutch P3 would sound like Clint Eastwood on german 
TV: "Achtung Mister!". It's simply 'wrong'.  ;)

But I still didn't order my P3, so no problem. I'll get 
something else then. ;P

- Robert

on 31-10-2003 11:28, Robert van der Kamp at robnet@wxs.nl wrote:

> On Friday 31 October 2003 11:18, bgerkes wrote:
>>> Please NO!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> A dutch P3... brrrrrrr. ;)
>> 
>> Are you kidding me Robert?
> 
> Nope. I dutch P3 would sound like Clint Eastwood on german
> TV: "Achtung Mister!". It's simply 'wrong'.  ;)

Ridiculous! You should be proud on your country WITH it's language!!

:-)))
> 
> But I still didn't order my P3, so no problem. I'll get
> something else then. ;P

Don't worry/listen to him Colin, he is DREWLING all day about it :-)))))

Boele

> Well, the new directional modes are great - and you needn't worry
> about the processing overheard - at least if my initial tests are
> anything to go by. Just ran all 8 tracks, many of them using random or
> brownian, often with skip incorporated and the timing was still good.
> I had one track with all steps but two skipped and set to random and
> it felt just as punchy as when only the one track was running.

I've been doing some testing myself - I finally added some code to
measure the peak processing time taken by the clock_pulse handler.
There are no timing issues in getting the note messages out - with 8
tracks playing it's taking much less time to generate the outgoing midi
data than it takes to transmit it serially - about 3ms maximum. 8 midi
note-ons require at least 5.5 ms to send, or more like 7.5 ms if they're
not all on the same channel (no running status). 
The problem was with the time it takes to then calculate the next step
for each sequence - this is calculated at the last clock pulse of each
beat. In random mode, it has to work out the effective length of the
pattern (counting non-skipped notes up to the last step), then pick a
random number 'n' in this range, then find the position of the 'n'th
unskipped note.
The current beta, running 8 tracks all with patterns on random is taking
enough time to do this to cause a problem at tempos any higher than 145
bpm - i.e. sync will slip because the next clock_pulse has occured
before the previous one is finished processing.
I did some re-working of the code last night, and have reduced the
overhead significantly. It should be fine well beyond the 240 bpm
maximum.
I'll do some further optimising anyway, as I need to keep things as
quick as possible so I can add other processing.
Anyone needing to run 8 tracks in random mode at tempos greater than 240
bpm probably needs to have a critical listen to their musical output...
;-)

> Also tried experimenting with a track just sending controllers, its
> motion random and using another track for notes, getting those lovely
> "Polymorph" sequences was a dream...

Now that's a neat idea !

Cheers,
Colin f

Well, the new directional modes are great - and you needn't worry
about the processing overheard - at least if my initial tests are
anything to go by. Just ran all 8 tracks, many of them using random or
brownian, often with skip incorporated and the timing was still good.
I had one track with all steps but two skipped and set to random and
it felt just as punchy as when only the one track was running.

Another triumph Colin. 

Also tried experimenting with a track just sending controllers, its
motion random and using another track for notes, getting those lovely
"Polymorph" sequences was a dream...

Back to more testing now - a lovely day to be in the studio
grinning.... you'll notice I haven't asked for anything new for a week
or so... 8-)

Thanks again!

Paul 
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Saturday 01 November 2003 11:33, Paul Nagle wrote:
> Well, the new directional modes are great - and you
> needn't worry about the processing overheard - at least
> if my initial tests are anything to go by. Just ran all 8
> tracks, many of them using random or brownian, often with
> skip incorporated and the timing was still good. I had
> one track with all steps but two skipped and set to
> random and it felt just as punchy as when only the one
> track was running.

Damn! Gotta have one now. :)

- Robert

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:17:41 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>I'll do some further optimising anyway, as I need to keep things as
>quick as possible so I can add other processing.

I like the sound of that <g>
BTW it struck me that a MIDI footpedal (CC4) would be a great
substitute for the onboard data entry knob so you could, for example,
use it to generate sequences whilst your hands do something else. And
maybe use the sustain pedal to do the job of the F1 softkey on random
input.
Oops.. 8)

>Anyone needing to run 8 tracks in random mode at tempos greater than 240
>bpm probably needs to have a critical listen to their musical output...
>;-)

Hahah aye. Fortunately I don't listen to my stuff critically or I'd
never release anything...

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> BTW it struck me that a MIDI footpedal (CC4) would be a great
> substitute for the onboard data entry knob so you could, for example,
> use it to generate sequences whilst your hands do something else. And
> maybe use the sustain pedal to do the job of the F1 softkey on random
> input.
> Oops.. 8)

That'll be you not asking for anything else then Paul ?
I suspect CC4 on the PGM channel to data pot/F1 function wouldn't be too
hard.
I'll add it to the end of the TBI list...

Cheers,
Colin f

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:58 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>That'll be you not asking for anything else then Paul ?

<whistles nonchalantly>

>I suspect CC4 on the PGM channel to data pot/F1 function wouldn't be too
>hard.
>I'll add it to the end of the TBI list...

Tum tee tum... the dear old TBI list.... 8)

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Sunday 02 November 2003 09:28, Paul Nagle wrote:

> Tum tee tum... the dear old TBI list.... 8)

Aka the PN list. ;)

- Robert

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle 
<softroom@b...> wrote:
> Well, the new directional modes are great - and you needn't worry
> about the processing overheard - at least if my initial tests are
> anything to go by. Just ran all 8 tracks, many of them using 
random or
> brownian, often with skip incorporated and the timing was still 
good.

How about a few mp3 samples of the new direction modes?!?!? C'mon, 
please??? :)

Sayer

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 14:19:29 -0000, "Sayer" <sayersweb@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>How about a few mp3 samples of the new direction modes?!?!? C'mon, 
>please??? :)

Well, P3_Stoned20 uses random and brownian modes, and a whole lot else
too. It's rather self-indulgent though, even for me. I blame the
mushrooms. And this is an excerpt from a piece lasting over an hour!

http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...> 
wrote:

> Well, P3_Stoned20 uses random and brownian modes, and a whole lot 
else
> too. It's rather self-indulgent though, even for me. I blame the
> mushrooms. And this is an excerpt from a piece lasting over an hour!
> 
> http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/

Very cool! I do like the random feel of the sequences. Are the drums 
triggered from the P3 as well?

Sayer

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:21:25 -0000, "Sayer" <sayersweb@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Very cool! I do like the random feel of the sequences. Are the drums 
>triggered from the P3 as well?

Pretty much everything is patched into the P3 via my MIDI patchbay so
I can control most of the studio from it. In this track the two
electribes were just synced to the P3, with strangeness added to them
via the Chameleon processor running "Infiltrator". 

Mostly the synths were the Evolver, Monowave, Orbital with some
PerFourmer and Jupiter 6 too. Hard to be sure though, I was kinda out
there... 8)

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

Paul,

> Mostly the synths were the Evolver, Monowave, Orbital with some
> PerFourmer and Jupiter 6 too. Hard to be sure though, I was kinda out
> there... 8)

ooo, and cant you hear the monowave doing its wave changing thing :-)

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Maddox" 
<Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:

> ooo, and cant you hear the monowave doing its wave changing thing :-
)

Which sound is the monowave making? 

Sayer

> >Which sound is the monowave making? 

You can hear an earlier demo of the P3 driving Paul Nagle's monowave
here:
http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/demo2.mp3
It's got a really distinctive, hard edged sound I think.
But I think you need a Chameleon to get a monowave now (?)

Cheers,
Colin f

Colin,

> You can hear an earlier demo of the P3 driving Paul Nagle's monowave
> here:
> http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/demo2.mp3
> It's got a really distinctive, hard edged sound I think.

you could try here ;-
http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/demos.htm
And download these two ;-
http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/wavechange1.mp3
http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/MonoWaving_Seq.mp3
(care of Sir Nagle)

> But I think you need a Chameleon to get a monowave now (?)

Yes :-)
All the Monowave's have sold out..
Buy a SoundArt Chameleon and you can download the MonowaveII app for free
:-)
Www.Modulus.Synth.net/mw2/

Paul
---------------------------------------------------------------
Modulus Synth page ;-
   Http://www.Modulus.synth.net/
PPG webpages
   Http://www.PPG.synth.net/

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:55:14 -0000, "Sayer" <sayersweb@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Which sound is the monowave making? 

The sort of PPG-ish one after the initial sequence (HPF pulse wave on
Evolver if memory serves) with the changing waves... I think there are
other, clearer examples in the same directory. Or there were, once...

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Maddox" 
<Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:

> > You can hear an earlier demo of the P3 driving Paul Nagle's 
monowave
> > here:
> > http://www.colinfraser.com/p3/demo2.mp3
> > It's got a really distinctive, hard edged sound I think.
> 
> you could try here ;-
> http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/demos.htm
> And download these two ;-
> http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/wavechange1.mp3
> http://www.modulus.synth.net/monowave/MonoWaving_Seq.mp3
> (care of Sir Nagle)

Aha! I did not make the connection that it is the synth you created 
Paul. I've heard your demos many times. :)

> Yes :-)
> All the Monowave's have sold out..
> Buy a SoundArt Chameleon and you can download the MonowaveII app 
for free
> :-)
> Www.Modulus.Synth.net/mw2/

Arghh! The Chameleon is so expensive though... :( 

Sayer

Sayer,

> Aha! I did not make the connection that it is the synth you created
> Paul. I've heard your demos many times. :)

hehe :-)

> Arghh! The Chameleon is so expensive though... :(

huh? £499 for a re-configurable module?
Asutralis is a 16 voice poly VA synth, and you'd pay 500quid for one of
those these days, let alone a good emulation of two TB303s, an 808 and a
909 in a rack (Farenheit)...
Ask Sir Nagle about the 'vocoder' - Infiltrator...

ok, its a lot pay for a monosynth granted, but thats my first efforts into
DSP, Im hoping to make it polyphonic soon..

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:

> > Arghh! The Chameleon is so expensive though... :(
> 
> huh? £499 for a re-configurable module?

Oh! I looked at the website and it says:
End User USA/Canada €795.00 + €80.00 + - = €875.00 

Is that in Euro then? I was thinking it was UKP. That's much better 
then!

> Asutralis is a 16 voice poly VA synth, and you'd pay 500quid for 
one of
> those these days, let alone a good emulation of two TB303s, an 808 
and a
> 909 in a rack (Farenheit)...
> Ask Sir Nagle about the 'vocoder' - Infiltrator...

Australis does look nice. The demos sound quite good too. The quality 
of the sound is quite good. 

The Fahrenheit demos are not quite as convincing to me sound-wise. 

> ok, its a lot pay for a monosynth granted, but thats my first 
efforts into
> DSP, Im hoping to make it polyphonic soon..

So, what is your take on the quality of the DSP sound in the 
Chameleon? Side by side with the monowave, what do you think of the 
sound character?

Oh..... I have not had gear lust for a long time now (except for the 
P3). Arghh! :)

I've made a promise to the wife that when any new synth comes in the 
door another must leave. So, this makes the decision more difficult! 
LOL!

Sayer

Sayer,

> Oh! I looked at the website and it says:
> End User USA/Canada €795.00 + €80.00 + - = €875.00

Hmm, in the UK turnkey sells them for £599 (I did originally say 499, I
got mixed up)

> Australis does look nice. The demos sound quite good too. The quality
> of the sound is quite good.

its a lovelly synth to play with :-)

> The Fahrenheit demos are not quite as convincing to me sound-wise.

Try some of the ones on my page under MR Zorg ;-
Www.modulus.Synth.net/mymusic/

> So, what is your take on the quality of the DSP sound in the
> Chameleon? Side by side with the monowave, what do you think of the
> sound character?

I personally prefer the MonowaveII (DSP), but I like the UI on the
Monowave. Paul Nagle has both aswell, what do you think Paul?

> Oh..... I have not had gear lust for a long time now (except for the
> P3). Arghh! :)

hehe :-)
Its fun, sort of nice and warm, kinda happy place to be...

> I've made a promise to the wife that when any new synth comes in the
> door another must leave. So, this makes the decision more difficult!
> LOL!

hehehe, its not a synth, its a Rackmounted DSP Processor! ;-)

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:

> > Oh! I looked at the website and it says:
> > End User USA/Canada €795.00 + €80.00 + - = €875.00
> 
> Hmm, in the UK turnkey sells them for £599 (I did originally say 
499, I
> got mixed up)

So, I'm still a bit confused. Is the price I listed above in Euros? 
I'm not familiar with these different monetary symbols. 

> > The Fahrenheit demos are not quite as convincing to me sound-wise.
> 
> Try some of the ones on my page under MR Zorg ;-
> Www.modulus.Synth.net/mymusic/

LOL! I was just there after looking in the Chameleon user forum. :)

I really like the latest track you posted.

The Chameleon can only have one module at a time loaded, right? So, 
you did some multi-tracking on that recording?
 
> I personally prefer the MonowaveII (DSP), but I like the UI on the
> Monowave. Paul Nagle has both aswell, what do you think Paul?

Interesting! 

> > Oh..... I have not had gear lust for a long time now (except for 
the
> > P3). Arghh! :)
> 
> hehe :-)
> Its fun, sort of nice and warm, kinda happy place to be...

Is that when gear lust is present or not? LOL!

Yes, I'm still in the mindset to have less gear, but make sure what I 
do have is very useful. I have a very hard time deciding which synths 
to get rid of.... even though it would make my life much easier. 

> hehehe, its not a synth, its a Rackmounted DSP Processor! ;-)

This is very similar to the explanation I am using for the P3!

Sayer

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:

> Paul Nagle has both aswell, what do you think Paul?

And why is it that Paul Nagle already owns every piece of gear I am 
interested in these days?  ;-)

He has been a great help to me with several of them recently. 

Sayer

Sayer,

> So, I'm still a bit confused. Is the price I listed above in Euros?
> I'm not familiar with these different monetary symbols.

No, sorry, its UKPounds

> LOL! I was just there after looking in the Chameleon user forum. :)
> I really like the latest track you posted.

Thanks..

> The Chameleon can only have one module at a time loaded, right? So,
> you did some multi-tracking on that recording?

yes, I actually cheated, I have two Chameleons :-)
But I still multitracked at, I did the first take with Australis in one
and Farenheit in the other and the second take with Infiltrator loaded
into one of them on 'sound mangling' duties.

> Is that when gear lust is present or not? LOL!

when its present and I'm itching to buy something..

> Yes, I'm still in the mindset to have less gear, but make sure what I
> do have is very useful. I have a very hard time deciding which synths
> to get rid of.... even though it would make my life much easier.

yes, I've reduced my setup quite a bit...
The PPGs are gone, I just have the JX10 as my master keyboard now..

> This is very similar to the explanation I am using for the P3!

its not a synth, its a sequencer, very different :-)

Paul

Sayer,

> And why is it that Paul Nagle already owns every piece of gear I am
> interested in these days?  ;-)

his lust for gear outweighs anyone else I fear :-)

Paul

on 05-11-2003 16:17, Paul.Maddox@synth.Net at Paul.Maddox@synth.Net wrote:

> Sayer,
> 
>> And why is it that Paul Nagle already owns every piece of gear I am
>> interested in these days?  ;-)
> 
> his lust for gear outweighs anyone else I fear :-)
> 
> Paul
> 
His lust for smokable gear as well...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:21:36 -0000 (GMT), <Paul.Maddox@synth.Net>
wrote:

>I personally prefer the MonowaveII (DSP), but I like the UI on the
>Monowave. Paul Nagle has both aswell, what do you think Paul?

I have the Infiltrator loaded pretty much permanently in the Chameleon
as it gives some effects I can't get from any of my other hardware
boxes. I would not swap the DSP Chameleon for my hardware one - but if
they had identical user interfaces it would be a harder choice. 

And if Paul makes the DSP version polyphonic its versatility would
make it very much more than the Monowave. But still I do love my
hardware beast....

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:
> Sayer,
> 
> > So, I'm still a bit confused. Is the price I listed above in 
Euros?
> > I'm not familiar with these different monetary symbols.
> 
> No, sorry, its UKPounds

Oh.... bummer! This won't be a purchase for me anytime soon then. 

Gear lust switched off. :(

Sayer

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <sayersweb@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Oh.... bummer! This won't be a purchase for me anytime soon then. 
> 
> Gear lust switched off. :(

Even bigger bummer... I just found out about a place here in the US 
that was selling the Chameleon for $499 USD, but they have stopper 
selling them. 

Why didn't you guys tell me about this synth two weeks ago? LOL! :)

Sayer

Hi there, 

Having just given in my deposit for the next run of pcbs, im thinking that it would be prudent to start getting together all the bits and pieces now.

So...

When you old hands built your p3s, you ordered the parts... Do any of you have records of what you ordered?  Recipts etc? 

What im getting at, is im slack, so a list of farnell/rapid/etc. part numbers would be a real bonus.

If not, it could be usefull to put together such a list for when the next run comes arround. I dont mind putting in the effort to do this (id have to do it anyway) but it would be nice for someone to check it over too, so as not too many people fall on my possible mistakes...

Cheers, julian




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sorry, should have looked harder before opening my mouth...

j

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:10 AM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] ordering parts (part number lists?)



  Hi there, 

  Having just given in my deposit for the next run of pcbs, im thinking that it would be prudent to start getting together all the bits and pieces now.

  So...

  When you old hands built your p3s, you ordered the parts... Do any of you have records of what you ordered?  Recipts etc? 

  What im getting at, is im slack, so a list of farnell/rapid/etc. part numbers would be a real bonus.

  If not, it could be usefull to put together such a list for when the next run comes arround. I dont mind putting in the effort to do this (id have to do it anyway) but it would be nice for someone to check it over too, so as not too many people fall on my possible mistakes...

  Cheers, julian




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Julian,

> sorry, should have looked harder before opening my mouth...

hehehe, no worries :-)
Colin, Have you thought about an index on your P3 page?

Paul

> Colin, Have you thought about an index on your P3 page?

I feel an index would eliminate the thrill of discovery.

i.e. I'm too lazy.
I'll put it on the list of things to do ;-)

Cheers,
Colin f

> You have an index for the list of things to do? ;P

At the moment my list of 'things to do' is a single line that reads:
"write list of other things to do"

Colin f

On Sunday 07 December 2003 18:21, Colin f wrote:
> > Colin, Have you thought about an index on your P3 page?
>
> I feel an index would eliminate the thrill of discovery.
>
> i.e. I'm too lazy.
> I'll put it on the list of things to do ;-)

You have an index for the list of things to do? ;P

- Robert

On Sunday 07 December 2003 19:33, Colin f wrote:
> > You have an index for the list of things to do? ;P
>
> At the moment my list of 'things to do' is a single line
> that reads: "write list of other things to do"

Lol, clever! :)