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Last wish for P3

Last wish for P3

2006-12-31 by turbotron69

My last desire for next year;

  The P3 is almost perfect now..but in order to sell THE MAQ 16/3 s I said when I got my 
P3 three years ago or so...  


In the Doepfer when you do a sequence you have 1 to 5 octaves to choose. The nice thing 
is that when you change the mode, the sequence automatically expands or reduces to 
that..transposing to the exact places on the fly...

That is very nice to get a bass sequence or  something good that you didn´t wanted at 
first.. a very good mode to improve things..

It is the only desire remain for the P3 .. others have been done by now.

Can it be done Colin?  

 I only wish I have had this P3 back in the middle of the  90´s....I have had almost all the 
step/analogue sequencers looking for this features.. and now are together.. Bad that 
Detroit techno and analogue seems " old" for the techno scene right now..  I could have 
instead learn " music career and be in 9th grade" but ...instead got tons of knobs and kilos 
of manuals..,

Happy 2007 to all of you!

Best wishes;

Hans

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Last wish for P3

2006-12-31 by Colin Fraser

> In the Doepfer when you do a sequence you have 1 to 5 octaves 
> to choose.

Which reminds me, I don't know if I mentioned the latest betas change the
note range settings from the 4 odd ranges to specific octave ranges.

> The nice thing 
> is that when you change the mode, the sequence automatically 
> expands or reduces to 
> that..transposing to the exact places on the fly...

Does that happen for stored patterns, or is it just re-scaling the positions
of the knobs in edit mode ?
If it does it for stored patterns, I guess they must store the absolute knob
position in the pattern, and do the scaling to a note value (limited by
range) at the time of playback.
P3 stores the note values themselves, so re-scaling to a wider range would
lose resolution.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: Last wish for P3/maq transpose behaviour

2006-12-31 by ferrograph632

>>Does that happen for stored patterns, or is it just re-scaling the
positions of the knobs in edit mode ?<<

good question.
we (r.m.i.) pretty much gave up using the memories in the maq because
when a preset is recalled, the knobs could be pointing any where. as
soon as you move one, it is rescanned & the new note is based on the
current "range" setting & the external transpose note number, if
applicable. 
however, any of the other knobs that are "dithering" between one value
& the next are also re-acquired as live steps & so the stored pattern
very quickly morphs into something new. it's as if the maq doesn't
rescan anything until one knob is moved, then it rescans all of them
after that.

(if you've seen us in concert, you may have seen steve "clearing the
decks", as he calls it. if all the maq's knobs are fully cw before a
preset is recalled, this minimises the potential for mishap. even so,
it's a bit dodgy.)


I'm pretty sure that recalling a pattern & then changing the
note-range for one or more rows will have no effect on the recalled
pattern until one of the knobs is rescanned.
so yes, it's the note numbers that are recalled, not the knob
orientation. I don't know about the external transpose- have to check.
I should know this- I've had maqs since 1993!

BUT while the maq is running "fully live", altering the range setting
for a row is quite a dramatic effect. 
this is especially useful, musically, if the maq's output is being
forced-to-scale by some mechanism. 
I have used custom patches in emu samplers & romplers to achieve this
(modified keygrouping in the sampler, user-tuning scales in the
romplers), aswell as dope-fer's own analogue quantiser (a156 I think)
to do the same thing with a pair of moogs. 
needles to sew, these days I put the maq's midi-out through the p3 &
let that do the FTS instead.

the effect of changing the row's range setting when the notes are
being forced to scale is that the riff stays the same "shape" but
spans different notes. so a three-note sequence on C, D# & G might end
up playing on C, G & C+1. imagine that effect on an 8 or 16 step
pattern, spread over two octaves & then being spread over four or five
octaves.... nice.

I can see why this would appeal as an option on the p3- to build a
riff & then change the note-range of the track (up or down) in order
to change the riff. 
it would have to be one of those track or global options, though,
because you might also want to build a track with high resolution
(e.g. one octave range) & then add a couple of notes with a lower
resolution but without messing up what you already did.
to be honest, I mostly enter pitch values using a keyboard anyway.

everyone understand this so far? I'm fighting a cold & an odd sort of
hangover with which mr nagle is surely familiar.. :-)

duncan/r.m.i.

Re: Last wish for P3

2006-12-31 by ferrograph632

>>Which reminds me, I don't know if I mentioned the latest betas
change the note range settings from the 4 odd ranges to specific
octave ranges.<<

a most welcome change, ta.

d.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Last wish for P3/maq transpose behaviour

2006-12-31 by Graham Getty

Though not the whole situation, it would be nice to have a global value
which could be set to either "jump" (ie the note jumps to the current knob
value) or "pickup" (ie the note only moves if the knob is scanned past the
current value).

 

This would facilitate more subtle morphing of patterns.

 

My KS Rack had this exact functionality added in a patch and I pretty much
use it in "pickup" mode constantly now.

 

.Graham

 

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we (r.m.i.) pretty much gave up using the memories in the maq because
when a preset is recalled, the knobs could be pointing any where. as
soon as you move one, it is rescanned & the new note is based on the
current "range" setting & the external transpose note number, if
applicable. 



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Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Last wish for P3/maq transpose behaviour

2006-12-31 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:
>
> it would have to be one of those track or global options, though,
> because you might also want to build a track with high resolution
> (e.g. one octave range) & then add a couple of notes with a lower
> resolution but without messing up what you already did.
>   

I kinda hoped this would appear one day as a kind of track effect - a 
compressor/expander that could be aimed at any parameter - pitch, 
velocity etc.

> everyone understand this so far? I'm fighting a cold & an odd sort of
> hangover with which mr nagle is surely familiar.. :-)
>   

At the moment, intimately... :)

Paul

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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Last wish for P3

2007-01-03 by Hans Greuber

Hi;

Doepfer MAQ only has a mode.No edit pattern no nothing.And it does not have 
re-scaling mode of the knobs...

The expand compress thing happens  when you go to the scale page and change 
1 to 5.. everytime works..

Hans


>
> > In the Doepfer when you do a sequence you have 1 to 5 octaves
> > to choose.
>
>Which reminds me, I don't know if I mentioned the latest betas change the
>note range settings from the 4 odd ranges to specific octave ranges.
>
> > The nice thing
> > is that when you change the mode, the sequence automatically
> > expands or reduces to
> > that..transposing to the exact places on the fly...
>
>Does that happen for stored patterns, or is it just re-scaling the 
>positions
>of the knobs in edit mode ?
>If it does it for stored patterns, I guess they must store the absolute 
>knob
>position in the pattern, and do the scaling to a note value (limited by
>range) at the time of playback.
>P3 stores the note values themselves, so re-scaling to a wider range would
>lose resolution.
>
>Best regards,
>Colin Fraser
>Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
>http://www.sequentix.com
>
>

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