Analogue-sequencer

Just joined the list, whats this about a new P3? a P4? Whats the memory 
expansion for?

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> Just joined the list, whats this about a new P3? a P4? Whats the memory 
> expansion for?
>
P4 is from the future. this is the P3 list.

P3, V4 however is a beta OS upgrade that significantly changes the way
you arrange patterns. 

From the site:
( http://www.sequentix.com/sq_order.htm )

The P3 MemX is a memory expansion board for the P3 Sequencer which
increases the internal RAM capacity from 64kB to 544kB.

Under v4, with the standard memory, there are 384 bars of pattern
storage shared between all 16 banks.
With the MemX board installed, there is a dedicated 224 bars of
pattern storage for every bank
- a total of 3,584 bars !

***
It's notable, for those who don't like to read into this stuff on
their own, that the memory expansion is only compatable with V4 OS.
V3 will still run on a P3 with the memX installed, but cannot take
advantage of the expanded memory.

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "discountpetfood"
<jeff@...> wrote:
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> Just joined the list, whats this about a new P3? a P4? Whats the memory 
> expansion for?
>
discount pet foods lulz

P3 successor is a ways off.
Memory facilitates patterns.

ehdyn


On 8/21/07, discountpetfood <jeff@arcosanti.org> wrote:
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> Just joined the list, whats this about a new P3? a P4? Whats the memory
> expansion for?
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discountpetfood (02:30 PM 8/21/2007) wrote:
 >
 >Just joined the list, whats this about a new P3? a P4? Whats the memory
 >expansion for?

Colin's been working on the successor.. Some tidbits on the main site, but 
more babble through the archives of the forum:
http://www.sequentix.com/

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/analogue-sequencer/


The memory expansion is for the P3, when it's running the new OS (v4, 
currently in beta). Some info here:
http://www.sequentix.com/sq_order.htm

http://www.sequentix.com/files/p3v4b-rev.txt



Mark

Hi;

I don´t need the mem expansion since I do minimal techno... all the track with the same pattern and like 20 analogues at the same time!

I have done tracks with an SQ10 so imagine with a P3 tweaking all the time live. That´s it.. If not Logic Audio will do " evolving tracks"...Honestly, I dislike the way P3 is turning... more like a Real Orchesta sequencer...let´s back to the step sequencer.. ( I know that Mr. C3P0 voice guy won´t agree but... )

What I really need are different ways of editing,as different lenght notes MC202 style, random,etc...


My two cents

Best;

Hans
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hi there,

> I don´t need the mem expansion since I do minimal techno... all the 
>track with the same pattern and like 20 analogues at the same time!

I see your point, as at first I thought I didn't really need the MemX 
thing, as I mainly use the P3 as a live writing tool, recording along 
with my DAW whenever it feels right, then deleting patterns and 
writing some new patterns (I'm no librarian freak). 

so overall, I guess it's still a wise move to expand memory and work 
with v4 (longer patterns etc.) but indeed you don't NEED the 
expansion to use v4
 
> I have done tracks with an SQ10 so imagine with a P3 tweaking all 
> the time live. That´s it.. If not Logic Audio will do " evolving 
>tracks"...Honestly, I dislike the way P3 is turning... more like a 
>Real Orchesta sequencer...let´s back to the step sequencer.. ( I 
>that Mr. C3P0 voice guy won´t agree but... )

:) not sure to understand where you're coming from, and who Mr C3PO 
is here, but to me the P3 is still very much a step sequencer, and 
dare I say, even more with its v4 incarnation, as you can now work 
with longer patterns.


> What I really need are different ways of editing,as different 
lenght notes MC202 style, random,etc...

??
well you can do all that with the P3 can't you ?
Aux events can do all sorts of random things if you want them to 
(random notes, random gate, random velo, random tie, random 
whatever), as for note length you need to use the Tie function or the 
Length 13 setting. 

re: minimal stuff, I suggest also that you try the Aux Events with 
Swap or Push or Grab functions (inter-track operations). Once you 
understand how it works, you will love it for minimal techno 
programming. The very very basic trick is to program a 3-step pattern 
on track 1, and, say, an 8-step pattern on track 2, then make your 8-
step pattern grab the notes or velocity or whatever fits your bill 
from the 3-step pattern. minimal groove guaranteed :) 

believe me, the P3 is a very deep instrument as far as learning curve 
is concerned, and it pays to practice it a lot... I recommand Paul 
Nagle's word tutorial it's really fun and instructive. also reading 
the manual (you know bathroom reading :) proved to be highly 
instructive and spawned ideas that no other sequencer could have made 
me think of. especially an SQ10 :)

now maybe if you don't like your P3 that much, you should sell it and 
buy another SQ10 or two ;)  ?

I have to disagree on that one Hans.
   
  I love the direction the P3 is going. It's plethora of ever evolving functions is both user led via requests on this forum and regularly updated at no extra cost to fulfil these requests in the interests of most (if not all) of us, by it's creator Colin. For once, due to a physical upgrade/expansion there is a small cost to pay but as allways it's up to the user whether or not they want or need it. The major V4 update i have found to be a revelation and more of a joy to work fluently with than the playlist edit of the many previous OS.
   
  What's more Dave has written a great software update in the form of P3Tools 2 (again cost zero to users), to further accommodate both the major V4 update and the memory expansion that will help any user looking to archive/backup their ever expanding P3 pattern base, though it can do more than just those basics...
   
  However, it's great that users can also opt to play or gig the P3 now with this massively increased internal storage, for performing say an albums worth of complex V4 tunes/banks without even the need for a laptop, which i recall Paul Nagle already likes to do and i can see why, as i'm sure do others. You can upload any previously stored banks or complete configurations from the Tools utility into the P3, ready for your gig and there's nearly 10 TIMES the amount of storage avalible before you run out of space to edit or have to opt for sysex!
   
  So as far as i can see we are getting the best of both worlds here in two ways: 
  hardware and software with expansion and updates respectively, together with vintage analogue-style step-sequencing but with digital pattern modulation/manipulation unique to this machine.
   
  I like some minimal techno and have also run sequences of the same patterns across tracks for a number of analogue monosynths, then just varying each patterns properties but i also like what i will call "maximal music" for purposes here, where there are different patterns playing on different parts of every track for many different instruments, each with many and varied aux functions, whether the variations are subtle or dynamic, for those uniquely P3 made ever-evolving structures, again without the need for external automation via Logic/Live or with any access to a PC/Mac. 
   
  Indeed like different parts of an orchestra, which is a very good thing to be able to do for those that want it, if you ask me. Some of my favourite techno/electronic acts/tracks have a significant orchestral element in them, be it in arrangements, instruments, dynamics, etc.
   
  Just giving the other side of the coin Hans, for those newer to the group who might be interested to hear what some think are the positive aspects to recent P3 developments.
  As you can tell, i'm a believer...;-)
   
  Will be interested to hear any of your tues and i'm looking to get some posted on web myself as soon as this conductor gets his a**e i nto gear!
   
  Regards,
  Kev.
     

Hans Greuber <turbotron69@hotmail.com> wrote:
          

Hi;

I don´t need the mem expansion since I do minimal techno... all the track with the same pattern and like 20 analogues at the same time!

I have done tracks with an SQ10 so imagine with a P3 tweaking all the time live. That´s it.. If not Logic Audio will do " evolving tracks"...Honestly, I dislike the way P3 is turning... more like a Real Orchesta sequencer...let´s back to the step sequencer.. ( I know that Mr. C3P0 voice guy won´t agree but... )

What I really need are different ways of editing,as different lenght notes MC202 style, random,etc...

My two cents

Best;

Hans
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Hi all;

First of all; I´m not bashing P3, it´s the best sequencer by far. And Colin a great guy.One of the things that have turned P3 even better are the interaction betwen Colin and all of us... Something really unimaginable back in the times I got my first sampler ( Prophet 2002)...so imagine the time...

I own one of the first P3 ever, even Colin inclosed several of my request features.
I was only giving my point of view since I prefer more editing feautures than evoling things..most of my patterns are half a pattern.. so imagine why do I need 8948934596596345 pages of a manual or memory left.

 Regarding this..We all agree in that we did best music when we knew less about producing..   I remember my days with all the best fx and $$$$$ synths here.. tons of them and days and days  just lost looking for the best kick compression...the best predelay for one unaduble reverb..stupid freak detailsinstead of really turn on the dat and jam...

I own/ owned several sequencers and still use MAQ16/3, MC 202 for features that would like to have implemented here( to get rid of them) instead of aux things that I will ever use...or learn to them  while diarrea comes... 

Thanks for your comment, I´l try your recomendations.

I don´t like mp3 but for all interested on my sound.. please listen to Robert Hood " movable parts" and early D-Jaxx up beats,  early dark Detroit techno.. then you´ll understand me.

And P3 user used to say when he was a proper dj and a real producer( sorry to say Richie);

Less is more...

Best;

Hans

________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: otison@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:22:48 +0000> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: My two cents about memory expansion>> hi there,>> I don´t need the mem expansion since I do minimal techno... all the>>track with the same pattern and like 20 analogues at the same time!> I see your point, as at first I thought I didn't really need the MemX> thing, as I mainly use the P3 as a live writing tool, recording along> with my DAW whenever it feels right, then deleting patterns and> writing some new patterns (I'm no librarian freak).> so overall, I guess it's still a wise move to expand memory and work> with v4 (longer patterns etc.) but indeed you don't NEED the> expansion to use v4>> I have done tracks with an SQ10 so imagine with a P3 tweaking all>> the time live. That´s it.. If not Logic Audio will do " evolving>>tracks"...Honestly, I dislike the way P3 is turning... more like a>>Real Orchesta sequencer...let´s back to the step sequencer.. ( I>>that Mr. C3P0 voice guy won´t agree but... )> :) not sure to understand where you're coming from, and who Mr C3PO> is here, but to me the P3 is still very much a step sequencer, and> dare I say, even more with its v4 incarnation, as you can now work> with longer patterns.>> What I really need are different ways of editing,as different> lenght notes MC202 style, random,etc...> ??> well you can do all that with the P3 can't you ?> Aux events can do all sorts of random things if you want them to> (random notes, random gate, random velo, random tie, random> whatever), as for note length you need to use the Tie function or the> Length 13 setting.> re: minimal stuff, I suggest also that you try the Aux Events with> Swap or Push or Grab functions (inter-track operations). Once you> understand how it works, you will love it for minimal techno> programming. The very very basic trick is to program a 3-step pattern> on track 1, and, say, an 8-step pattern on track 2, then make your 8-> step pattern grab the notes or velocity or whatever fits your bill> from the 3-step pattern. minimal groove guaranteed :)> believe me, the P3 is a very deep instrument as far as learning curve> is concerned, and it pays to practice it a lot... I recommand Paul> Nagle's word tutorial it's really fun and instructive. also reading> the manual (you know bathroom reading :) proved to be highly> instructive and spawned ideas that no other sequencer could have made> me think of. especially an SQ10 :)> now maybe if you don't like your P3 that much, you should sell it and> buy another SQ10 or two ;) ?> 

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Hans Greuber wrote:

> Less is more...

Confusingly enough, more is more also; more so, in fact.

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> I own/ owned several sequencers and still use MAQ16/3, MC 202 for
features that would like to have implemented here( to get rid of them)
instead of aux things that I will ever use...or learn to them  while
diarrea comes... 
> 
> Thanks for your comment, I�l try your recomendations.

I see what you mean, you seem to be an old time user of the P3. I'd
say it complements well analogue sequencers, imitating in some ways,
while being MIDI hence opening many new doors to sound control. The
thing is, I used to learn on one of those Yamaha QX-5 sequencer man it
was such a pain to use and still managed to learn it after time. okay
xOx and analogue sequencer are fun because they're so directly
interacting... but still they are one way amongst others to make
music. each offers things that are unique and to me the P3 made me go
towards new stuff that are not complex evolutions of tangerine dream
themes... the P3 has character and is definitely a musical instrument
in its own right.

I too like that techno sound you mentionned; in fact my discovery of
electronic music grew up to the electronic sounds of Mr Hood and while
still being from a rock'n'roll sound background . Sonic Youth & Velvet
Underground were my favorite bands in my teenage years . Call me an
old buddy but If I dig long enough in my vinyl collection in the
basement, I will for sure find these Djaxx ups again. I used to play
them a lot back in the days, but time has gone, and I've gone to other
exciting things. 2nd wave detroit sound circa 93-94 is also powerful
and I'm sure I still have a forgotten box of records downstairs where
I will find "collectors" that I bought when they first went out :) 
as for the real real real collectors of electronic dance music I was
too young when Cybotron first came out :( but still I know my classics
, and I'm glad to see someone like you actually


> I don�t like mp3 but for all interested on my sound.. please listen
to Robert Hood " movable parts" and early D-Jaxx up beats,  early dark
Detroit techno.. then you�ll understand me.
> 
> And P3 user used to say when he was a proper dj and a real producer(
sorry to say Richie);
> 
> Less is more...

did he say that ? then if he did, he should have sticked to the
Spastik era cause the rest was just evolutions of his seminal tracks.
Still, he did further great tracks later on. Music overall is changing
and he is still a great musician.
I am personally on a period of heavy rotations of Deep Chord various
releases. Berlin meets Detroit. Maurizio meets Model 500. highly
recommended for peaceful moments . 

cheers,
Olivier

HOLY CRAP MY HEAD IS SPINNING iT'S ALL JUST SO *DEEP*

**
Hans-
telling us what music you like doesn't really tell us much about YOUR music.
You might have 20 analog beasts growling, but fer friggs sake man- share it
with us!!! I don't think anybody minds if it's mp3...

On 8/26/07, Paul Nagle <softroom@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>   Hans Greuber wrote:
>
> > Less is more...
>
> Confusingly enough, more is more also; more so, in fact.
>
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Hi;

Mauricio,Suburban Knight,early surgeon stuff,dj hyperactive etc.... 

That´s it.. mostly 94_96 stuff...

Best




________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: otison@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:28:56 +0000> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: My two cents about memory expansion>>> I own/ owned several sequencers and still use MAQ16/3, MC 202 for> features that would like to have implemented here( to get rid of them)> instead of aux things that I will ever use...or learn to them while> diarrea comes...>>>> Thanks for your comment, I�l try your recomendations.> I see what you mean, you seem to be an old time user of the P3. I'd> say it complements well analogue sequencers, imitating in some ways,> while being MIDI hence opening many new doors to sound control. The> thing is, I used to learn on one of those Yamaha QX-5 sequencer man it> was such a pain to use and still managed to learn it after time. okay> xOx and analogue sequencer are fun because they're so directly> interacting... but still they are one way amongst others to make> music. each offers things that are unique and to me the P3 made me go> towards new stuff that are not complex evolutions of tangerine dream> themes... the P3 has character and is definitely a musical instrument> in its own right.> I too like that techno sound you mentionned; in fact my discovery of> electronic music grew up to the electronic sounds of Mr Hood and while> still being from a rock'n'roll sound background . Sonic Youth & Velvet> Underground were my favorite bands in my teenage years . Call me an> old buddy but If I dig long enough in my vinyl collection in the> basement, I will for sure find these Djaxx ups again. I used to play> them a lot back in the days, but time has gone, and I've gone to other> exciting things. 2nd wave detroit sound circa 93-94 is also powerful> and I'm sure I still have a forgotten box of records downstairs where> I will find "collectors" that I bought when they first went out :)> as for the real real real collectors of electronic dance music I was> too young when Cybotron first came out :( but still I know my classics> , and I'm glad to see someone like you actually>> I don�t like mp3 but for all interested on my sound.. please listen> to Robert Hood " movable parts" and early D-Jaxx up beats, early dark> Detroit techno.. then you�ll understand me.>>>> And P3 user used to say when he was a proper dj and a real producer(> sorry to say Richie);>>>> Less is more...> did he say that ? then if he did, he should have sticked to the> Spastik era cause the rest was just evolutions of his seminal tracks.> Still, he did further great tracks later on. Music overall is changing> and he is still a great musician.> I am personally on a period of heavy rotations of Deep Chord various> releases. Berlin meets Detroit. Maurizio meets Model 500. highly> recommended for peaceful moments .> cheers,> Olivier> 

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>>Confusingly enough, more is more also; more so, in fact.<<

I couldn't find the aux event for notes-repeat on the paypal page, so
I had to do the whole thing twice in order to order twice. 
if you see what I mean.

did I say how much the polyphonic record rules, btw? reminds me of
when I used to use a poly-800 to record chord sequences, only now it
can interact with mc-202 type (long) sequences & maq16/3 type (short)
sequences, all out of one box.
last time out, I was using pattern xpos settings on-the-fly to mimic
my favourite notron effect. I wonder if it would one day be possible
to map more external midi events onto these parameters, so that one
might use a mod wheel as a live editor for some of the p3 parameters-
associate some midi CCs with the "grab knob" events. or is this
already there & I missed a meeting?
I'm using a repeater as my master clock these days- I wish there was a
way that the p3 could still indicate the actual tempo despite being
midi-clocked, but that's about all.... :-)

d.

I guess this D guy has been using for a long  long  time a Doepfer product that I suggested on their list;

Doepfer Anal Ring controller...able to control midi CC´s by farting and/or anal pressure.

Or even he has been touching for so long an smelling  WC .. thinking it was a Latronic Notron...

Best;

Hans




________________________________> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> From: ferrograph@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:50:58 +0000> Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: My two cents about memory expansion>>>>Confusingly enough, more is more also; more so, in fact.<<> I couldn't find the aux event for notes-repeat on the paypal page, so> I had to do the whole thing twice in order to order twice.> if you see what I mean.> did I say how much the polyphonic record rules, btw? reminds me of> when I used to use a poly-800 to record chord sequences, only now it> can interact with mc-202 type (long) sequences & maq16/3 type (short)> sequences, all out of one box.> last time out, I was using pattern xpos settings on-the-fly to mimic> my favourite notron effect. I wonder if it would one day be possible> to map more external midi events onto these parameters, so that one> might use a mod wheel as a live editor for some of the p3 parameters-> associate some midi CCs with the "grab knob" events. or is this> already there & I missed a meeting?> I'm using a repeater as my master clock these days- I wish there was a> way that the p3 could still indicate the actual tempo despite being> midi-clocked, but that's about all.... :-)> d.> 

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>>I guess this D guy has been using for a long  long  time a Doepfer
product that I suggested on their list;
> 
> Doepfer Anal Ring controller...<<

charming. you know, the traditional email etiquette to signify a
remark intended to be humorous is something like :-) or ;-).


duncan (from radio massacre international, & known round here as "d").

Hi buddy;

I´m in my old studio here on vacation,I don´t have any midi synth
that I can try your trick here. Just  a couple of analogues trought a PRO4..

so no velocity,no etc...

Could you send me a sound file so I can listen to your trick please?

Thanks in advice man!

Hans





--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "otison" <otison@...> wrote:

>
> hi there,
> 
> > I don´t need the mem expansion since I do minimal techno... all the 
> >track with the same pattern and like 20 analogues at the same time!
> 
> I see your point, as at first I thought I didn't really need the MemX 
> thing, as I mainly use the P3 as a live writing tool, recording along 
> with my DAW whenever it feels right, then deleting patterns and 
> writing some new patterns (I'm no librarian freak). 
> 
> so overall, I guess it's still a wise move to expand memory and work 
> with v4 (longer patterns etc.) but indeed you don't NEED the 
> expansion to use v4
>  
> > I have done tracks with an SQ10 so imagine with a P3 tweaking all 
> > the time live. That´s it.. If not Logic Audio will do " evolving 
> >tracks"...Honestly, I dislike the way P3 is turning... more like a 
> >Real Orchesta sequencer...let´s back to the step sequencer.. ( I 
> >that Mr. C3P0 voice guy won´t agree but... )
> 
> :) not sure to understand where you're coming from, and who Mr C3PO 
> is here, but to me the P3 is still very much a step sequencer, and 
> dare I say, even more with its v4 incarnation, as you can now work 
> with longer patterns.
> 
> 
> > What I really need are different ways of editing,as different 
> lenght notes MC202 style, random,etc...
> 
> ??
> well you can do all that with the P3 can't you ?
> Aux events can do all sorts of random things if you want them to 
> (random notes, random gate, random velo, random tie, random 
> whatever), as for note length you need to use the Tie function or the 
> Length 13 setting. 
> 
> re: minimal stuff, I suggest also that you try the Aux Events with 
> Swap or Push or Grab functions (inter-track operations). Once you 
> understand how it works, you will love it for minimal techno 
> programming. The very very basic trick is to program a 3-step pattern 
> on track 1, and, say, an 8-step pattern on track 2, then make your 8-
> step pattern grab the notes or velocity or whatever fits your bill 
> from the 3-step pattern. minimal groove guaranteed :) 
> 
> believe me, the P3 is a very deep instrument as far as learning curve 
> is concerned, and it pays to practice it a lot... I recommand Paul 
> Nagle's word tutorial it's really fun and instructive. also reading 
> the manual (you know bathroom reading :) proved to be highly 
> instructive and spawned ideas that no other sequencer could have made 
> me think of. especially an SQ10 :)
> 
> now maybe if you don't like your P3 that much, you should sell it and 
> buy another SQ10 or two ;)  ?
>