Analogue-sequencer

Can you have one CK pattern, being recorded/played over the top of a number of P3 patterns, or do CK and P3 patterns both have to be the same length?

John

Thanks for your quick reply Colin.
I understand that P3 patterns are for the step seq side and that CK patterns can be used for recording chords/basslines/leads etc in a linear fashion.
Is the CK side able to record and edit in depth, cut/paste/copy etc as say on an Akai MPC?
Could the CK pattern side replace a linear hardware sequencer?

John


--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@...> wrote:

>
>  
> > Can you have one CK pattern, being recorded/played over the 
> > top of a number of P3 patterns, or do CK and P3 patterns both 
> > have to be the same length?
> 
> Patterns can all be different lengths.
> They each start at the beginning, and loop at their own length. P3 patterns
> have an optional bar loop, so they can have a start section that only plays
> once, followed by a looping section.
> If you are in song mode (advancing through scenes) each scene's length
> determines when the tracks will advance to the next set of patterns.
> Ck patterns have their length set in bars.
> P3 patterns have up to 16 bars, but each bar can be set with a different
> numnber of steps, so they can end up with lengths that aren't a whole number
> of bars.
> There's a gbar-sync option for each bar to force them to fit into the global
> bar size.
> 
> Cheers,
> Colin
>

> Can you have one CK pattern, being recorded/played over the 
> top of a number of P3 patterns, or do CK and P3 patterns both 
> have to be the same length?

Patterns can all be different lengths.
They each start at the beginning, and loop at their own length. P3 patterns
have an optional bar loop, so they can have a start section that only plays
once, followed by a looping section.
If you are in song mode (advancing through scenes) each scene's length
determines when the tracks will advance to the next set of patterns.
Ck patterns have their length set in bars.
P3 patterns have up to 16 bars, but each bar can be set with a different
numnber of steps, so they can end up with lengths that aren't a whole number
of bars.
There's a gbar-sync option for each bar to force them to fit into the global
bar size.

Cheers,
Colin

> Is the CK side able to record and edit in depth, 
> cut/paste/copy etc as say on an Akai MPC?
> Could the CK pattern side replace a linear hardware sequencer?

Not yet, but it will before long.
The primary function of the ck patterns was to support polyphonic drum
patterns.
I worked through a few different ways of doing those, starting with
variations on the P3 pattern format, but ultimately decided that the event
list was probably the most efficient way of doing it.
Plus it had the added advantage of handling poly keyboard parts with
controller streams.
The OS so far has had most of the effort in ck patterns geared towards
percussion programming via grid edit.
There is an event list editor, but it isn't as functional as the MPC one.
In fact, I'm looking at re-writing the event list editor to make it more
like the MPC, after having played around with an MPC60 for the first time a
few months ago.
At the moment you get one big list, like in Cubase. You can step through it
by bars, but it can be tricky to keep track of how bar, beat and tick
numbers relate to the equivalent 'step' positions in a P3 pattern.
The MPC method of showing you the events within a single step worth of time
will fit the Cirklon user interface better.

Cheers,
Colin

> There is an event list editor, but it isn't as functional as the MPC one.
> In fact, I'm looking at re-writing the event list editor to make it more
> like the MPC, after having played around with an MPC60 for the first time a
> few months ago.

I've used an Akai ASQ10, so know exactly how such a feature could work. Sounds a really good future upgrade.

One other question about CK patterns....
Can you record an unquantised part to a CK pattern, and what is the ppqn resolution for a CK pattern?

John

> Can you record an unquantised part to a CK pattern, and what 
> is the ppqn resolution for a CK pattern?

You can only record un-quantised at the moment.
There is real-time quantise at the track level, so you can set it up so that
whatever you record plays back quantised as soon as it loops.
You can also apply quantisation in pattern edit, so the recorded start-times
are permanently moved to the grid.
I'm going to add quantise-on-record as another option, because the track
level quantise is also used for applying swing on playback.
Sloppy notes can end up on the wrong beat if you forget you haven't applied
quantise. 

PPQN is 192.

Cheers,
Colin