Yahoo Groups archive

Analogue-sequencer

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 23:15 UTC

Thread

RE: [analogue-sequencer] MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher

RE: [analogue-sequencer] MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher

2012-02-25 by ditton33@virginmedia.com

Nice. I like it.
 
And the link to the P3/Cirklon is?...


  _____  
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Liese, HaJo
Sent: 25 February 2012 18:10
To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [analogue-sequencer] MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld
with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher


  

Hello,

her is my first hands on test of the custom build MIDI RATSCHE (Midi
Ratchit) build by Georg Mahr.

This is a custom project of Till Kopper and Hajo Liese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1cF-qr-Jis

The Blofeld play all the noises including Drums in multimode, no more
effects

Have fun

Hajo

www.georgmahr.de <http://www.georgmahr.de/> 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher

2012-02-25 by Liese, HaJo

Hello,

 

her is my first hands on test of the custom build  MIDI RATSCHE (Midi
Ratchit) build by Georg Mahr.

 

This is a custom project of Till Kopper and Hajo Liese.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1cF-qr-Jis

 

The Blofeld play all the noises including Drums in multimode, no more
effects

 

Have fun

 

Hajo

 

 

www.georgmahr.de <http://www.georgmahr.de/> 

 

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher

2012-02-26 by duncan

>>And the link to the P3/Cirklon is?...<<

oh that's easy. "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". :-)

here's what I wrote on the waldorf forum in response to the same posting:

>>I don't want to upset anyone, least of all georg, who is a very talented engineer, but.....

this appears to be a switchable midi echo effect. in this demo, it's not very close to the "TD" effect alluded to. it's a nice effect, but....

anyone who is curious about the effect that this is apparently intended to emulate, listen to chris franke's sequencer work at the start of the "stratosfear" album by tangerine dream.

I have analysed this section, & over the last twenty+ years have emulated it in a number of ways, starting by individual programming of the extra notes on an alesis MMT8 sequencer.

the notron sequencer had "overdrive" to create a rapid midi echo "triplet" or "trill" effect.
the sequentix P3 & cirklon both have adjustable note-repeat functions that do the same thing.

in both of those cases, the repeats are explicitly locked to the underlying timebase, & a much tighter rhythmic effect is achieved.

I think the same thing could be added to the schritt if enough people asked for it (as some of us did with the P3); I don't know, because I don't know how the code is shaped or whether there's a culture of updating it at the users' request.

BUT going back to TD for a moment, the effect in question is difficult to reproduce precisely, not because of the way it was achieved (multiple moog 960 sequencers running at different speeds, summing the gate signals at the required steps) but because *the extra notes are before the beat*.

this playing-a-triplet-ahead-of-the-beat is a standard drummer trick, a form of drum-roll, which franke would've been familiar with as a jazz drummer.

when you program a triplet so that the last note (not the first) lands on the beat, the effect is quite different & much more musical.

if it was implemented on a hardware sequencer (& it would have to be built-in rather than an add-on "midi echo" device), it would be very useful for drum-track programming as well as the standard "berlin school" tricks.<<

duncan.

Re: MIDI hardware Ratchit controlling the Bloefeld with the help of Manikin Schrittmacher

2012-02-26 by duncan

in an act of shameless-self-promotion-with-the-aim-of-improving-understanding-of-the-topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-cYUEuzeJs&feature=channel

the effect is on the "harp" line that appears around 2'40, & was created by adding triplet-notes before the beat, manually, on an alesis MMT8.

in this clip (& apologies for the audio quality) the notron is adding the extra notes after the beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIqRyN1rx4U&feature=channel

duncan.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.