Analogue systems

Hey everybody,

I'm really interested in some pieces of equipment but really don't
know what to choose for what I want.I'd like to purchase an analogue
synthetiser/module that allows me create simple and complex sounds
with a lot of flexibility.I have enough budget to get something but I
don't want to purchase a piece I won't use neither.

I've really liked the sound of all the demos posted on the AS website,
in the same time,i like stuff like moog voyager, Vermona perfourmer,
Studio electronics Omega 8, etc...

Is the purchase of a piece like the RS integrator system 1 could blow
away all the previous brands in term of sound ? Can I get away with a
Spawn and be happy with it ? or should I simply get a Minimonster tiny
EMS (RS-95 VCO, RS-510e, RS-500e in a box) ???

Please I need your advices !

Diesel

It would almost be easier if you gave an indication as
to what sort of work you might be interested in
creating,but giving it a whirl, I think you could
choose one of two or more approaches.
Choice A has you developing whatever knowledge needed
to make an analytical decision as to what sort of
instrument in whatever configuration you see fit.
Choice B has you making a best guess leap of faith
based either on how you might emotionally respond to
whatever  factors a given instrument may seem to
exude.
From there one chooses more or less to work within the
whatever limitations imposed by the system.
I suppose choice C, the one you may have started with,
has you looking to others. Trouble there is probably
the question of the musical sense any of the advice
givers may possess.
Any of the instruments you listed are absolutely
wonderful, I have a small AS  system 1 and I'm very
happy with it. But I don't make tonal music,and very
rarely involve common rhythms. Plus I nearly always
subject my work to some sort of digital goofing such
as c sound. So instruments such as the Voyager might
be less than sensible for what I do(even though they
look really snazzy!)
If you need midi, and desire keyboard control, the
Spawn looks really nice, and you can very easily
extend it's capabilities with more AS modules.
Don

--- rapfellernyc <diesel@rapfeller.com> wrote:

> Hey everybody,
> 
> I'm really interested in some pieces of equipment
> but really don't
> know what to choose for what I want.I'd like to
> purchase an analogue
> synthetiser/module that allows me create simple and
> complex sounds
> with a lot of flexibility.I have enough budget to
> get something but I
> don't want to purchase a piece I won't use neither.
> 
> I've really liked the sound of all the demos posted
> on the AS website,
> in the same time,i like stuff like moog voyager,
> Vermona perfourmer,
> Studio electronics Omega 8, etc...
> 
> Is the purchase of a piece like the RS integrator
> system 1 could blow
> away all the previous brands in term of sound ? Can
> I get away with a
> Spawn and be happy with it ? or should I simply get
> a Minimonster tiny
> EMS (RS-95 VCO, RS-510e, RS-500e in a box) ???
> 
> Please I need your advices !
> 
> Diesel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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please do not buy the Omega 8.  It sounds loud and bright but has very 
little routing.  The Moog Voyager is a bit of a one trick pony,  it 
does all the classic (old) Moog sounds but is about £700 over priced.  
I tried loads of synths before I bought the RS 8000 and I am very happy 
that I chose the right one.  The sound is very "earthy" and useable and 
surprising and enjoyable.  If I had to take one piece of equipment to a 
desert island,  it would be the Analogue Systems RS 8000.

Good Luck!

Alex


On 1 Apr 2006, at 03:28, rapfellernyc wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
>  I'm really interested in some pieces of equipment but really don't
>  know what to choose for what I want.I'd like to purchase an analogue
>  synthetiser/module that allows me create simple and complex sounds
>  with a lot of flexibility.I have enough budget to get something but I
>  don't want to purchase a piece I won't use neither.
>
>  I've really liked the sound of all the demos posted on the AS website,
>  in the same time,i like stuff like moog voyager, Vermona perfourmer,
>  Studio electronics Omega 8, etc...
>
>  Is the purchase of a piece like the RS integrator system 1 could blow
>  away all the previous brands in term of sound ? Can I get away with a
>  Spawn and be happy with it ? or should I simply get a Minimonster tiny
>  EMS (RS-95 VCO, RS-510e, RS-500e in a box) ???
>
>  Please I need your advices !
>
>  Diesel
>
>
>
>
>
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The type of music i do is Hip Hop and R&B, but I want to incorporate
some new sounds in my productions... here's an idea of the type of
sounds I really like:

-http://www.vermona.com/download/samples/per4mer/enport/wav/melody.wav

-http://www.websitehub.plus.com/anasyssnd/dis-intergrator.mp3

-http://www.studioelectronics.com/assets/se_omega8_demo_1.mp3

the first MP3 is from the Vermona Performer, the second MP3 is from
the AS website, and the third MP3 is a demo of the Omega 8.

Please let me know if u know what machine is capable of reproducing
all these sounds (Spawn, RS integrator 1 ?)

Thank u

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, don hassler <dlh30039@...> wrote:

>
> It would almost be easier if you gave an indication as
> to what sort of work you might be interested in
> creating,but giving it a whirl, I think you could
> choose one of two or more approaches.
> Choice A has you developing whatever knowledge needed
> to make an analytical decision as to what sort of
> instrument in whatever configuration you see fit.
> Choice B has you making a best guess leap of faith
> based either on how you might emotionally respond to
> whatever  factors a given instrument may seem to
> exude.
> From there one chooses more or less to work within the
> whatever limitations imposed by the system.
> I suppose choice C, the one you may have started with,
> has you looking to others. Trouble there is probably
> the question of the musical sense any of the advice
> givers may possess.
> Any of the instruments you listed are absolutely
> wonderful, I have a small AS  system 1 and I'm very
> happy with it. But I don't make tonal music,and very
> rarely involve common rhythms. Plus I nearly always
> subject my work to some sort of digital goofing such
> as c sound. So instruments such as the Voyager might
> be less than sensible for what I do(even though they
> look really snazzy!)
> If you need midi, and desire keyboard control, the
> Spawn looks really nice, and you can very easily
> extend it's capabilities with more AS modules.
> Don
> 
> --- rapfellernyc <diesel@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hey everybody,
> > 
> > I'm really interested in some pieces of equipment
> > but really don't
> > know what to choose for what I want.I'd like to
> > purchase an analogue
> > synthetiser/module that allows me create simple and
> > complex sounds
> > with a lot of flexibility.I have enough budget to
> > get something but I
> > don't want to purchase a piece I won't use neither.
> > 
> > I've really liked the sound of all the demos posted
> > on the AS website,
> > in the same time,i like stuff like moog voyager,
> > Vermona perfourmer,
> > Studio electronics Omega 8, etc...
> > 
> > Is the purchase of a piece like the RS integrator
> > system 1 could blow
> > away all the previous brands in term of sound ? Can
> > I get away with a
> > Spawn and be happy with it ? or should I simply get
> > a Minimonster tiny
> > EMS (RS-95 VCO, RS-510e, RS-500e in a box) ???
> > 
> > Please I need your advices !
> > 
> > Diesel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Along the lines of what Don said...you should seriously take stock of
your nature and how you like to work.  Investigate what's involved in
using a modular in relation to production efficiency and flow.  Check
out some of the Sound on Sound site's articles, or track down the old
ARP 2600 manual online.  

Another thing, my midi/cv converter will simply not work with my PC. 
The designer of the module has been trying to help me figure out the
problem.

Good luck.

gary



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "rapfellernyc" <diesel@...>
wrote:

>
> Hey everybody,
> 
> I'm really interested in some pieces of equipment but really don't
> know what to choose for what I want.I'd like to purchase an analogue
> synthetiser/module that allows me create simple and complex sounds
> with a lot of flexibility.I have enough budget to get something but I
> don't want to purchase a piece I won't use neither.
> 
> I've really liked the sound of all the demos posted on the AS website,
> in the same time,i like stuff like moog voyager, Vermona perfourmer,
> Studio electronics Omega 8, etc...
> 
> Is the purchase of a piece like the RS integrator system 1 could blow
> away all the previous brands in term of sound ? Can I get away with a
> Spawn and be happy with it ? or should I simply get a Minimonster tiny
> EMS (RS-95 VCO, RS-510e, RS-500e in a box) ???
> 
> Please I need your advices !
> 
> Diesel
>

Something worth noting about the original post is, intentional for comparison reasons or 
not, none of those synths he liked are true modular synths. 

So that to me implies while you can make sounds like those with a modular, perhaps what 
he really wants to focus on needs an analog synth but not an actual analog modular?

That said, you can make all sorts of sounds with a decent modular that you can't do with 
those synths.

> 
> please do not buy the Omega 8.  It sounds loud and bright but has very 
> little routing.  

Absolutely true as the comparison stresses the ability to behave like a modular synth. It 
simply doesn't and isn't ever going to. On the other hand it has the ability to play chords 
and store and recall patches once you've made them.

The chord aspect of playing melodies is something you'd need to invest a real fortune in a 
real modular to even attempt to do.  It's one of those compromises. 

The Moog Voyager is a bit of a one trick pony,  it 
> does all the classic (old) Moog sounds but is about £700 over priced.  

Well in England you have expenses from customs, local importing, and that Welshman who  
scooped up the name "Moog" under British law so he could market his clones 
unsucessfully. That Welshman doesn't have legal claims in other countries but there's still 
some additional cost for Analogue Systems outside of England.

You can't make the claim that the Voyager is a true modular synth but you can make the 
claim that it semi-modular or make an excellent part of a more extensive music setup.
You can of course store it's patches so long as they don't use the patch cords.

You can make quite a few more sounds than classic Moog sounds but you can go further 
with a medium sized modular synth. 

There's no perfect synth otherwise everyone would just buy that one. You kind of have to 
ask about the benefits or minuses of a particular synth or system. With a modular you 
have a great deal to explore but also a synth that takes time. You find great things 
exploring it, but on the other hand it's not a very great way to work on something for a 
deadline or while someone is waiting for you to play. I know the last couple personal 
deadlines I missed were because I wanted to use modular synths. On the other hand you 
have a much better chance at making sounds that other people aren't all using.

Thank you, What you're saying is making sense.
I definitely don't want to use the same presets than everybody else in
the kind of music that i'm doing. In the same time do I want to spend
 long hours creating sounds without being educated on sound designing
? I don't know...
Does the Spawn would be a good choice to start with, being that it's
semi-modular, and less expensive ?

The reason why I'm talking about modular synths in these posts is
because it seems obvious to me that sounds possibilities are far
beyond a regular analog synth...I just feel something when I listen to
the demos !


--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas_kent"
<nicholas_kent@...> wrote:
>
> Something worth noting about the original post is, intentional for
comparison reasons or 
> not, none of those synths he liked are true modular synths. 
> 
> So that to me implies while you can make sounds like those with a
modular, perhaps what 
> he really wants to focus on needs an analog synth but not an actual
analog modular?
> 
> That said, you can make all sorts of sounds with a decent modular
that you can't do with 
> those synths.
> 
> > 
> > please do not buy the Omega 8.  It sounds loud and bright but has
very 
> > little routing.  
> 
> Absolutely true as the comparison stresses the ability to behave
like a modular synth. It 
> simply doesn't and isn't ever going to. On the other hand it has the
ability to play chords 
> and store and recall patches once you've made them.
> 
> The chord aspect of playing melodies is something you'd need to
invest a real fortune in a 
> real modular to even attempt to do.  It's one of those compromises. 
> 
> The Moog Voyager is a bit of a one trick pony,  it 
> > does all the classic (old) Moog sounds but is about £700 over
priced.  
> 
> Well in England you have expenses from customs, local importing, and
that Welshman who  
> scooped up the name "Moog" under British law so he could market his
clones 
> unsucessfully. That Welshman doesn't have legal claims in other
countries but there's still 
> some additional cost for Analogue Systems outside of England.
> 
> You can't make the claim that the Voyager is a true modular synth
but you can make the 
> claim that it semi-modular or make an excellent part of a more
extensive music setup.
> You can of course store it's patches so long as they don't use the
patch cords.
> 
> You can make quite a few more sounds than classic Moog sounds but
you can go further 
> with a medium sized modular synth. 
> 
> There's no perfect synth otherwise everyone would just buy that one.
You kind of have to 
> ask about the benefits or minuses of a particular synth or system.
With a modular you 
> have a great deal to explore but also a synth that takes time. You
find great things 
> exploring it, but on the other hand it's not a very great way to
work on something for a 
> deadline or while someone is waiting for you to play. I know the
last couple personal 
> deadlines I missed were because I wanted to use modular synths. On
the other hand you 
> have a much better chance at making sounds that other people aren't
all using.
>

The spawn is very well :I have one. It have a good midi/cv modul and 
nice filter but just one vco. You can update after with an eurorack.

jac


rapfellernyc a écrit :

>Thank you, What you're saying is making sense.
>I definitely don't want to use the same presets than everybody else in
>the kind of music that i'm doing. In the same time do I want to spend
> long hours creating sounds without being educated on sound designing
>? I don't know...
>Does the Spawn would be a good choice to start with, being that it's
>semi-modular, and less expensive ?
>
>The reason why I'm talking about modular synths in these posts is
>because it seems obvious to me that sounds possibilities are far
>beyond a regular analog synth...I just feel something when I listen to
>the demos !
>
>
>--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas_kent"
><nicholas_kent@...> wrote:
>  
>
>>Something worth noting about the original post is, intentional for
>>    
>>
>comparison reasons or 
>  
>
>>not, none of those synths he liked are true modular synths. 
>>
>>So that to me implies while you can make sounds like those with a
>>    
>>
>modular, perhaps what 
>  
>
>>he really wants to focus on needs an analog synth but not an actual
>>    
>>
>analog modular?
>  
>
>>That said, you can make all sorts of sounds with a decent modular
>>    
>>
>that you can't do with 
>  
>
>>those synths.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>please do not buy the Omega 8.  It sounds loud and bright but has
>>>      
>>>
>very 
>  
>
>>>little routing.  
>>>      
>>>
>>Absolutely true as the comparison stresses the ability to behave
>>    
>>
>like a modular synth. It 
>  
>
>>simply doesn't and isn't ever going to. On the other hand it has the
>>    
>>
>ability to play chords 
>  
>
>>and store and recall patches once you've made them.
>>
>>The chord aspect of playing melodies is something you'd need to
>>    
>>
>invest a real fortune in a 
>  
>
>>real modular to even attempt to do.  It's one of those compromises. 
>>
>>The Moog Voyager is a bit of a one trick pony,  it 
>>    
>>
>>>does all the classic (old) Moog sounds but is about £700 over
>>>      
>>>
>priced.  
>  
>
>>Well in England you have expenses from customs, local importing, and
>>    
>>
>that Welshman who  
>  
>
>>scooped up the name "Moog" under British law so he could market his
>>    
>>
>clones 
>  
>
>>unsucessfully. That Welshman doesn't have legal claims in other
>>    
>>
>countries but there's still 
>  
>
>>some additional cost for Analogue Systems outside of England.
>>
>>You can't make the claim that the Voyager is a true modular synth
>>    
>>
>but you can make the 
>  
>
>>claim that it semi-modular or make an excellent part of a more
>>    
>>
>extensive music setup.
>  
>
>>You can of course store it's patches so long as they don't use the
>>    
>>
>patch cords.
>  
>
>>You can make quite a few more sounds than classic Moog sounds but
>>    
>>
>you can go further 
>  
>
>>with a medium sized modular synth. 
>>
>>There's no perfect synth otherwise everyone would just buy that one.
>>    
>>
>You kind of have to 
>  
>
>>ask about the benefits or minuses of a particular synth or system.
>>    
>>
>With a modular you 
>  
>
>>have a great deal to explore but also a synth that takes time. You
>>    
>>
>find great things 
>  
>
>>exploring it, but on the other hand it's not a very great way to
>>    
>>
>work on something for a 
>  
>
>>deadline or while someone is waiting for you to play. I know the
>>    
>>
>last couple personal 
>  
>
>>deadlines I missed were because I wanted to use modular synths. On
>>    
>>
>the other hand you 
>  
>
>>have a much better chance at making sounds that other people aren't
>>    
>>
>all using.
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, jacpere <jacpere@...> wrote:
>
> The spawn is very well :I have one. It have a good midi/cv modul and 
> nice filter but just one vco. You can update after with an eurorack.
> 
> jac
> 

I haven't used one. Having only one VCO is not enough to make bigger sounding sounds. 
None of the those synths mentioned have only one osc. The Voyager for instance has 3. 
Jacpere is correct that you could buy more.

 A disadvantage to buying something smaller than an entry level modular is you pay a fairly 
much to get capabilities you can only take partial advantage of. Of course you can fix that by 
getting more stuff. Not that you can't use it if it's very small, but there's a sort of critical mass 
where lots of great things happen. I consider that point to be a solid monosynth worth of 
modules plus a couple things not on a monosynth. Not enough modules and you just miss 
out on what you can do with a more equipped system or a decent monosynth. Then after a 
certiain point if you keep getting more and more modules you probably are either addicted 
and or trying to impress people ;-)

Hey,

I sell my JoMoX Sunsyn. Perfect condition. 2200 euros.

olivier