Matschdreck, Since I don't have Live 7, I can't help you much more than give advice. I think I saw that you are using the dpots, so you should try using the dbank knob to see if you get to the next bank, NOT the mackie bank buttons. Once you know the command to get it to bank properly, you can stack that command on the mackie bank keys. Try using encoder 49 from my/stephan's preset 22 - bcr_live_ver5_0bvpot It is called dev.bank. I don't know if that will do it for you tho. Or look at the preset in Live 7 control surface and find out which control they have to change the sends. Since I can't see it I can't help there. I mean in the lessons of Live on the right hand side window thing. Look there, I think, unless that changed in Live 7. Look at that preset you can send to bcr from live. There must be a bank key or device bank key something will do it. ... --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "matschdreck" <matschdreck@...> wrote: > > The issue seems to be more tricky than i thought. > > > I think I understand what you are after for sends. > > You want two rows of knobs for sends, one send A and the other for send B. > > You want them to follow the banks and be assigned to tracks 1-8 then bankable to 9-16 etc, to feel like a standard mixing console, is that correct? > > Yes, thats what i was looking for. > > > I can't remember if the native bcr preset for Live supports send levels. (perhaps that is what you have set up?) > > Exactly. In Live 7 there is a preset which can be sent to the bcr. And it's arranged the way described, one row for sends A and one for sends B. Very useful. Maybe comprehensible it doesn't work with the bank button. > The solution with the v-pots as pans is just somewhat unconvenient. > > > So you could set up a row of knobs for send A and then put an extra command (midi message) in your bank button to bank to the next 8 tracks, provided you can figure out what the command(midi message) is to bank up and down in the Remote SL. And provided it is not repeating a function already used by the Mackie... I do not know at this moment. > > I dont know how to figure out the command. Besides, i�d rather take the solution with the v-pots than to have only one row of bankable sends. So i guess i simply stick with my preset as it is. I'm pleased with it. > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@> wrote: > > > > Sends - I have not tried your preset yet, and I don't understand what is not working with them for you. > > However, I must tell you that in Mackie Mode - Sends do not work like the Pans. > > > > In Live things work like this. > > Pans work like faders with banks working like you would expect. > > Sends work by selected track only. > > Meaning which ever track you have selected gets all 8 of the vpots. > > So if track 4 is selected it gets all 8 of the vpots, even if you only have 2 return tracks. In that case only the first 2 knobs - vpots 1 + 2 (in send mode) will control the two send levels for track 4. The other knobs will do nothing. > > If you have 8 return tracks - and you select track 2, all 8 of the vpots (sends) will work for that track 2. Meaning all 8 of the send levels will be for track 2. > > > > I can't remember if the native bcr preset for Live supports send levels. (perhaps that is what you have set up?) > > > > I use live 6 and the only control surfaces that seems to support any sends are the Mackie and the Novation Remote SL. > > The SL appears to do what you are looking for however, it only does Send A amount, not send B. > > I think I understand what you are after for sends. > > You want two rows of knobs for sends, one send A and the other for send B. > > You want them to follow the banks and be assigned to tracks 1-8 then bankable to 9-16 etc, to feel like a standard mixing console, is that correct? > > > > So you could set up a row of knobs for send A and then put an extra command (midi message) in your bank button to bank to the next 8 tracks, provided you can figure out what the command(midi message) is to bank up and down in the Remote SL. And provided it is not repeating a function already used by the Mackie... I do not know at this moment. > > > > The problem with the pan LED's is that the midi data is relative. > > So the led's don't know where to start nor where to go, the visual information is meaningless. > > > > I did not see you posted preset, did you post it? > > I'll look again... > > > > Kip > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "matschdreck" <matschdreck@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Of course. Done. > > > Hope someone finds it helpful. > > > I�m curious if the sends problem can be fixed? > > > > > > Matsch > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Cool - glad you figured it out. > > > > "Share your revision" - I mean post your preset for other people to use and modify as they like. > > > > Include a screen shot of the layout from bcmanager, so people know what they are getting. > > > > I'd have to see your preset to tell what's going on with sends. > > > > Kip > > > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "matschdreck" <matschdreck@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, > > > > > i finished my preset. Actually, it was my own fault, with the solo�s. I have overlooked, that the velocity value was 1. You live and learn. I again saw on your (kip) mackie command set, that the solos were indeed Note 8-15, so i thought the fault must be somewhere in my own adjustment. > > > > > I still can�t make the Sends follow the < Bank > Buttons. And the LED display of the Pan�s don�t react properly, so i had to turn them off. Similar problem with the LED�s of the Buttons (Solo and Record_Arm). They react correctly if the buttons are pushed on the screen with the mouse, but when hit on the BCR itself, sometimes they react, mostly not. But really, thats just peanuts. > > > > > Apart from that everything is fine. Finally my BCR makes sense. And it wasn�t even that difficult with BC manager, once you understand the meaning. Copy&Paste. It�s so great all these people working on this things. I don�t think i would have got there, without the internet. At least not this fast. But now...deluxe. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm interested in you revision, I seem to have an addiction to mackie emulation I just can't shake. > > > > > > > > > > I don�t know if i understood correctly. What does "revision" mean is this case? (i don�t worry about your addiction). You mean, you would like to know how i arranged my preset? Or did you mean the exact midi-commands? > > > > > > > > > > Push Encoders: > > > > > Group 1: Mute/Pan > > > > > Group 2: Clip fires > > > > > Group 3: d.pots > > > > > > > > > > Buttons: Solo > > > > > RecArm > > > > > > > > > > Encoders: upper row: Send A > > > > > middle row: Send B > > > > > lower row: Volume > > > > > > > > > > The buttons on the right side: Stop Play > > > > > Option Sess/Arr > > > > > > > > > > Undo Redo > > > > > < Bank Bank > > > > > > > > > > > everything same for each channel. I made/need/like it this way, because i use my laptop more as a recording interface, rather than as a dj or live performing tool. Thats why i need fast checks on the pan, mute, solo, rec and sends on each channel quick hand. Clipfires and dpots are very acceptable add ons though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is early - and I am slammed with home projects today - > > > > > > I will have to read you email in more detail to try to understand what you are doing. > > > > > > Go to my GenMce page http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce > > > > > > and I have a link to the mackie command set at > > > > > > http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/mackie_commands/Mackie_commands.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the praise! I did not do it alone. > > > > > > I'm interested in you revision, I seem to have an addiction to mackie emulation I just can't shake. > > > > > > I also have helped develop a little pc keyboard mackie emulation. > > > > > > http://shoshin.110mb.com/rockiplaunch > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to the group for all the links there to other, non bcr, stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I need to read, what you are trying to do again... > > > > > > Ok... that was the second pass on my reading... > > > > > > I think you can do the things you seek. See the chart of the notes you need above, the rest of the stuff is there too. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 comment - the vpots (pans/sends/plugins) returns.... > > > > > > They will stay pans as long has you don'g hit the sends returns or plugins button. However, if you do, then they are not pans any more. > > > > > > If you know that you are not going to use sends or plugins control... > > > > > > You could always have each encoder send the note for pans before the controller info... a stacked command so to speak, meaning when you turn the knob it sends the not on... hmmm... that might get annoying or cause some other thing to happen. That is what happens on the clip fires. > > > > > > Use bcmanager to look at the preset... make a new preset and copy and paste the notes to the bank of buttons, should be really easy to move whatever you want about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kip > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "matschdreck" <matschdreck@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > i have the BCR and i am trying to tinker my own preset for ableton (in mackie mode). I am not even half way there, but somehow it is fun trying. The templates from kip were very helpful so far, really great piece of work. But i would like to get a different assignment to the knobs, so its more suitable to my workflow. I have trouble finding the right midi notes for the solo switches. Which notes do i need to assign to the buttons, so they control the "Solo" switches of the channels? I read that mackie uses Note 8-15 for the solo�s but no effect there. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > Then, is there a possibility to assign the push-encoder row to permanently control the channel�s pan AND mute, and then assign them in one of the other Encoder Groups to Clip Arm�s at the same time? Or wait, first, how to assign their encoder funktion to Pan? I managend to match their push-funktion to mute, but i can�t find the pans for their encoder funktion at the same time. > > > > > > > Plus i would like to assign the 1st and 2nd encoder rows to send A and send B (just like abletons map for BCR) but in a way, the bank<> buttons have an effect on these. So far i tried CC 81 -CC 96, but when i push bank> the other buttons (mute, rec) jump to channels 9-16 while the send encoders stay with 1-8. > > > > > > > This Behringer BCR is like Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Solo�s in mackie mode???
2009-07-21 by k5kip_1999