Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Is it possible with BC Manager 1.4.0 to change BCR2000 presets 1..12 
via midi notes e.g. 84..95 on the midi channel 15? (If yes, how?)

My controller context here is music production.

Solving this "problem" would allow us not to work just with a single 
preset in a "musical session" but could freely combine multiple 
presets with each other and easily switch between them using simple 
single midi note events in a predefined space (e.g. here midi channel 
15).

Then you could e.g. build a setup for 8 tracks (per each BCR 2000) 
and control various aspects of these 8 tracks by switching among 
predefined presets. Some ideas what those presets could do:

1.  volume adjustments (midi ch 1)
2.  eq adjustments (midi ch 2)
3.  compressor adjustments (midi ch 3)
4.  efx adjustments (midi ch 4)
5.  balance adjustments (midi ch 5)

By giving each aspect its own preset you can eliminate unnecessary 
"crazy cross thinking" what is defined where and how we should switch 
there most efficiently.

Any ideas, comments and hints?

Well  - see below.


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "sexontony" <sexontony@...> wrote:
>
> Is it possible with BC Manager 1.4.0 to change BCR2000 presets 1..12 
> via midi notes e.g. 84..95 on the midi channel 15? (If yes, how?)
> 
> My controller context here is music production.
> 
> Solving this "problem" would allow us not to work just with a single 
> preset in a "musical session" but could freely combine multiple 
> presets with each other and easily switch between them using simple 
> single midi note events in a predefined space (e.g. here midi channel 
> 15).
> 
> Then you could e.g. build a setup for 8 tracks (per each BCR 2000) 
> and control various aspects of these 8 tracks by switching among 
> predefined presets. Some ideas what those presets could do:
> 
> 1.  volume adjustments (midi ch 1)
> 2.  eq adjustments (midi ch 2)
> 3.  compressor adjustments (midi ch 3)
> 4.  efx adjustments (midi ch 4)
> 5.  balance adjustments (midi ch 5)
> 

I suppose it depends on what software you are trying to control,
however, if you want to have banks of 8 tracks, you can use mackie preset.
It is all in one preset, have you looked at that?
http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/bcr2000

I did a video tutorial, using Ableton Live, for controlling pans,
sends and plugins. 

Mackie mode is very powerful - in fact, I have wasted the last year
life thinking about it.  
Here is a link to my experiences with mackie mode.
http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/about/about.htm

You get control on tracks 1-8, for pan, send, faders, mutes, arms,
solos etc...and other stuff.
You get a bank knob, to bank down to the next set of tracks 9-16,
17-24, 25-36... etc (however many tracks you have).  This does not use
changing preset on the bcr. It is all in 1 preset on the bcr.
You get a master fader, and a jog wheel, markers,  as well as transports.



> By giving each aspect its own preset you can eliminate unnecessary 
> "crazy cross thinking" what is defined where and how we should switch 
> there most efficiently.

Your right of course - that crazy cross thinking can get really confusing.
Remembering what note to push to control faders or pans, might be hard
to remember too. Remembering which preset would control what might be
tough too... What if you have more than 8 tracks?

So - what software are you trying to control?

Try the mackie preset I made or someone elses.

Kip

> 
> Any ideas, comments and hints?
>

Turn the RxChannel on the BC to channel 15

Load MidiOx

Set up a Data map
Ch=15  Event=NoteOn  Min=60 Max=91  -1 -1
Ch=15  Event=ProgChg Min=1  Max=32  -1 -1
Link the KB's Midi the BC in the Midi Port Routing

Middle C (Midi Note 60) is Preset 1 then change presets chromatically up.

All the best

Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "sexontony" <sexontony@...> wrote:

>
> Is it possible with BC Manager 1.4.0 to change BCR2000 presets 1..12 
> via midi notes e.g. 84..95 on the midi channel 15? (If yes, how?)
> 
> My controller context here is music production.
> 
> Solving this "problem" would allow us not to work just with a single 
> preset in a "musical session" but could freely combine multiple 
> presets with each other and easily switch between them using simple 
> single midi note events in a predefined space (e.g. here midi channel 
> 15).
> 
> Then you could e.g. build a setup for 8 tracks (per each BCR 2000) 
> and control various aspects of these 8 tracks by switching among 
> predefined presets. Some ideas what those presets could do:
> 
> 1.  volume adjustments (midi ch 1)
> 2.  eq adjustments (midi ch 2)
> 3.  compressor adjustments (midi ch 3)
> 4.  efx adjustments (midi ch 4)
> 5.  balance adjustments (midi ch 5)
> 
> By giving each aspect its own preset you can eliminate unnecessary 
> "crazy cross thinking" what is defined where and how we should switch 
> there most efficiently.
> 
> Any ideas, comments and hints?
>

Thanks Royce,

I did the following data mapping (translation map) in Midi-Ox:
Ch=15  Event=NoteOn  Min=84 Max=95  -1 -1
Ch=15  Event=ProgChg Min=0  Max=11  -1 -1

Important to mention is that program change starts at 0, so we get 
0..11.

The missing information to me was that we can change presets in 
BCR2000 easily by simple program change events as also discovered now 
in "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" by M.J. van den Berg on page 18, 
about "Receive channel":

"
Receive channel
BCL syntax: .rxch ReceiveChannel
ReceiveChannel 0 {off, 1..16}
If a MIDI Program Change message is sent to the BC via MIDI input 
channel ReceiveChannel, the BC
responds by selecting the preset corresponding with the message's 
program number. If ReceiveChannel
is off, the BC doesn't respond to any Program Change messages.
"

Kind regards,
Tony

> Set up a Data map
> Ch=15  Event=NoteOn  Min=60 Max=91  -1 -1
> Ch=15  Event=ProgChg Min=1  Max=32  -1 -1

One stupid question:

If 1 BCR2000 preset can get 1 Mackie Controller surface, can we get 
out of 6 BCR2000 presets 6 "partially independent" Mackie Controller 
surfaces? (Or isn't it easy to make those Mackie surfaces independent 
of each other?)

"Partially independent" could mean:
-  transport functions would be still the same
-  e.g. one could give each Mackie Control a set of 8 tracks and 
instead of using the bank switching method one could switch the 6 
presets (having the advantage that you could directly jump to any of 
these 8 track sets, like 8 tracks for final output channels, another 
8 tracks for drums submixing channels, another 8 tracks for vocals 
submixing channels...)?

6 * 8 = 48 tracks/channels should be enough for many applications. So 
e.g. if you would want to edit the vocals, one note on event, and you 
would have your 8 vocal tracks in front of you, allowing very fast 
switching among "logical channel groups". Here some ideas/examples 
for logical channel groups:

1.  drums
2.  bass
3.  vocals
4.  keys
5.  guitars

So my idea is mainly not sticking just with one single preset if we 
can also use multiple of them parallely if we can give each of them 
useful jobs to do/control.

> Mackie mode is very powerful - in fact, I have wasted the last year
> life thinking about it.  

Has the Mackie mode also any disadvantages or is this the maximum end 
of high-end controlling logic? I am also Ableton Live user, what 
else?  :)

Kind regards,
Tony

I just wrote a huge reply to this and lost it before posting!
Alas, I can't bring myself to do it again....
I am not sure if you are still considering a mackie preset in your
control schema.

Here are my reasons for using a mackie.

http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/about/why/why%20make%20it.htm

There are two types of mackie bacially the MCU(mackie control
universal) and the Mackie control XT. They made is so you could have
more than 8 tracks on physical controls that would work together.
So MCU + XT gets you 16 tracks control.
Now the MCU output and XT output are the same. Your DAW will know the
the difference. 

I can't even begin to remember the extent of my lost reply...
15 mins of life just gone.

Best of luck to you.
You are in uncharted waters (by me), sir.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "sexontony" <sexontony@...> wrote:

>
> One stupid question:
> 
> If 1 BCR2000 preset can get 1 Mackie Controller surface, can we get 
> out of 6 BCR2000 presets 6 "partially independent" Mackie Controller 
> surfaces? (Or isn't it easy to make those Mackie surfaces independent 
> of each other?)
> 
> "Partially independent" could mean:
> -  transport functions would be still the same
> -  e.g. one could give each Mackie Control a set of 8 tracks and 
> instead of using the bank switching method one could switch the 6 
> presets (having the advantage that you could directly jump to any of 
> these 8 track sets, like 8 tracks for final output channels, another 
> 8 tracks for drums submixing channels, another 8 tracks for vocals 
> submixing channels...)?
> 
> 6 * 8 = 48 tracks/channels should be enough for many applications. So 
> e.g. if you would want to edit the vocals, one note on event, and you 
> would have your 8 vocal tracks in front of you, allowing very fast 
> switching among "logical channel groups". Here some ideas/examples 
> for logical channel groups:
> 
> 1.  drums
> 2.  bass
> 3.  vocals
> 4.  keys
> 5.  guitars
> 
> So my idea is mainly not sticking just with one single preset if we 
> can also use multiple of them parallely if we can give each of them 
> useful jobs to do/control.
> 
> > Mackie mode is very powerful - in fact, I have wasted the last year
> > life thinking about it.  
> 
> Has the Mackie mode also any disadvantages or is this the maximum end 
> of high-end controlling logic? I am also Ableton Live user, what 
> else?  :)
> 
> Kind regards,
> Tony
>