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Using a BCN44 with a Kawai K3

Using a BCN44 with a Kawai K3

2010-03-04 by justino30

Hi, I'm new to this group, a user from the kawai k3 group forwarded this group to me because I asked if it was possible to use a bcn44 with a kawai k3 (which uses sysex messages). From what I've gathered you can use a BC2000 with the K3, but the learn function on the bcn44 doesn't work with sysex. I was overjoyed when I found a bcn44 editor from Mountain Utilities on this group, however I'm confused with how to use it. It says on thier website "contains support for 'custom' MIDI messages (up to 11 bytes), in particular System Exclusive messages" so I'm hoping I can use it to control filter and lfo parameters on my K3 synthesizer. The program came with no manual, and I'm confused about how to use it, if anyone has any tips, please let me know!
Thanks!

p.s. some users from the k3 group decoded the sysex messages but I don't know how to input them into the editor...

Re: Using a BCN44 with a Kawai K3

2010-03-05 by markwinvdb

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "justino30" <justin-macri@...> wrote:
> I was overjoyed when I found a bcn44 editor
> from Mountain Utilities on this group, however I'm confused with how
> to use it.
> The program came with no manual, and
> I'm confused about how to use it, if anyone has any tips, please let
> me know! Thanks!

Sorry about there being no manual, but writing a good manual is always a lot of work.
Since Behringer states that the BCN44 is "Discontinued" on their web site (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCN44.aspx), BCN44 Manager (let alone writing a manual for it) isn't very high on my long wish list.
I can only repeat what I wrote on my web site: for information on BCN44 Manager's general setup, please refer to the manual for BC Manager, since much is the same.

> It says on thier website "contains support for 'custom'
> MIDI messages (up to 11 bytes), in particular System Exclusive
> messages" so I'm hoping I can use it to control filter and lfo
> parameters on my K3 synthesizer.
> some users from the k3 group decoded the sysex messages

I've looked a bit at the K3 manual (http://www.kawaius-tsd.com/OM/K_SYNTH/K3.PDF):
It should indeed be possible for those messages that consist of 11 bytes or less.

> I don't know how to input them into the editor...

In an Encoders window, click on the "E" button: this opens the Encoder dialog box.

There you do the following:

- Set Type to Custom

- In the Bytes editbox you type the SysEx message's bytes in bare hexadecimal format, separated by spaces.
So in your case this should look like:
F0 40 ... F7

- The tricky part: set "Index of button/encoder value" to the position of the byte in the message that corresponds with the value of the button/encoder. (So in fact this byte becomes variable.)

Note that the OK button is disabled when "Index ..." isn't pointing to a data byte (00-7F), i.e. to a status byte (F0 or F7 for SysEx messages) or to a position beyond the current message length.

In fact, there is a slight (but annoying) bug in the dialog box concerning this:
Once the OK button has become disabled, it stays that way if you clear the Bytes editbox or select a different Type than Custom, whereas in both cases it should actually get re-enabled.
I'll release a version of BCN44 Manager that fixes this as soon as possible, hopefully this weekend.

Mark van den Berg.

Re: Using a BCN44 with a Kawai K3

2010-03-05 by Royce

Hi ,
I have just been writing a BCR2000 preset for the K3 so when it is completely working I'll put it in the files section and it might be a good start for you BCN preset.

All the best
Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "markwinvdb" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "justino30" <justin-macri@> wrote:
> > I was overjoyed when I found a bcn44 editor
> > from Mountain Utilities on this group, however I'm confused with how
> > to use it.
> > The program came with no manual, and
> > I'm confused about how to use it, if anyone has any tips, please let
> > me know! Thanks!
> 
> Sorry about there being no manual, but writing a good manual is always a lot of work.
> Since Behringer states that the BCN44 is "Discontinued" on their web site (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCN44.aspx), BCN44 Manager (let alone writing a manual for it) isn't very high on my long wish list.
> I can only repeat what I wrote on my web site: for information on BCN44 Manager's general setup, please refer to the manual for BC Manager, since much is the same.
> 
> > It says on thier website "contains support for 'custom'
> > MIDI messages (up to 11 bytes), in particular System Exclusive
> > messages" so I'm hoping I can use it to control filter and lfo
> > parameters on my K3 synthesizer.
> > some users from the k3 group decoded the sysex messages
> 
> I've looked a bit at the K3 manual (http://www.kawaius-tsd.com/OM/K_SYNTH/K3.PDF):
> It should indeed be possible for those messages that consist of 11 bytes or less.
> 
> > I don't know how to input them into the editor...
> 
> In an Encoders window, click on the "E" button: this opens the Encoder dialog box.
> 
> There you do the following:
> 
> - Set Type to Custom
> 
> - In the Bytes editbox you type the SysEx message's bytes in bare hexadecimal format, separated by spaces.
> So in your case this should look like:
> F0 40 ... F7
> 
> - The tricky part: set "Index of button/encoder value" to the position of the byte in the message that corresponds with the value of the button/encoder. (So in fact this byte becomes variable.)
> 
> Note that the OK button is disabled when "Index ..." isn't pointing to a data byte (00-7F), i.e. to a status byte (F0 or F7 for SysEx messages) or to a position beyond the current message length.
> 
> In fact, there is a slight (but annoying) bug in the dialog box concerning this:
> Once the OK button has become disabled, it stays that way if you clear the Bytes editbox or select a different Type than Custom, whereas in both cases it should actually get re-enabled.
> I'll release a version of BCN44 Manager that fixes this as soon as possible, hopefully this weekend.
> 
> Mark van den Berg.
>

Re: Using a BCN44 with a Kawai K3

2010-03-06 by justino30

Wow, thanks for the great responses, I'll keep you guys updated if I can get it to work,

thanks again!

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi ,
> I have just been writing a BCR2000 preset for the K3 so when it is completely working I'll put it in the files section and it might be a good start for you BCN preset.
> 
> All the best
> Royce
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "markwinvdb" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "justino30" <justin-macri@> wrote:
> > > I was overjoyed when I found a bcn44 editor
> > > from Mountain Utilities on this group, however I'm confused with how
> > > to use it.
> > > The program came with no manual, and
> > > I'm confused about how to use it, if anyone has any tips, please let
> > > me know! Thanks!
> > 
> > Sorry about there being no manual, but writing a good manual is always a lot of work.
> > Since Behringer states that the BCN44 is "Discontinued" on their web site (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCN44.aspx), BCN44 Manager (let alone writing a manual for it) isn't very high on my long wish list.
> > I can only repeat what I wrote on my web site: for information on BCN44 Manager's general setup, please refer to the manual for BC Manager, since much is the same.
> > 
> > > It says on thier website "contains support for 'custom'
> > > MIDI messages (up to 11 bytes), in particular System Exclusive
> > > messages" so I'm hoping I can use it to control filter and lfo
> > > parameters on my K3 synthesizer.
> > > some users from the k3 group decoded the sysex messages
> > 
> > I've looked a bit at the K3 manual (http://www.kawaius-tsd.com/OM/K_SYNTH/K3.PDF):
> > It should indeed be possible for those messages that consist of 11 bytes or less.
> > 
> > > I don't know how to input them into the editor...
> > 
> > In an Encoders window, click on the "E" button: this opens the Encoder dialog box.
> > 
> > There you do the following:
> > 
> > - Set Type to Custom
> > 
> > - In the Bytes editbox you type the SysEx message's bytes in bare hexadecimal format, separated by spaces.
> > So in your case this should look like:
> > F0 40 ... F7
> > 
> > - The tricky part: set "Index of button/encoder value" to the position of the byte in the message that corresponds with the value of the button/encoder. (So in fact this byte becomes variable.)
> > 
> > Note that the OK button is disabled when "Index ..." isn't pointing to a data byte (00-7F), i.e. to a status byte (F0 or F7 for SysEx messages) or to a position beyond the current message length.
> > 
> > In fact, there is a slight (but annoying) bug in the dialog box concerning this:
> > Once the OK button has become disabled, it stays that way if you clear the Bytes editbox or select a different Type than Custom, whereas in both cases it should actually get re-enabled.
> > I'll release a version of BCN44 Manager that fixes this as soon as possible, hopefully this weekend.
> > 
> > Mark van den Berg.
> >
>

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