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remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by brian maddox

okay, i've got a really weird question...

i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board. as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit. anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates? can this be done? anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?

brian maddox
fcf creative arts director

www.fcfchurch.com

"do not trifle with the affairs of dragons
for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup."

Re: remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by Royce

Hi Brian,

the label at the back says it is 15watts at 240V here in Australia.

It is likely to be just regulated 5volts so  worst case (with the LEDs on the top all on)

Power = Volts x Amps so Amps = Power / Volts, 3 = 15/5
3amps but there are heaps of losses going from 240 to 5volts.

So how much current does it need?
Each LED perhaps 5mA to 10mA
10mA x ((15 x 8  top row ) + 24 other rows are single LED) = 1.5 amps roughly + CPU + Midi current.

So a well regulated source at least able to give 2amps at 5 volts feeding straight in to the controller board.
If it didn't use a switch mode power supply (which I think it might) you could use a 12volt at 2amps feeding the internal regulator.

Either way this is a pretty serious supply. I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. Easier to run mains power across the stage. I'm sure the keyboard player would share his powerboard.

Royce


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, brian maddox <brianm@...> wrote:
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>
> okay, i've got a really weird question...
> 
> i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board.  as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit.  anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates?  can this be done?  anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?
> 
> brian maddox
> fcf creative arts director
> 
> www.fcfchurch.com
> 
>   "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons        for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."
>

Re: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by brian maddox

a million thanks for the info...

is it worth it?  probably not.  :)  but i'm gonna try to do it anyway...  mostly for my own silly reasons...  i'm using this as my monitor remote mixer and i've already got a super nifty pedal board for all my guitar junk, metronome [which feeds our in-ears], and midi stuff i use.  all of that is remote powered.  so i've got one audio multi-pair that houses power, midi, and signal wire.  the only thing left to get into the multi is the power for the behringer and i'll have a 'one cable' pedal board.  super clean.

is that necessary? nope.  :)  i'll probably be the only one that cares.  but i do care..  :)

thanks again.  i can probably work with this info.  i've got lots of regulated supplies lying around, including some very beefy 12v stuff i can experiment with.

brian maddox
fcf creative arts director

www.fcfchurch.com

  "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons        for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Royce <rpcfender@...m.au> wrote:

From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
Subject: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:28 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hi Brian,



the label at the back says it is 15watts at 240V here in Australia.



It is likely to be just regulated 5volts so  worst case (with the LEDs on the top all on)



Power = Volts x Amps so Amps = Power / Volts, 3 = 15/5

3amps but there are heaps of losses going from 240 to 5volts.



So how much current does it need?

Each LED perhaps 5mA to 10mA

10mA x ((15 x 8  top row ) + 24 other rows are single LED) = 1.5 amps roughly + CPU + Midi current.



So a well regulated source at least able to give 2amps at 5 volts feeding straight in to the controller board.

If it didn't use a switch mode power supply (which I think it might) you could use a 12volt at 2amps feeding the internal regulator.



Either way this is a pretty serious supply. I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. Easier to run mains power across the stage. I'm sure the keyboard player would share his powerboard.



Royce



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, brian maddox <brianm@...> wrote:
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>

> okay, i've got a really weird question...

> 

> i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board.  as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit.  anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates?  can this be done?  anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?

> 

> brian maddox

> fcf creative arts director

> 

> www.fcfchurch. com

> 

>   "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons        for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."

>

Re: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by Martin Klang

I measured the power supply connections on my BCR2000 a while ago:
1x 4.9V (red cable), 3x 5.4V, 3x gnd

I suspect a 5v, minimum 2A supply is all it needs. I wouldn't connect 12v past the power supply, it'll probably fry the components.

The supply itself is made up of the following components,
you can find datasheets online:
TNY268PN OFF LINE SWITCHER
4N35 OPTOCOUPLER, TRANSISTOR
YG802C04 SCHOTTKY BARRIER DIODE

hth,

/m
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On 9 Mar 2010, at 13:10, brian maddox wrote:

> 
> 
> a million thanks for the info...
> 
> is it worth it?  probably not.  :)  but i'm gonna try to do it anyway...  mostly for my own silly reasons...  i'm using this as my monitor remote mixer and i've already got a super nifty pedal board for all my guitar junk, metronome [which feeds our in-ears], and midi stuff i use.  all of that is remote powered.  so i've got one audio multi-pair that houses power, midi, and signal wire.  the only thing left to get into the multi is the power for the behringer and i'll have a 'one cable' pedal board.  super clean.
> 
> is that necessary? nope.  :)  i'll probably be the only one that cares.  but i do care..  :)
> 
> thanks again.  i can probably work with this info.  i've got lots of regulated supplies lying around, including some very beefy 12v stuff i can experiment with.
> 
> brian maddox
> fcf creative arts director
> 
> www.fcfchurch.com
> 
> "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons
>       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Royce <rpcfender@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Royce <rpcfender@yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:28 AM
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> the label at the back says it is 15watts at 240V here in Australia.
> 
> It is likely to be just regulated 5volts so worst case (with the LEDs on the top all on)
> 
> Power = Volts x Amps so Amps = Power / Volts, 3 = 15/5
> 3amps but there are heaps of losses going from 240 to 5volts.
> 
> So how much current does it need?
> Each LED perhaps 5mA to 10mA
> 10mA x ((15 x 8 top row ) + 24 other rows are single LED) = 1.5 amps roughly + CPU + Midi current.
> 
> So a well regulated source at least able to give 2amps at 5 volts feeding straight in to the controller board.
> If it didn't use a switch mode power supply (which I think it might) you could use a 12volt at 2amps feeding the internal regulator.
> 
> Either way this is a pretty serious supply. I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. Easier to run mains power across the stage. I'm sure the keyboard player would share his powerboard.
> 
> Royce
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, brian maddox <brianm@...> wrote:
> >
> > okay, i've got a really weird question...
> > 
> > i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board.  as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit.  anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates?  can this be done?  anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?
> > 
> > brian maddox
> > fcf creative arts director
> > 
> > www.fcfchurch. com
> > 
> > "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by brian maddox

this is a HUGE help...

thanks so much.  i've got several big 5v supplies lying around from various pieces of retired or broken gear.  i'll open up my bcr and see if i can avoid blowing it up...  :)

brian maddox
fcf creative arts director

www.fcfchurch.com

  "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons        for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Martin Klang <mars@pingdynasty.com> wrote:

From: Martin Klang <mars@...>
Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 11:35 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      

I measured the power supply connections on my BCR2000 a while ago:

1x 4.9V (red cable), 3x 5.4V, 3x gnd



I suspect a 5v, minimum 2A supply is all it needs. I wouldn't connect 12v past the power supply, it'll probably fry the components.



The supply itself is made up of the following components,

you can find datasheets online:

TNY268PN OFF LINE SWITCHER

4N35 OPTOCOUPLER, TRANSISTOR

YG802C04 SCHOTTKY BARRIER DIODE



hth,



/m
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 9 Mar 2010, at 13:10, brian maddox wrote:



> 

> 

> a million thanks for the info...

> 

> is it worth it?  probably not.  :)  but i'm gonna try to do it anyway...  mostly for my own silly reasons...  i'm using this as my monitor remote mixer and i've already got a super nifty pedal board for all my guitar junk, metronome [which feeds our in-ears], and midi stuff i use.  all of that is remote powered.  so i've got one audio multi-pair that houses power, midi, and signal wire.  the only thing left to get into the multi is the power for the behringer and i'll have a 'one cable' pedal board.  super clean.

> 

> is that necessary? nope.  :)  i'll probably be the only one that cares.  but i do care..  :)

> 

> thanks again.  i can probably work with this info.  i've got lots of regulated supplies lying around, including some very beefy 12v stuff i can experiment with.

> 

> brian maddox

> fcf creative arts director

> 

> www.fcfchurch. com

> 

> "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons

>       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."

> 

> 

> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Royce <rpcfender@yahoo. com.au> wrote:

> 

> From: Royce <rpcfender@yahoo. com.au>

> Subject: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000

> To: bc2000@yahoogroups. com

> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:28 AM

> 

> Hi Brian,

> 

> the label at the back says it is 15watts at 240V here in Australia.

> 

> It is likely to be just regulated 5volts so worst case (with the LEDs on the top all on)

> 

> Power = Volts x Amps so Amps = Power / Volts, 3 = 15/5

> 3amps but there are heaps of losses going from 240 to 5volts.

> 

> So how much current does it need?

> Each LED perhaps 5mA to 10mA

> 10mA x ((15 x 8 top row ) + 24 other rows are single LED) = 1.5 amps roughly + CPU + Midi current.

> 

> So a well regulated source at least able to give 2amps at 5 volts feeding straight in to the controller board.

> If it didn't use a switch mode power supply (which I think it might) you could use a 12volt at 2amps feeding the internal regulator.

> 

> Either way this is a pretty serious supply. I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. Easier to run mains power across the stage. I'm sure the keyboard player would share his powerboard.

> 

> Royce

> 

> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, brian maddox <brianm@...> wrote:

> >

> > okay, i've got a really weird question...

> > 

> > i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board.  as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit.  anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates?  can this be done?  anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?

> > 

> > brian maddox

> > fcf creative arts director

> > 

> > www.fcfchurch. com

> > 

> > "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."

> >

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Re: remote powering bcr2000

2010-03-09 by Royce

Thanks Martin
 So no power transformer? then I guess it is switch mode.
I wonder what the 4.9V is for - Midi perhaps? Is there a zenner regulating this line?

Royce
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Martin Klang <mars@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> 
> I measured the power supply connections on my BCR2000 a while ago:
> 1x 4.9V (red cable), 3x 5.4V, 3x gnd
> 
> I suspect a 5v, minimum 2A supply is all it needs. I wouldn't connect 12v past the power supply, it'll probably fry the components.
> 
> The supply itself is made up of the following components,
> you can find datasheets online:
> TNY268PN OFF LINE SWITCHER
> 4N35 OPTOCOUPLER, TRANSISTOR
> YG802C04 SCHOTTKY BARRIER DIODE
> 
> hth,
> 
> /m
> 
> On 9 Mar 2010, at 13:10, brian maddox wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > a million thanks for the info...
> > 
> > is it worth it?  probably not.  :)  but i'm gonna try to do it anyway...  mostly for my own silly reasons...  i'm using this as my monitor remote mixer and i've already got a super nifty pedal board for all my guitar junk, metronome [which feeds our in-ears], and midi stuff i use.  all of that is remote powered.  so i've got one audio multi-pair that houses power, midi, and signal wire.  the only thing left to get into the multi is the power for the behringer and i'll have a 'one cable' pedal board.  super clean.
> > 
> > is that necessary? nope.  :)  i'll probably be the only one that cares.  but i do care..  :)
> > 
> > thanks again.  i can probably work with this info.  i've got lots of regulated supplies lying around, including some very beefy 12v stuff i can experiment with.
> > 
> > brian maddox
> > fcf creative arts director
> > 
> > www.fcfchurch.com
> > 
> > "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons
> >       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Royce <rpcfender@...> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Royce <rpcfender@...>
> > Subject: [bc2000] Re: remote powering bcr2000
> > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:28 AM
> > 
> > Hi Brian,
> > 
> > the label at the back says it is 15watts at 240V here in Australia.
> > 
> > It is likely to be just regulated 5volts so worst case (with the LEDs on the top all on)
> > 
> > Power = Volts x Amps so Amps = Power / Volts, 3 = 15/5
> > 3amps but there are heaps of losses going from 240 to 5volts.
> > 
> > So how much current does it need?
> > Each LED perhaps 5mA to 10mA
> > 10mA x ((15 x 8 top row ) + 24 other rows are single LED) = 1.5 amps roughly + CPU + Midi current.
> > 
> > So a well regulated source at least able to give 2amps at 5 volts feeding straight in to the controller board.
> > If it didn't use a switch mode power supply (which I think it might) you could use a 12volt at 2amps feeding the internal regulator.
> > 
> > Either way this is a pretty serious supply. I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. Easier to run mains power across the stage. I'm sure the keyboard player would share his powerboard.
> > 
> > Royce
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups. com, brian maddox <brianm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > okay, i've got a really weird question...
> > > 
> > > i want to remote power my bcr2000 via a multi-pin connection on stage in order to make it part of my pedal board.  as a result, i'd like to separate the internal power supply from the unit so that i can run low-level dc voltage directly to the unit.  anyone have any idea what voltage[s] the internal power supply generates?  can this be done?  anybody got a service manual for one of these puppies?
> > > 
> > > brian maddox
> > > fcf creative arts director
> > > 
> > > www.fcfchurch. com
> > > 
> > > "do not trifle with the affairs of dragons       for you are crunchy,  and taste good with ketchup."
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

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