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Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-07 by virteo

Hello everybody


I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound generator.
FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 – I plugged FB-01 to my computer: it works well, no problem here.


To find what kind of sysex messages a PC patch editor sends to Yamaha, I observed a sent data of PC patch editor with the SysEx window of BC Editor.
I noticed that most of the time, the same Parameter N° is shared by two, three, or four orders: in my example, the parameter #57 is shared by “Sustain level” and “Release rate” orders.


The sent data looks like that:


In PC patch editor, I turn the “Sustain level” knob:

$F0 $43 $75 $0A $57(parameter #) $00 $00 $F7
--- --- --- --- $57 $00 $01 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $00 $02 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $00 $03 ---
I stop and I turn “Release rate” knob now:
--- --- --- --- $57 $01 $03 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $02 $03 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $03 $03 ---
I stop and I turn “Sustain level” knob again:
--- --- --- --- $57 $03 $04 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $03 $05 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $03 $06 ---
I stop and I turn “Release rate” knob again:
--- --- --- --- $57 $04 $06 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $05 $06 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $06 $06 ---
--- --- --- --- $57 $07 $06 ---
and so on…

Do you think that it is possible to reproduce the same orders with BCR2000?
Thank you for your help

Re: Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-07 by Royce

Hi

> I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound generator.
> FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
I'm not sure this is true. I had a quick look at the Midi spec (yuou can download it at Yamaha) and looks lik eyou can use controllers to also change stuff

> To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 â€" I plugged FB-01 to my computer: it works well, no problem here.
> To find what kind of sysex messages a PC patch editor sends to Yamaha, I observed a sent data of PC patch editor with the SysEx window of BC Editor.
> I noticed that most of the time, the same Parameter N° is shared by two, three, or four orders: in my example, the parameter #57 is shared by “Sustain level” and “Release rate” orders.

This is true of many early synths when memory was very costly.
Two or more parameters were packed into a single byte
0xxx xyyy  where xxxx was one parameter and yyy was another.

Unfortunately with the BC you can't access the value of another parameter (say Sustain Level) to add it to the new value of Release Rate, and then output the resulting byte

Royce

Re: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-07 by Léonid Brédikhine

it's clear... :(
thanx for your answer



Le 7 juil. 2010 à 16:08, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> a écrit :
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> Hi
>
> > I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound  
> generator.
> > FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
> I'm not sure this is true. I had a quick look at the Midi spec (yuou  
> can download it at Yamaha) and looks lik eyou can use controllers to  
> also change stuff
>
> > To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 â€" I plugged FB- 
> 01 to my computer: it works well, no problem here.
> > To find what kind of sysex messages a PC patch editor sends to  
> Yamaha, I observed a sent data of PC patch editor with the SysEx  
> window of BC Editor.
> > I noticed that most of the time, the same Parameter N° is shared  
> by two, three, or four orders: in my example, the parameter #57 is s 
> hared by “Sustain level” and “Release rate” order 
> s.
>
> This is true of many early synths when memory was very costly.
> Two or more parameters were packed into a single byte
> 0xxx xyyy where xxxx was one parameter and yyy was another.
>
> Unfortunately with the BC you can't access the value of another  
> parameter (say Sustain Level) to add it to the new value of Release  
> Rate, and then output the resulting byte
>
> Royce
>
>

Re: Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-08 by Royce

Hi

> it's clear... :(
> thanx for your answer

There is a solution if you can program a PC or Mac.
Set up the BCR with CC controls.
Plug it into a PC 
Write a program (you might be able to use Bome's Midi Translator) that takes the CC values from the BC and after just changing just the correct bits in the combined parameter puts out the sysex message.
 
I have done this before and it isn't that hard. 
If you get into trouble feel free to email me.

All the best 

Royce
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> Le 7 juil. 2010 à 16:08, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> a écrit :
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > > I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound  
> > generator.
> > > FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
> > I'm not sure this is true. I had a quick look at the Midi spec (yuou  
> > can download it at Yamaha) and looks lik eyou can use controllers to  
> > also change stuff
> >
> > > To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 â€" I plugged FB- 
> > 01 to my computer: it works well, no problem here.
> > > To find what kind of sysex messages a PC patch editor sends to  
> > Yamaha, I observed a sent data of PC patch editor with the SysEx  
> > window of BC Editor.
> > > I noticed that most of the time, the same Parameter N° is shared  
> > by two, three, or four orders: in my example, the parameter #57 is s 
> > hared by “Sustain level” and “Release rate” order 
> > s.
> >
> > This is true of many early synths when memory was very costly.
> > Two or more parameters were packed into a single byte
> > 0xxx xyyy where xxxx was one parameter and yyy was another.
> >
> > Unfortunately with the BC you can't access the value of another  
> > parameter (say Sustain Level) to add it to the new value of Release  
> > Rate, and then output the resulting byte
> >
> > Royce
> >
> >
>

re: [bc2000] Re: Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-08 by virteo

Hi Royce
Your idea is not bad! I am going to reflect about it.
I wished to avoid using my computer – I prefer the “hardware touch”, but if I have no choice…
I do not know how to handle Bone’s Midi Translator, and if I understood well I need a Pro version of this software.


I would like to thank you one more time for your help.
Leonid
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> Message du 08/07/10 09:50
> De : "Royce" 
> A : bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Copie à : 
> Objet : [bc2000] Re: Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> > it's clear... :(
> > thanx for your answer
> 
> There is a solution if you can program a PC or Mac.
> Set up the BCR with CC controls.
> Plug it into a PC 
> Write a program (you might be able to use Bome's Midi Translator) that takes the CC values from the BC and after just changing just the correct bits in the combined parameter puts out the sysex message.
> 
> I have done this before and it isn't that hard. 
> If you get into trouble feel free to email me.
> 
> All the best 
> 
> Royce
> 
> > Le 7 juil. 2010 à 16:08, "Royce" a écrit :
> > 
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > > I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound 
> > > generator.
> > > > FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
> > > I'm not sure this is true. I had a quick look at the Midi spec (yuou 
> > > can download it at Yamaha) and looks lik eyou can use controllers to 
> > > also change stuff
> > >
> > > > To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 â€" I plugged FB- 
> > > 01 to my computer: it works well, no problem here.
> > > > To find what kind of sysex messages a PC patch editor sends to 
> > > Yamaha, I observed a sent data of PC patch editor with the SysEx 
> > > window of BC Editor.
> > > > I noticed that most of the time, the same Parameter N° is shared 
> > > by two, three, or four orders: in my example, the parameter #57 is s 
> > > hared by “Sustain level” and “Release rate” order 
> > > s.
> > >
> > > This is true of many early synths when memory was very costly.
> > > Two or more parameters were packed into a single byte
> > > 0xxx xyyy where xxxx was one parameter and yyy was another.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately with the BC you can't access the value of another 
> > > parameter (say Sustain Level) to add it to the new value of Release 
> > > Rate, and then output the resulting byte
> > >
> > > Royce
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

RE: [bc2000] Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-09 by badmuts@acadiane.org

Just curious: what PC patch editor for FB-01 did you find? I also have
an FB-01 and would like to fiddle around with it a bit, most i could
find was old atari stuff or broken windows 95 software...
 
 


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Van: bc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bc2000@yahoogroups.com] Namens
virteo
Verzonden: woensdag 7 juli 2010 10:40
Aan: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [bc2000] Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000


  


Hello everybody



I'm trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound generator.

FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.

To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 - I plugged FB-01 to my
computer: it works well, no problem here.

Re: [bc2000] Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000

2010-07-10 by Léonid Brédikhine

it's "4op delux" for atari.
it works perfectly on my xp pro with atari simulator. and it's free!
also, there is "fb-01 sound editor" for pc of a french programmer.  
it's free, but i prefere "4op delux".
and at last, you can purchase the "midi quest" software. it coasts  
~250€. more designed graphic interface, but as for me, i got my  
yamaha for 30€ in the second hand shop, so my choice is done.



Le 9 juil. 2010 à 15:21, badmuts@... a écrit :
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> Just curious: what PC patch editor for FB-01 did you find? I also  
> have an FB-01 and would like to fiddle around with it a bit, most i  
> could find was old atari stuff or broken windows 95 software...
>
>
>
> Van: bc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bc2000@yahoogroups.com] Namens  
> virteo
> Verzonden: woensdag 7 juli 2010 10:40
> Aan: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [bc2000] Tweaking Yamaha FB-01 with BCR2000
>
>
> Hello everybody
>
>
> I’m trying to program my BCR2000 to tweak Yamaha FB-01 sound generat 
> or.
>
> FB-01 recognizes a sysex messages only.
>
> To do my job I found a PC patch editor for FB-01 – I plugged FB-01 t 
> o my computer: it works well, no problem here.
>
>

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