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New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-08-17 by Alan

Just to let you all know. Anyone fortunate enough to own a Kawai K4, can now control their synth, in real time, using their BCR2000. This is thanks to the delightfully crafted presets written by Royce.

For anyone who doesn't have a K4 or K4r, they can be picked up for peanuts on a certain internet auction site and are certainly more interesting to play with than your average soft synth.

Royce actually wrote these way back in May and I've had them for testing and forgot to post them till now. So apologies for that.

Presets, templates and read me are all now in the files section.

Thanks,
Alan

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-03 by Rainer

Hi Alan!

Thanks for uploading the presets to the group!
Unfortunately, the file "Kawai K4_1.syx" does not seem to work properly, both in BC Manager and in BCR Edit it can't be imported, while the 2nd can be.

The BC Manager gives the following error when importing:
Error: MIDI system exclusive error
No Exclusive status

Could you perhaps check the file and perhaps re-export it from your setup, and re-upload it?

Thanks!
Kind regards,
Rainer

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote:
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> Just to let you all know. Anyone fortunate enough to own a Kawai K4, can now control their synth, in real time, using their BCR2000. This is thanks to the delightfully crafted presets written by Royce.
> 
> For anyone who doesn't have a K4 or K4r, they can be picked up for peanuts on a certain internet auction site and are certainly more interesting to play with than your average soft synth.
> 
> Royce actually wrote these way back in May and I've had them for testing and forgot to post them till now. So apologies for that.
> 
> Presets, templates and read me are all now in the files section.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan
>

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-04 by Mark

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" <klorisk@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, the file "Kawai K4_1.syx" does not seem to work properly, both in BC Manager and in BCR Edit it can't be imported, while the 2nd can be.
> 
> The BC Manager gives the following error when importing:
> Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> No Exclusive status
> 
> Could you perhaps check the file and perhaps re-export it from your setup, and re-upload it?

Since you mentioned BC Manager, I got curious, out of a sense of responsibility - just to check the error message wasn't caused by some kind of bug in BC Manager...

I found that what's wrong with the file is that the last 4 bytes ('end' plus F7) of the last SysEx message are inexplicably repeated:
F0 ... 65 6E 64 F7 65 6E 64 F7
So the second 'e' (65) occurs where a new SysEx message should start, i.e. where F0 is expected: this is what BC Manager means by "No Exclusive status".

So I'm a bit curious how this file was generated; was there a bug in the generating program?

In any case, it is very simple to fix this specific file: just remove the last four bytes.
You can use a generic hexadecimal editor for this.
Alternatively, you can use BC Manager's File -> Convert -> "Syx to txt/bc2" (from the main menu): BC Manager then produces an error message "Stream read error", but still creates the txt file correctly, which you can then simply open normally in BC Manager (and convert back to a syx file, if you wish).

Hope this helps,
Mark.

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-04 by Rainer

Super, thanks for the tip! I got it working now, great to see my long-time companion accessible with the BCR!
Thanks ofc also to the maker of the preset!

Cheers,
Rainer

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" <klorisk@> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, the file "Kawai K4_1.syx" does not seem to work properly, both in BC Manager and in BCR Edit it can't be imported, while the 2nd can be.
> > 
> > The BC Manager gives the following error when importing:
> > Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> > No Exclusive status
> > 
> > Could you perhaps check the file and perhaps re-export it from your setup, and re-upload it?
> 
> Since you mentioned BC Manager, I got curious, out of a sense of responsibility - just to check the error message wasn't caused by some kind of bug in BC Manager...
> 
> I found that what's wrong with the file is that the last 4 bytes ('end' plus F7) of the last SysEx message are inexplicably repeated:
> F0 ... 65 6E 64 F7 65 6E 64 F7
> So the second 'e' (65) occurs where a new SysEx message should start, i.e. where F0 is expected: this is what BC Manager means by "No Exclusive status".
> 
> So I'm a bit curious how this file was generated; was there a bug in the generating program?
> 
> In any case, it is very simple to fix this specific file: just remove the last four bytes.
> You can use a generic hexadecimal editor for this.
> Alternatively, you can use BC Manager's File -> Convert -> "Syx to txt/bc2" (from the main menu): BC Manager then produces an error message "Stream read error", but still creates the txt file correctly, which you can then simply open normally in BC Manager (and convert back to a syx file, if you wish).
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-06 by Royce

Thanks for that  Mark.

It is not in my original so perhaps Alan could check his version (he up loaded it ) and see if there is a problem in his version.

All the best
Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" <klorisk@> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, the file "Kawai K4_1.syx" does not seem to work properly, both in BC Manager and in BCR Edit it can't be imported, while the 2nd can be.
> > 
> > The BC Manager gives the following error when importing:
> > Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> > No Exclusive status
> > 
> > Could you perhaps check the file and perhaps re-export it from your setup, and re-upload it?
> 
> Since you mentioned BC Manager, I got curious, out of a sense of responsibility - just to check the error message wasn't caused by some kind of bug in BC Manager...
> 
> I found that what's wrong with the file is that the last 4 bytes ('end' plus F7) of the last SysEx message are inexplicably repeated:
> F0 ... 65 6E 64 F7 65 6E 64 F7
> So the second 'e' (65) occurs where a new SysEx message should start, i.e. where F0 is expected: this is what BC Manager means by "No Exclusive status".
> 
> So I'm a bit curious how this file was generated; was there a bug in the generating program?
> 
> In any case, it is very simple to fix this specific file: just remove the last four bytes.
> You can use a generic hexadecimal editor for this.
> Alternatively, you can use BC Manager's File -> Convert -> "Syx to txt/bc2" (from the main menu): BC Manager then produces an error message "Stream read error", but still creates the txt file correctly, which you can then simply open normally in BC Manager (and convert back to a syx file, if you wish).
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-06 by Alan

Hi Mark,

No, I could find no problem in my copy. I've not made any changes to the preset as Royce wrote it, I wouldn't know how, so I don't know what's happened there.

Cheers,
Alan

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for that  Mark.
> 
> It is not in my original so perhaps Alan could check his version (he up loaded it ) and see if there is a problem in his version.
> 
> All the best
> Royce
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rainer" <klorisk@> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, the file "Kawai K4_1.syx" does not seem to work properly, both in BC Manager and in BCR Edit it can't be imported, while the 2nd can be.
> > > 
> > > The BC Manager gives the following error when importing:
> > > Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> > > No Exclusive status
> > > 
> > > Could you perhaps check the file and perhaps re-export it from your setup, and re-upload it?
> > 
> > Since you mentioned BC Manager, I got curious, out of a sense of responsibility - just to check the error message wasn't caused by some kind of bug in BC Manager...
> > 
> > I found that what's wrong with the file is that the last 4 bytes ('end' plus F7) of the last SysEx message are inexplicably repeated:
> > F0 ... 65 6E 64 F7 65 6E 64 F7
> > So the second 'e' (65) occurs where a new SysEx message should start, i.e. where F0 is expected: this is what BC Manager means by "No Exclusive status".
> > 
> > So I'm a bit curious how this file was generated; was there a bug in the generating program?
> > 
> > In any case, it is very simple to fix this specific file: just remove the last four bytes.
> > You can use a generic hexadecimal editor for this.
> > Alternatively, you can use BC Manager's File -> Convert -> "Syx to txt/bc2" (from the main menu): BC Manager then produces an error message "Stream read error", but still creates the txt file correctly, which you can then simply open normally in BC Manager (and convert back to a syx file, if you wish).
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > Mark.
> >
>

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-07 by Mark

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote:
> No, I could find no problem in my copy. I've not made any changes to the preset as Royce wrote it, I wouldn't know how, so I don't know what's happened there.

So that seems to leave us with an uploading error. Still very strange.
(I think we can exclude a storage error at Yahoo or a downloading error.)

In any case: the invalid version currently in the Files section at Yahoo has a size of 18,392 bytes, so the correct version should have 18,388 bytes.
You might try uploading the correct version and then checking how big it is when you download it again.

Best wishes,
Mark.

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-12 by Alan

Hi Mark,

I just checked a version of this file in a folder on my computer marked 'Old version' and noticed that the date for this one is actually two days later than the one I uploaded. This may be where the problem lies. I've uploaded this file with an 'old' prefix. If it works better for you we should remove the other copy and take the 'old' prefix away.

Cheers,
Alan

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@> wrote:
> > No, I could find no problem in my copy. I've not made any changes to the preset as Royce wrote it, I wouldn't know how, so I don't know what's happened there.
> 
> So that seems to leave us with an uploading error. Still very strange.
> (I think we can exclude a storage error at Yahoo or a downloading error.)
> 
> In any case: the invalid version currently in the Files section at Yahoo has a size of 18,392 bytes, so the correct version should have 18,388 bytes.
> You might try uploading the correct version and then checking how big it is when you download it again.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Mark.
>

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-13 by Mark

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote:
> I just checked a version of this file in a folder on my computer marked 'Old version' and noticed that the date for this one is actually two days later than the one I uploaded. This may be where the problem lies. I've uploaded this file with an 'old' prefix. If it works better for you we should remove the other copy and take the 'old' prefix away.

"Old Kawai K4_1.syx" seems to be the correct version: it does not contain the invalid duplication of "end"+F7 at the end.

However, there are other differences as well: encoders 1, 9, 17 and 25 have ".showvalue off" in "Old Kawai K4_1.syx", but ".showvalue on" in "Kawai K4_1.syx".

So all in all "Old Kawai K4_1.syx" has the exact same size as "Kawai K4_1.syx" ...

In any case you should delete "Kawai K4_1.syx", and then perhaps fight it out with Royce about those showvalue settings...

Best wishes,
Mark.

Re: New Preset Added for Kawai K4r

2010-12-14 by Royce

Hi Mark 
> In any case you should delete "Kawai K4_1.syx", and then perhaps fight it out with Royce about those showvalue settings...

The showvalue was removed as the value needed a bit a twiddling to get it to work and the output was not a meaningful number for the user so I turned it off.
And besides, here at the BC200 group we haven't had to resort to pistols at ten paces for dispute resolution for some time now. 

All the best
Royce

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