Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Blackledge" <bill@> wrote:
> > Hi, I am no expert at programming the BCR - others, like Mark, can probably
> > best direct you.  But I found this info on MIDI bank changes which I thought
> > might be helpful
> > http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tutr/bank.htm
> 
> I've taken a quick look at the manual for the GR-20, and it indeed seems to work as described in this link: a Control Change "Bank Select MSB" message followed by a Program Change message.
> 
> The nice thing about the BCF and BCR is that they acoommodate this message combination for both buttons and encoders if you set the "MIDI Data Type" parameter (to use the manual's term) to "Program Change".
> 
> I'm not sure if the BCR can automatically select this via its Learn feature.
> However, it's very easy to program buttons and encoders manually on the BCR: simply choose "PC" (Program Change) and set a particular Bank MSB value.
> Or you can use a software editor like my own BC Manager, particularly if you want to set up a whole range of buttons/encoders.
> 
> See also sections 15.2 and 16.2 in my "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" (particularly the "MIDI Output" sections).
> 
> Hope this helps,
>    Mark.
>

>
> Thanks Bill & Mark - I'll have a go this weekend. I'm relatively new to midi but I think I get the idea. I'll let you know how it goes.
> Re the stage bit, Bill, I was intending to use a footswitch connected to the bcr for stage use with the bcr on a chair at the side of the stage once I've got it functioning. It's not ideal, but funds don't run to a dedicated midi footswitch.
> For use at home, being able to switch banks on the gr-20 by the bcr buttons would be really useful - and save me backache from bending down!  
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Blackledge" <bill@> wrote:
> > > Hi, I am no expert at programming the BCR - others, like Mark, can probably
> > > best direct you.  But I found this info on MIDI bank changes which I thought
> > > might be helpful
> > > http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tutr/bank.htm
> > 
> > I've taken a quick look at the manual for the GR-20, and it indeed seems to work as described in this link: a Control Change "Bank Select MSB" message followed by a Program Change message.
> > 
> > The nice thing about the BCF and BCR is that they acoommodate this message combination for both buttons and encoders if you set the "MIDI Data Type" parameter (to use the manual's term) to "Program Change".
> > 
> > I'm not sure if the BCR can automatically select this via its Learn feature.
> > However, it's very easy to program buttons and encoders manually on the BCR: simply choose "PC" (Program Change) and set a particular Bank MSB value.
> > Or you can use a software editor like my own BC Manager, particularly if you want to set up a whole range of buttons/encoders.
> > 
> > See also sections 15.2 and 16.2 in my "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" (particularly the "MIDI Output" sections).
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> >    Mark.
> >
>

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "david126300" <dave.upton@> wrote:
> >
> > I've spent several hours scratching my head & thought I'd ask for a bit more newbie guidance. I can't seem to program the needed values either directly on the bcr (using edit) or via the bc manager. So, if someone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
> > 
> > The gt-8, which I'm trying to emulate, sends out:
> > B0 00 00 CC
> > B0 20 00 CC
> > C0 03 -- PC (if from the 4th footswitch, for example - that much I understand)
> > 
> > The nearest I've got following Mark's help is:
> > B0 00 00 CC
> > B0 32 00 CC
> > C0 3     PC 
> 
> First of all: I don't understand how the BCR could send "B0 32 00".
> Is there some confusion concerning decimal versus hexadecimal representations? (32 decimal = 20 hexadecimal.)
> 
> Secomdly: the GR-20 manual, p. 41, states that "The LSB of Bank Select is ignored."
> So I think you don't even have to send the second CC message (as sent by the GT-8).
> 
> So for instance, to assign the message described above (without the second CC message) to a BCR button via BC Manager, you can do the following:
> 
> On the "Standard output" tab of the button dialog box, you select the following parameters:
> Type: Program Change
> Channel: 1
> Bank MSB: 0
> Bank LSB: Off
> Program: 3
> (It will probably help to set "Show value" on the "General" tab as well.)
> 
> You then have to upload the new preset definition to the BCR.
> If you're in preset 0 (the temporary preset), you can even send the individual button's definition to test immediately if it produces the desired output.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

>
> Thanks Mark,
> Sorry about the hex/dec confusion - I was using my laptop with midi ox to monitor the GT-8 & your prog to monitor the bcr on the desktop. (doh)They were of course sending the same. 
> The gr-20 has to learn which patch to switch to. The message specifies which patch on the gt8 has called it (rather than the patch to change to)and you need to use the patch link function on the gr-20 to select the synth patch required. The BCR needs to be in stand-alone mode once the buttons are programmed. So, it now works. The next step is to program the rest of the buttons.
> Thanks for the help & advice
> Dave
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "david126300" <dave.upton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've spent several hours scratching my head & thought I'd ask for a bit more newbie guidance. I can't seem to program the needed values either directly on the bcr (using edit) or via the bc manager. So, if someone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
> > > 
> > > The gt-8, which I'm trying to emulate, sends out:
> > > B0 00 00 CC
> > > B0 20 00 CC
> > > C0 03 -- PC (if from the 4th footswitch, for example - that much I understand)
> > > 
> > > The nearest I've got following Mark's help is:
> > > B0 00 00 CC
> > > B0 32 00 CC
> > > C0 3     PC 
> > 
> > First of all: I don't understand how the BCR could send "B0 32 00".
> > Is there some confusion concerning decimal versus hexadecimal representations? (32 decimal = 20 hexadecimal.)
> > 
> > Secomdly: the GR-20 manual, p. 41, states that "The LSB of Bank Select is ignored."
> > So I think you don't even have to send the second CC message (as sent by the GT-8).
> > 
> > So for instance, to assign the message described above (without the second CC message) to a BCR button via BC Manager, you can do the following:
> > 
> > On the "Standard output" tab of the button dialog box, you select the following parameters:
> > Type: Program Change
> > Channel: 1
> > Bank MSB: 0
> > Bank LSB: Off
> > Program: 3
> > (It will probably help to set "Show value" on the "General" tab as well.)
> > 
> > You then have to upload the new preset definition to the BCR.
> > If you're in preset 0 (the temporary preset), you can even send the individual button's definition to test immediately if it produces the desired output.
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > Mark.
> >
>

On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "twobeelandscape" <bill@...> wrote:

> Mark
> 
> If 'BC2000' was a country, you'd be a national treasure :-)
> 
> It's not really my place as I'm only a BCR2000 newby, but on behalf of myself - if not the community - I'd just like to say thank you. Always helpful, courteous and patient, and above all, very knowledgeable.
> 
> I'm still wiring up my studio, but really looking forward to setting up a BCR2000 patch for my AN1X. With folks like yourself and others on this forum, it feels like anything is possible.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "david126300" <dave.upton@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Mark,
> > Sorry about the hex/dec confusion - I was using my laptop with midi ox to monitor the GT-8 & your prog to monitor the bcr on the desktop. (doh)They were of course sending the same. 
> > The gr-20 has to learn which patch to switch to. The message specifies which patch on the gt8 has called it (rather than the patch to change to)and you need to use the patch link function on the gr-20 to select the synth patch required. The BCR needs to be in stand-alone mode once the buttons are programmed. So, it now works. The next step is to program the rest of the buttons.
> > Thanks for the help & advice
> > Dave
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "david126300" <dave.upton@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've spent several hours scratching my head & thought I'd ask for a bit more newbie guidance. I can't seem to program the needed values either directly on the bcr (using edit) or via the bc manager. So, if someone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
> > > > 
> > > > The gt-8, which I'm trying to emulate, sends out:
> > > > B0 00 00 CC
> > > > B0 20 00 CC
> > > > C0 03 -- PC (if from the 4th footswitch, for example - that much I understand)
> > > > 
> > > > The nearest I've got following Mark's help is:
> > > > B0 00 00 CC
> > > > B0 32 00 CC
> > > > C0 3 PC 
> > > 
> > > First of all: I don't understand how the BCR could send "B0 32 00".
> > > Is there some confusion concerning decimal versus hexadecimal representations? (32 decimal = 20 hexadecimal.)
> > > 
> > > Secomdly: the GR-20 manual, p. 41, states that "The LSB of Bank Select is ignored."
> > > So I think you don't even have to send the second CC message (as sent by the GT-8).
> > > 
> > > So for instance, to assign the message described above (without the second CC message) to a BCR button via BC Manager, you can do the following:
> > > 
> > > On the "Standard output" tab of the button dialog box, you select the following parameters:
> > > Type: Program Change
> > > Channel: 1
> > > Bank MSB: 0
> > > Bank LSB: Off
> > > Program: 3
> > > (It will probably help to set "Show value" on the "General" tab as well.)
> > > 
> > > You then have to upload the new preset definition to the BCR.
> > > If you're in preset 0 (the temporary preset), you can even send the individual button's definition to test immediately if it produces the desired output.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps,
> > > Mark.
> > >
> >
> 
> 
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> On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "twobeelandscape" <bill@...> wrote:
> 
> > Mark
> > 
> > If 'BC2000' was a country, you'd be a national treasure :-)
> > 
> > It's not really my place as I'm only a BCR2000 newby, but on behalf of myself - if not the community - I'd just like to say thank you. Always helpful, courteous and patient, and above all, very knowledgeable.