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New bcf2000 - couple of questions

New bcf2000 - couple of questions

2015-07-04 by Mat Mirabella

Hi all.

My new BCF2000 is working ok for now, it looks like it will be very useful.
I have a couple of questions.

first, online people seem to suggest that there is a behringer driver for windows, but i cannot find where that is. i looked on the behringer website, and while i found a bunch of pdfs and the app to update the firmware etc. i did not see a driver.  Has this been removed or is there a download for it somewhere else?

Second, I can't seem to find anywhere that describes the kinds of cables that are expected to be used for the footswitch jacks. they look a bit like 1/4 inch jacks.  Do they expect just a normal 1/4 inch cable or something different? I know for example the fcb1010 foot controller also has these switch jacks, and I anticipate being able to connect these two units at some stage.

Any comments re this would be welcome.

Mat.

Re: New bcf2000 - couple of questions

2015-07-04 by senang

It would be helpful if you told us about which version of Windows you are useing and with what DAW...

If you are on Win 7 (63x) this is is the link to the driver: http://www.behringerdownload.de/_sof...X64_1.0.10.zip and some links regarding using the BCF2000 with different DAW's.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/10419078-post17.html
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=195793
http://protoolsquicktips.blogspot.nl/2013/08/behringer-bcf2000-control-surface-and.html

Also a tip: Get BC Manager: http://mountainutilities.eu/bcmanager

Btw. You should be able to get it to work without it but that's trial and eror.

I don't use a footswitch so I can't help you with that but honestly, a Google search should do.


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Re: New bcf2000 - couple of questions

2015-07-11 by rpcfender@...

Hi Mat
about the 1/4" (6mm) switch jacks on the back.
Page 6 of the manual will tell you that on the BCR Switch 1 is a Tip Ring Sleeve (TRS) or stereo jack socket as it is more commonly known. Switch 2 is just a 1/4 Tip Sleeve or mono socket.

You can use Switch 1 for both switches on a single cable by wiring the tip to one switch and the ring to another and the the sleeve to the common tags on both switches. Usually microphone coax cable is used with the ground shield used between the common tags and the sleeve.

Tip -----------\
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Switch 1
Sleeve ------|-
Switch 2
Ring----------/

This doesn't mean you can have 3 switches. Switch 2 becomes unusable.
The FBC1010 has a relay in it's footswitch output and so you can connect it to the footswitch in on the BC2k.

I gather that Behringer are about to release a 2 switch pedal that will work perfectly as well.
Also their V-Amp series came with an identical 2 button switch.

All the best
Royce

RE: [bc2000] Re: New bcf2000 - couple of questions

2015-07-11 by Mat Mirabella

thanks for this.
how about using the fcb1010 with the bcf2000 where the fcb1010 is being used as a footswitch.  do you think this is feasable?
Mat.
 
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Hi Mat 

about the 1/4" (6mm) switch jacks on the back.
Page 6 of the manual will tell you that on the BCR Switch 1 is a Tip Ring Sleeve (TRS) or stereo jack socket as it is more commonly known. Switch 2 is just a 1/4 Tip Sleeve or mono socket.

You can use Switch 1 for both switches on a single cable by wiring the tip to one switch and the ring to another and the the sleeve to the common tags on both switches. Usually microphone coax cable is used with the ground shield used between the common tags and the sleeve. 

Tip -----------\

Switch 1

Sleeve ------|-

Switch 2

Ring----------/

This doesn't mean you can have 3 switches. Switch 2 becomes unusable.
The FBC1010 has a relay in it's footswitch output and so you can connect it to the footswitch in on the BC2k.

I gather that Behringer are about to release a 2 switch pedal that will work perfectly as well.
Also their V-Amp series came with an identical 2 button switch. 

All the best
Royce

RE: [bc2000] Re: New bcf2000 - couple of questions

2015-07-12 by rpcfender@...

Hi Mat

The answer is 'yes' but I need to get a bit tech here.

The BCF has faders and therefore it is likely it uses a analog to digital converter (ADC).
So Behringer used one of the jacks as a controller connection for use with a expression pedal and the other is just a switch.

Although I haven't used it on my BCF it is likely the controller jack is a TRS with a voltage between the either the tip and sleeve or the ring and sleeve .
I'll assume the tip is the + voltage and the sleeve is the input the ADC sees, but you should check with a meter.


Tip -------+-------------o------|
Ring (in)---------------o<----| Pedal (Pot)
Sleeve (ground)-----o------|

The Input wants a voltage between 0 and the Tip voltage.
If you connect the input to the tip you will get max value.
If you connect the input to the sleeve you will get min value.
So it can act as a switch.

So to get the controller to act as a simple switch input you need a resistor (around 10k ohm but as I don't have the circuit diagram you might have to play around a bit with the value) to pull the input value to 0 volts when the switch is open (not connected)

Tip -------+-------------o-----|<-- Switch Tip
Ring (in)---------------o-----|<-- Switch sleeve -----|
Sleeve (ground)-----o-----|< --------- Resistor ----|

Hope this makes sense.

Connecting the sleeve and the ring together without a resistor and then switching to the tip in could be a disaster as it would be connecting the voltage straight to ground..!!!!


Anyone who has done this or knows any more info about this port might like to chime in here before I embarrass myself too much.

All the best
Royce

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