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VCO low freq limit, etc.

VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-24 by charlesosthelder

Hi all!

I've got two VCO pcb's on order and am getting the parts together
(yes, I'll get a US parts list together!)for an all-the-options setup.

Can anyone tell me what the typical low frequency limit is without
mods? Also, do you have any useful build info that hasn't been
presented on the list?

Thanks!

Chub

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-25 by dustin sedlacek

speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:52 -0000, charlesosthelder
<osthelder@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> I've got two VCO pcb's on order and am getting the parts together
> (yes, I'll get a US parts list together!)for an all-the-options setup.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the typical low frequency limit is without
> mods? Also, do you have any useful build info that hasn't been
> presented on the list?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chub
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-25 by charlesosthelder

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek
<dustin.sedlacek@g...> wrote:
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> speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?
> Dustin

Check the archives, Dustin. Both Ken and Richard
Brewster have made some suggestions.

I'll be using Richard's resistor mod for a sawtooth output centered
on zero volts. Mostly, I'll be removing things - the second CV
processor input, the extra V/oct ins, the 0-10v sine - but keeping
everything else.

I have another question, though. Is the sawtooth only 5Vp-p with
Richard's resistor mods?

Thanks!

Chub

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-25 by Richard Brewster

Yes, in fact I made several mods. I should upload my schematics to show
all the changes, but I just moved to a new house and the computer with
my drawing program is still packed up along with my modular synth. I
changed the sawtooth output to be +/-5V, and drove the pulse wave
comparator from that with DC coupling, so the pulse wave always tracks
down to the lowest frequency. I added a bit of hysteresis to the pulse
comparator on the output. I made some changes to the frequency controls
inputs, too. I followed some ideas from the ASM VCO, which I recommend
you have a look at for reference. Ken's VCO board allows you to build
it in a lot of different configurations. I only built the VCO core and
didn't use the waveshapers because I wanted to have two VCOs in 1U MOTM
size panels.

As for the low frequency limit, the VCO core will go quite low with
negative VC inputs. But because the waveshapers are AC coupled, these
will have a low frequency limit in the low audio range, I would think.

-Richard Brewster

dustin sedlacek wrote:
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>speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?
>
>
>On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:52 -0000, charlesosthelder
><osthelder@...> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I've got two VCO pcb's on order and am getting the parts together
>> (yes, I'll get a US parts list together!)for an all-the-options setup.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me what the typical low frequency limit is without
>> mods? Also, do you have any useful build info that hasn't been
>> presented on the list?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chub
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-26 by Richard Brewster

The sawtooth is +/-5V (10V p-p) with the mod I made. I found this old
post in the archives:

The sawtooth buffer amp shows a 330K feedback resistor and a 240K bias
on the schematic. I inserted pots and adjusted to get a +/-5V sawtooth.
The values turned out to be exactly 200K / 600K, just like the ASM-1.
This is also just what you would expect to convert the 0-5V signal out
of the CA3140. Double the voltage (200K/100K), then offset the 0 to -10V
result back to +/-5.

-Richard

charlesosthelder wrote:
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>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek
><dustin.sedlacek@g...> wrote:
>
>
>>speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?
>>Dustin
>>
>>
>
>Check the archives, Dustin. Both Ken and Richard
>Brewster have made some suggestions.
>
>I'll be using Richard's resistor mod for a sawtooth output centered
>on zero volts. Mostly, I'll be removing things - the second CV
>processor input, the extra V/oct ins, the 0-10v sine - but keeping
>everything else.
>
>I have another question, though. Is the sawtooth only 5Vp-p with
>Richard's resistor mods?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chub
>
>
>
>
>
>
>See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
>Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-26 by dustin sedlacek

i should check the archives ....something that i didnt think of ...i
am sure that many of my unanswered questions are there ... i am a bit
new to the DIY scene so pardon me if i am oblivious

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:31:09 -0500, Richard Brewster
<pugix@...> wrote:
> The sawtooth is +/-5V (10V p-p) with the mod I made. I found this old
> post in the archives:
>
> The sawtooth buffer amp shows a 330K feedback resistor and a 240K bias
> on the schematic. I inserted pots and adjusted to get a +/-5V sawtooth.
> The values turned out to be exactly 200K / 600K, just like the ASM-1.
> This is also just what you would expect to convert the 0-5V signal out
> of the CA3140. Double the voltage (200K/100K), then offset the 0 to -10V
> result back to +/-5.
>
> -Richard
>
> charlesosthelder wrote:
>
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek
> ><dustin.sedlacek@g...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?
> >>Dustin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Check the archives, Dustin. Both Ken and Richard
> >Brewster have made some suggestions.
> >
> >I'll be using Richard's resistor mod for a sawtooth output centered
> >on zero volts. Mostly, I'll be removing things - the second CV
> >processor input, the extra V/oct ins, the 0-10v sine - but keeping
> >everything else.
> >
> >I have another question, though. Is the sawtooth only 5Vp-p with
> >Richard's resistor mods?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Chub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> >Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
>
>
>
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--
Dustin

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-26 by dustin sedlacek

richard you said "As for the low frequency limit, the VCO core will go
quite low with
negative VC inputs." isnt this the same as through zero ?

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:18:02 -0500, Richard Brewster
<pugix@...> wrote:
> Yes, in fact I made several mods. I should upload my schematics to show
> all the changes, but I just moved to a new house and the computer with
> my drawing program is still packed up along with my modular synth. I
> changed the sawtooth output to be +/-5V, and drove the pulse wave
> comparator from that with DC coupling, so the pulse wave always tracks
> down to the lowest frequency. I added a bit of hysteresis to the pulse
> comparator on the output. I made some changes to the frequency controls
> inputs, too. I followed some ideas from the ASM VCO, which I recommend
> you have a look at for reference. Ken's VCO board allows you to build
> it in a lot of different configurations. I only built the VCO core and
> didn't use the waveshapers because I wanted to have two VCOs in 1U MOTM
> size panels.
>
> As for the low frequency limit, the VCO core will go quite low with
> negative VC inputs. But because the waveshapers are AC coupled, these
> will have a low frequency limit in the low audio range, I would think.
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
>
> dustin sedlacek wrote:
>
> >speaking of the VCO - anyone made any mods to it ?
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:52 -0000, charlesosthelder
> ><osthelder@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hi all!
> >>
> >> I've got two VCO pcb's on order and am getting the parts together
> >> (yes, I'll get a US parts list together!)for an all-the-options setup.
> >>
> >> Can anyone tell me what the typical low frequency limit is without
> >> mods? Also, do you have any useful build info that hasn't been
> >> presented on the list?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Chub
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
> See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
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>
>
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>
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--
Dustin

Re: VCO low freq limit, etc.

2005-03-26 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>
>richard you said "As for the low frequency limit, the VCO core will go
>quite low with
>negative VC inputs." isnt this the same as through zero ?

No. With through zero, the frequency climbs again. The frequency for 1V is
the same as for -1V, however the phase is reversed.

Ken
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