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Ken Stone VCO

Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-30 by josh

Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I seem
to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had alot of
them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
Thanks
Josh

Re: Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-30 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly placed
component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight difference in
stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working or not.

Ken
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>Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I seem
>to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
>clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
>is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
>looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
>lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had alot of
>them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
>Thanks
>Josh
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>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-30 by josh

Thanks for the reply,
I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
or things to check to narrow down the fault?
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>
> I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
placed
> component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight difference in
> stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
or not.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I seem
> >to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
> >clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
> >is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
> >looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
> >lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had alot of
> >them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
> >Thanks
> >Josh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

Re: Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-31 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

The wave should remain at a constant height for all incoming voltages. This
suggests that there is something wrong with the current source (the dual
transistor and the parts around it). The current source appears to be
accting as a voltage source at the moment.

Ken
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>Thanks for the reply,
>I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
>apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
>notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
>and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
>gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
>than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
>normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
>i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
>or things to check to narrow down the fault?
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>>
>> I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
>placed
>> component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight difference in
>> stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
>or not.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I seem
>> >to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
>> >clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
>> >is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
>> >looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
>> >lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had alot of
>> >them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
>> >Thanks
>> >Josh
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
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>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-31 by Richard Brewster

Double check all the capacitor values again. A 68pf cap is in the
feedback loop of the sawtooth buffer op amp. If this is a large value
by mistake it would act as a low pass filter, cutting off higher
frequencies. I used 18pf there. It is only to prevent parasitic
oscillations.

Richard Brewster

josh wrote:
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>Thanks for the reply,
>I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
>apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
>notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
>and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
>gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
>than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
>normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
>i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
>or things to check to narrow down the fault?
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>
>
>>I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
>>
>>
>placed
>
>
>>component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight difference in
>>stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
>>
>>
>or not.
>
>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I seem
>>>to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
>>>clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
>>>is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
>>>looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
>>>lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had alot of
>>>them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
>>>Thanks
>>>Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>_______________________________________________________________________
>>Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
>>Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>>Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Ken Stone VCO

2005-12-31 by josh

Ok, i have a good pure sawtooth at the output of CA3140 but after it
goes though the next TL072 the sound gets mangled and acts like a
lowpass filter. I changed the 68pF cap to 18p and i get a better range
over the octaves, but i have opted just to remove it. I also had to
lower the value of the 330k Resistor because the gain was too high.
Thanks for all your help. It seems to be working fine now.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@e...> wrote:
>
> Double check all the capacitor values again. A 68pf cap is in the
> feedback loop of the sawtooth buffer op amp. If this is a large value
> by mistake it would act as a low pass filter, cutting off higher
> frequencies. I used 18pf there. It is only to prevent parasitic
> oscillations.
>
> Richard Brewster
>
> josh wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the reply,
> >I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
> >apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
> >notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
> >and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
> >gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
> >than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
> >normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
> >i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
> >or things to check to narrow down the fault?
> >
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
> >>
> >>
> >placed
> >
> >
> >>component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight
difference in
> >>stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
> >>
> >>
> >or not.
> >
> >
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it. I
seem
> >>>to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
> >>>clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases and it
> >>>is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
> >>>looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem might
> >>>lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had
alot of
> >>>them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
> >>>Thanks
> >>>Josh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>_______________________________________________________________________
> >>Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> >>Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> >>Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Ken Stone VCO

2006-01-03 by josh

What is the purpose of the processor inputs on this vco?
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>
> The wave should remain at a constant height for all incoming
voltages. This
> suggests that there is something wrong with the current source (the dual
> transistor and the parts around it). The current source appears to be
> accting as a voltage source at the moment.
>
> Ken
>
> >Thanks for the reply,
> >I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
> >apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
> >notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
> >and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
> >gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
> >than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
> >normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
> >i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
> >or things to check to narrow down the fault?
> >
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> >>
> >> I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
> >placed
> >> component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight
difference in
> >> stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
> >or not.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> >Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it.
I seem
> >> >to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
> >> >clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases
and it
> >> >is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
> >> >looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem
might
> >> >lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had
alot of
> >> >them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
> >> >Thanks
> >> >Josh
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >> >
> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
_______________________________________________________________________
> >> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

Re: Ken Stone VCO

2006-01-03 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>What is the purpose of the processor inputs on this vco?

They are modulation inputs. They can be adjusted for negative or positive
operation.

Ken

>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>>
>> The wave should remain at a constant height for all incoming
>voltages. This
>> suggests that there is something wrong with the current source (the dual
>> transistor and the parts around it). The current source appears to be
>> accting as a voltage source at the moment.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >Thanks for the reply,
>> >I'm double checking everything but nothing seems abnormal. When i
>> >apply CV it changes octave correctly and can be tuned but the lower
>> >notes have so much gain that the upper haves of the signal are clipped
>> >and the output is about 6V pk-pk. when i play the higher notes the
>> >gain starts to decrease. two or three octaves up the amplitude is less
>> >than 1V pk-pk. Should i get a clean saw with this? Is decreasing gain
>> >normal for the higher octaves? I'm going to go on the assumption that
>> >i have an improperly placed resistor. Does amyone have any suggestions
>> >or things to check to narrow down the fault?
>> >
>> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I suggest you look elsewhere for the fault - more likely a wrongly
>> >placed
>> >> component. Using 2% resistors will at most cause a slight
>difference in
>> >> stability. It certainly won't be the difference between it working
>> >or not.
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >> >Hey. I just built the ken stone vco and i am trying to test it.
>I seem
>> >> >to be having a problem. The oscillator with no CV applied looks
>> >> >clipped. When i add higher CV voltages the amplitude decreases
>and it
>> >> >is no longer clipped. It also does not give a clean saw output. It
>> >> >looks more like a half rectified sinewave. I believe my problem
>might
>> >> >lie in that i used alot of 2% metal film resistors since i had
>alot of
>> >> >them already. Does anyone have any sugestions.
>> >> >Thanks
>> >> >Josh
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >> >
>> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>_______________________________________________________________________
>> >> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
>> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
><http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

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