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Problems with Synthacon VCF

Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-01 by janczmok

Hi all,

i finally was able to finish the Synthacon VCF but it's not working
as expected.

CV input does not react at any input feed.
Lowpass and Highpass are only passing 5% of the original value
Bandpass seem to work correctly.
The Resonance does not work at all, neither the frequency.

Did somebody has a clue what could be wrong ? Soldering seems fine.
I did use 2N2222 normal transistors.

any help appreciated.

--jan

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-01 by c10h14no2i

I'm NO expert, but the first things I'd try is to be sure your power
wires are all good. Test the voltage somewhere on the PCB where you
know it should be getting +15 and -15. Then I'd replace the tl071.
On mine, I had a few bad solder lands on the PCB. I built a bunch of
CGS modules, and the filter was the only pcb w/ any problems, but it
had 3 bad lands on it. I found the one causing the problem by taking
a patch cable that was going into my VCA. I had the VCA turned up.
Then I put a signal into the LP, BP, HP, inputs (not all at the same
time) and took the cable going to the VCA and touched a bunch of
points on the PCB. I finally found one where I got no sound, where
there should have been sound. Traced it to the nearest component, and
bingo.. there was the bad connection. I didn't go touching random
spots w/ the cable.. but I followed the path that the audio takes.
You probably dont want to connect +15 to your VCA :)

I have no training in electronics, so this testing method may be a
really bad idea.. I dono. However, it worked for me.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "janczmok" <jan@...> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> i finally was able to finish the Synthacon VCF but it's not working
> as expected.
>
> CV input does not react at any input feed.
> Lowpass and Highpass are only passing 5% of the original value
> Bandpass seem to work correctly.
> The Resonance does not work at all, neither the frequency.
>
> Did somebody has a clue what could be wrong ? Soldering seems fine.
> I did use 2N2222 normal transistors.
>
> any help appreciated.
>
> --jan
>

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-01 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 02.03.2006, at 00:38, c10h14no2i wrote:
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> I'm NO expert, but the first things I'd try is to be sure your power
> wires are all good. Test the voltage somewhere on the PCB where you
> know it should be getting +15 and -15. Then I'd replace the tl071.
> On mine, I had a few bad solder lands on the PCB. I built a bunch of
> CGS modules, and the filter was the only pcb w/ any problems, but it
> had 3 bad lands on it. I found the one causing the problem by taking
> a patch cable that was going into my VCA. I had the VCA turned up.
> Then I put a signal into the LP, BP, HP, inputs (not all at the same
> time) and took the cable going to the VCA and touched a bunch of
> points on the PCB. I finally found one where I got no sound, where
> there should have been sound. Traced it to the nearest component, and
> bingo.. there was the bad connection. I didn't go touching random
> spots w/ the cable.. but I followed the path that the audio takes.
> You probably dont want to connect +15 to your VCA :)

I debugged everything, after a tip from Ken i replaced the 2N2222 with
the right "TO-case" ones. nothing changed better.

Some questions do arise during the debugging:

a) I see the CV and FREQ IN at the "entry point" to the PCB, behind
the 220K (nearby the CV input’s) i just see _nothing_ at all, no wave
or power behind
the 220K ones. if i shorten the 220K it seems to "slightly" better
working.

Any more hints / ideas ?

i'll replace the TL071 now..

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

I was still able to see(hear) a very low signal after the input
resistors. Then nothing after the one w/ the bad land.
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> a) I see the CV and FREQ IN at the "entry point" to the PCB, behind
> the 220K (nearby the CV input's) i just see _nothing_ at all, no wave
> or power behind
> the 220K ones. if i shorten the 220K it seems to "slightly" better
> working.
>
> Any more hints / ideas ?
>
> i'll replace the TL071 now..
>

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 02.03.2006, at 03:25, c10h14no2i wrote:
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> I was still able to see(hear) a very low signal after the input
> resistors. Then nothing after the one w/ the bad land.
>

Well. i changed the TL071CN - nothing changes.
I resoldered everything. All values of the Resistors + Capacitors are
o.k.
no bad leads or anything other.

I just don't see the 5V CV signal after the 220K... If i touch the
1N2222 on the right end, i hear strong humming.

If i don't see a signal on the other end: means short ? or anything
else ?

*sigh* seems i need to recheck EVERY thing again tomorrow ...

--jan

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 02.03.2006, at 03:25, c10h14no2i wrote:
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> I was still able to see(hear) a very low signal after the input
> resistors. Then nothing after the one w/ the bad land.

addtion: i found one 10nF which should be 100nF and replaced and
found one bad lead. But now it's completely silent :-(

I'll get all parts again and resolder the whole PCB ...

--jan

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Circuit may vary from current version, but this should help:

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/pic/schem_cgs35_syntha_vcf_voltages.jpg

There WILL NOT be 5 volts after that 220k because the transistors clamp it
to 0V.

Ken
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>On 02.03.2006, at 03:25, c10h14no2i wrote:
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>> I was still able to see(hear) a very low signal after the input
>> resistors. Then nothing after the one w/ the bad land.
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>Well. i changed the TL071CN - nothing changes.
>I resoldered everything. All values of the Resistors + Capacitors are
>o.k.
>no bad leads or anything other.
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>I just don't see the 5V CV signal after the 220K... If i touch the
>1N2222 on the right end, i hear strong humming.
>
>If i don't see a signal on the other end: means short ? or anything
>else ?
>
>*sigh* seems i need to recheck EVERY thing again tomorrow ...
>
>--jan
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Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

Dont give up yet. The only time Ive given up and de and resoldered
everything, I wound up w/ many more problems than I originally had.

The voltages Ken posted are great! I wish I had something like that
for everything Ive ever had trouble w/.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Jan-Ahrent Czmok <jan@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 02.03.2006, at 03:25, c10h14no2i wrote:
>
> > I was still able to see(hear) a very low signal after the input
> > resistors. Then nothing after the one w/ the bad land.
>
> addtion: i found one 10nF which should be 100nF and replaced and
> found one bad lead. But now it's completely silent :-(
>
> I'll get all parts again and resolder the whole PCB ...
>
> --jan
>

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-02 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 02.03.2006, at 05:33, sasami@... wrote:
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> Circuit may vary from current version, but this should help:
>
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/pic/
> schem_cgs35_syntha_vcf_voltages.jpg
>
> There WILL NOT be 5 volts after that 220k because the transistors
> clamp it
> to 0V.
>
> Ken

Ken and all,

excellent; this will help me debugging the circuit. Nevertheless i am
buying some capacitors (running out of stock).
and the IC's again (just to be sure)..

thanks; i'll keep you updated.

--jan

Re: Problems with Synthacon VCF

2006-03-15 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 02.03.2006, at 05:33, sasami@... wrote:
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> Circuit may vary from current version, but this should help:
>
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/pic/
> schem_cgs35_syntha_vcf_voltages.jpg
>
> There WILL NOT be 5 volts after that 220k because the transistors
> clamp it
> to 0V.
>
> Ken
>

hi,

today i re-soldered the other PCB and immediately the syntacon is
working :-)

great filter ! thanks for all support.


--jan

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