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> I have two steiner filters that i have built and neither one will work. I
> have no output and the pots don't seem to do anything. When i touch the
> bare metal of the resonance pot, the output buzzes real loud. I don't
> understand what could be wrong. I have checked the resistors and caps
> several times and they are all correct values and position. I have applied
> an input to all three inputs and still nothing on both filters. Where should
> i start looking for problems. My o-scope shows a sharp decrease in the
> signal right after the first resistor on the LP input and i have no output
> on the 2n3907.
> any sugestions
> thanks
> Josh

On 3/30/06, Rykhaard D.A.M.I.A.N. <rykhaard@...> wrote:
>
> On 3/30/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
> > I have two steiner filters that i have built and neither one will work.
> I
> > have no output and the pots don't seem to do anything. When i touch the
> > bare metal of the resonance pot, the output buzzes real loud. I don't
> > understand what could be wrong. I have checked the resistors and caps
> > several times and they are all correct values and position. I have
> applied
> > an input to all three inputs and still nothing on both filters. Where
> should
> > i start looking for problems. My o-scope shows a sharp decrease in the
> > signal right after the first resistor on the LP input and i have no
> output
> > on the 2n3907.
> > any sugestions
> > thanks
> > Josh
>
> Exact same problem that i had, with the perfboard one that I built. :(
> Waiting until I can order 1 or 2 boards of it, before I attempt to
> build one again. :(
>
> --
> Take care,
> Warmth and Peace,
> Ryk
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From: "Louis van Dompselaar" <louis@...>
To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] steiner filter problems


> josh summitt wrote:
> > Has anyone been able to get this filter to work?
>
> Yes, mine is working fine and has been from the moment it was built.
> Made no changes. Just built it according to Ken's web page (and
> on Ken's PCB as well).
>
> Louis
>
>
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

>I have also built the Steiner VCF and implemented John Loffink and Richard
>Brewsters mods for 1V/oct as well as adding a second FM and FM pots as per
>the schematic on Richard Brewster's webpage and it works perfectly, great
>module...
>
>I believe the Elec Caps on the newer boards are correct...
>
>I am still very new to this and don't understand much besides reading
>instructions, so far all the CGS items I've built work great (knock on wood
>as I am working on another 4 right now)...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louis van Dompselaar" <louis@...>
>To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] steiner filter problems
>
>
>
>
>>josh summitt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Has anyone been able to get this filter to work?
>>>
>>>
>>Yes, mine is working fine and has been from the moment it was built.
>>Made no changes. Just built it according to Ken's web page (and
>>on Ken's PCB as well).
>>
>>Louis
>>
>>
>>
>>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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On 3/30/06, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
>
> For reference:
>
> http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet-lower.htm#synthacon
>
> Click the schematic link to get the GIF.
>
> BTW, it is not exactly 1 volt/octave, but it is in the ballpark. Both
> of my filters work fine. I beta-matched the transistors to get a
> similar response in both filters.
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
>
> The Alison Project wrote:
>
> >I have also built the Steiner VCF and implemented John Loffink and
> Richard
> >Brewsters mods for 1V/oct as well as adding a second FM and FM pots as
> per
> >the schematic on Richard Brewster's webpage and it works perfectly, great
> >module...
> >
> >I believe the Elec Caps on the newer boards are correct...
> >
> >I am still very new to this and don't understand much besides reading
> >instructions, so far all the CGS items I've built work great (knock on
> wood
> >as I am working on another 4 right now)...
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Louis van Dompselaar" <louis@...>
> >To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] steiner filter problems
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>josh summitt wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Has anyone been able to get this filter to work?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Yes, mine is working fine and has been from the moment it was built.
> >>Made no changes. Just built it according to Ken's web page (and
> >>on Ken's PCB as well).
> >>
> >>Louis
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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On 3/30/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
>
> Well thanks, i'm going to hash out whats wrong with them tonight. I love
> the samples of this filter and cannot wait to get it finished.
> Josh
>
>
> On 3/30/06, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
> >
> > For reference:
> >
> > http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet-lower.htm#synthacon
> >
> > Click the schematic link to get the GIF.
> >
> > BTW, it is not exactly 1 volt/octave, but it is in the ballpark. Both
> > of my filters work fine. I beta-matched the transistors to get a
> > similar response in both filters.
> >
> > -Richard Brewster
> >
> >
> > The Alison Project wrote:
> >
> > >I have also built the Steiner VCF and implemented John Loffink and
> > Richard
> > >Brewsters mods for 1V/oct as well as adding a second FM and FM pots as
> > per
> > >the schematic on Richard Brewster's webpage and it works perfectly,
> > great
> > >module...
> > >
> > >I believe the Elec Caps on the newer boards are correct...
> > >
> > >I am still very new to this and don't understand much besides reading
> > >instructions, so far all the CGS items I've built work great (knock on
> > wood
> > >as I am working on another 4 right now)...
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Louis van Dompselaar" <louis@...>
> > >To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:13 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] steiner filter problems
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>josh summitt wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Has anyone been able to get this filter to work?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Yes, mine is working fine and has been from the moment it was built.
> > >>Made no changes. Just built it according to Ken's web page (and
> > >>on Ken's PCB as well).
> > >>
> > >>Louis
> > >>
> > >>
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>Still not getting it. I have been tracing my input though the circuit and i
>loose it entirely at the 2.2nF Capacitors. so i have no input into the base
>of the 2n2222. I have no idea what is wrong unless i have the wrong
>capacitors. Does it matter here what type of capacitor that you use. I am
>useing Polyethylene Metalized Film capacitors. I can not imagine that this
>would cause any problems. What kinda of caps are you guys using that got the
>filter to work?
>Josh
>
>On 3/30/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
>
>
>>Well thanks, i'm going to hash out whats wrong with them tonight. I love
>>the samples of this filter and cannot wait to get it finished.
>>Josh
>>
>>
>>On 3/30/06, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> For reference:
>>>
>>>http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet-lower.htm#synthacon
>>>
>>>Click the schematic link to get the GIF.
>>>
>>>BTW, it is not exactly 1 volt/octave, but it is in the ballpark. Both
>>>of my filters work fine. I beta-matched the transistors to get a
>>>similar response in both filters.
>>>
>>>-Richard Brewster
>>>
>>>
>>>The Alison Project wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have also built the Steiner VCF and implemented John Loffink and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brewsters mods for 1V/oct as well as adding a second FM and FM pots as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>per
>>>
>>>
>>>>the schematic on Richard Brewster's webpage and it works perfectly,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>great
>>>
>>>
>>>>module...
>>>>
>>>>I believe the Elec Caps on the newer boards are correct...
>>>>
>>>>I am still very new to this and don't understand much besides reading
>>>>instructions, so far all the CGS items I've built work great (knock on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>wood
>>>
>>>
>>>>as I am working on another 4 right now)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Louis van Dompselaar" <louis@...>
>>>>To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:13 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] steiner filter problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>josh summitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone been able to get this filter to work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, mine is working fine and has been from the moment it was built.
>>>>>Made no changes. Just built it according to Ken's web page (and
>>>>>on Ken's PCB as well).
>>>>>
>>>>>Louis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> These caps are critical. I used Mouser 23PS222, Polystyrene Film
> Capacitors. Same capacitor as in the CGS VCO.
>
> http://www.mouser.com
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
> josh summitt wrote:
>
> >Still not getting it. I have been tracing my input though the circuit
> and i
> >loose it entirely at the 2.2nF Capacitors. so i have no input into
> the base
> >of the 2n2222. I have no idea what is wrong unless i have the wrong
> >capacitors. Does it matter here what type of capacitor that you use. I am
> >useing Polyethylene Metalized Film capacitors. I can not imagine that
> this
> >would cause any problems. What kinda of caps are you guys using that
> got the
> >filter to work?
> >Josh
> >
> >On 3/30/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Well thanks, i'm going to hash out whats wrong with them tonight. I love
> >>the samples of this filter and cannot wait to get it finished.
> >>Josh

On 3/31/06, ken johnston <betweenpie@...> wrote:
>
> Have you checked that the actual circuit-board trace is working at the
> 2.2 cap? When I built mine (which I was never able to get to fully work,
> alas), I found the traces to be very delicate and easily destroyed by
> only a couple of resolders, that is, they'd break where the trace meets
> a mount point. So try a patch or two - that may be it.
>
>
> Richard Brewster wrote:
>
> > These caps are critical. I used Mouser 23PS222, Polystyrene Film
> > Capacitors. Same capacitor as in the CGS VCO.
> >
> > http://www.mouser.com
> >
> > -Richard Brewster
> >
> > josh summitt wrote:
> >
> > >Still not getting it. I have been tracing my input though the circuit
> > and i
> > >loose it entirely at the 2.2nF Capacitors. so i have no input into
> > the base
> > >of the 2n2222. I have no idea what is wrong unless i have the wrong
> > >capacitors. Does it matter here what type of capacitor that you use. I
> am
> > >useing Polyethylene Metalized Film capacitors. I can not imagine that
> > this
> > >would cause any problems. What kinda of caps are you guys using that
> > got the
> > >filter to work?
> > >Josh
> > >
> > >On 3/30/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Well thanks, i'm going to hash out whats wrong with them tonight. I
> love
> > >>the samples of this filter and cannot wait to get it finished.
> > >>Josh
>
>
>
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On 4/1/06, Louis van Dompselaar <louis@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I guess this board just has bad traces or the
> > copper is too thin.
>
> You're telling us you knew you lost the signal at some point and
> you hadn't checked the traces for connectivity with an ohm meter? ;-)
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> Hey, I checked. But i guess when i put pressure on the pad it make
> contact
> and checked ok. sheesh give me some credit. :) Now i get to make some
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> On 4/1/06, Louis van Dompselaar <louis@...> wrote:
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> > > I guess this board just has bad traces or the
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> > You're telling us you knew you lost the signal at some point and
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On 4/1/06, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
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> goodness josh with all that schooling you cannot find a short.... i give
> you
> no credit
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/1/06, josh summitt <ascetik@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I checked. But i guess when i put pressure on the pad it make
> > contact
> > and checked ok. sheesh give me some credit. :) Now i get to make some
> > front
> > panels. I want to put the evil transformers logo on the panel and call
> it
> > 'Dasynthacon'. I think that would look really cool!
> >
> >
> > On 4/1/06, Louis van Dompselaar <louis@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I guess this board just has bad traces or the
> > > > copper is too thin.
> > >
> > > You're telling us you knew you lost the signal at some point and
> > > you hadn't checked the traces for connectivity with an ohm meter? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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