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Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-21 by peng3002

I posted this to the SDIY list. Shoulda tried here first:


I have two Synthacon VCFs built on CGS boards. The third one is on the
way but before that I need to solve I problem I'm having. Turning the
Resonance pot produces a scratchy noise. I think this is a common
problem others have had, too. I'm under the impression that this is DC
through the pot. I've tried wiring a cap in a variety of ways with no
luck.

Has anyone built this VCF and DO NOT get scratchiness when turning the
res pot? To test, turn the inputs down (off) , turn the gain all the
way up, and turn the res pot back and forth a bunch of times.

I have tried swapping pots (all Alphas, though).

I have two completed modules and one on the board so any suggestions
or ideas will be carried out immediately.


Thanks in advance,
peng

Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-21 by bbluthang

Hi
maybe you missed it but this prob was discussed here a few weeks ago,
there were a few suggestions for fixes.

for your poll -
I have two Synthacons, one had a brand new Res pot and was noisy from
day 1. The other got a used pot from a dead 80s Panasonic tape
recorder (ie - not good quality) and it is completely quiet!

regards
Andrew
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <peng3002@...> wrote:
>
> I posted this to the SDIY list. Shoulda tried here first:
>
>
> I have two Synthacon VCFs built on CGS boards. The third one is on the
> way but before that I need to solve I problem I'm having. Turning the
> Resonance pot produces a scratchy noise. I think this is a common
> problem others have had, too. I'm under the impression that this is DC
> through the pot. I've tried wiring a cap in a variety of ways with no
> luck.
>
> Has anyone built this VCF and DO NOT get scratchiness when turning the
> res pot? To test, turn the inputs down (off) , turn the gain all the
> way up, and turn the res pot back and forth a bunch of times.
>
> I have tried swapping pots (all Alphas, though).
>
> I have two completed modules and one on the board so any suggestions
> or ideas will be carried out immediately.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> peng
>

Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by The Alison Project

Check back post from about a month ago, seems everyone has this problem. Not due to bad pots but DC getting into the pot. I've tried a couple of fixes posted on the board and nothing has worked.


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Subject: [cgs_synth] Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll


I posted this to the SDIY list. Shoulda tried here first:

I have two Synthacon VCFs built on CGS boards. The third one is on the
way but before that I need to solve I problem I'm having. Turning the
Resonance pot produces a scratchy noise. I think this is a common
problem others have had, too. I'm under the impression that this is DC
through the pot. I've tried wiring a cap in a variety of ways with no
luck.

Has anyone built this VCF and DO NOT get scratchiness when turning the
res pot? To test, turn the inputs down (off) , turn the gain all the
way up, and turn the res pot back and forth a bunch of times.

I have tried swapping pots (all Alphas, though).

I have two completed modules and one on the board so any suggestions
or ideas will be carried out immediately.

Thanks in advance,
peng





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Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by Charles Osthelder

That scratchiness is a feature. It's really cool with echo...

Has anyone used a vactrol? It should still be scratchy, but perhaps
less noticable. What about an OTA? They can be set up as
programmable resistors. The LM13700 would be an excellent starting
point for experimenting.

Seriously, do you guys have to tweak *every* knob? Maybe you should
date more. Or drink more if you're already married.

Chub - Beefeater, a drop of dry vermouth, a dash of orange bitters and
two olives. Shake in chopped iced. It keeps my family safe.

-- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "peng3002" <peng3002@...> wrote:
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>
> I posted this to the SDIY list. Shoulda tried here first:
>
>
> I have two Synthacon VCFs built on CGS boards. The third one is on the
> way but before that I need to solve I problem I'm having. Turning the
> Resonance pot produces a scratchy noise. I think this is a common
> problem others have had, too. I'm under the impression that this is DC
> through the pot. I've tried wiring a cap in a variety of ways with no
> luck.
>
> Has anyone built this VCF and DO NOT get scratchiness when turning the
> res pot? To test, turn the inputs down (off) , turn the gain all the
> way up, and turn the res pot back and forth a bunch of times.
>
> I have tried swapping pots (all Alphas, though).
>
> I have two completed modules and one on the board so any suggestions
> or ideas will be carried out immediately.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> peng
>

Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

The solution that supposedly works is to wire the 1k pot outer terminals
into the circuit instead of an outer and the wiper. One then adds a
capacitor between the wiper and one end. The result is that the DC passes
through the 1k as required, and the wiper only ever sees AC.

The other solution is to just accept it as a feature of the design.

Ken
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>Check back post from about a month ago, seems everyone has this problem.
Not due to bad pots but DC getting into the pot. I've tried a couple of
fixes posted on the board and nothing has worked.
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by Gerald Stevens

Hello.

For Ken's rev 2 circuit, change the 10uF cap before the TL071 to 100 nF.
This is part of a high-pass RC "filter" with a cutoff of 1/(2piRC)
= .15Hz! No need to pass such low frequencies! At 100 nF, we get 15Hz,
which is just sub-sonic, but won't pass the really low DC component. This
helped fix the problem a lot.

-gerald

By the way - thanks Ken for the suggestion on increasing resonance with the
2k2 resistor to ground under the 2n2222 transistor. Worked wonderfully, and
my Steiner filter sounds BEAUTIFUL!
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On 12/21/06, The Alison Project <alison@...> wrote:
>
> Check back post from about a month ago, seems everyone has this problem.
> Not due to bad pots but DC getting into the pot. I've tried a couple of
> fixes posted on the board and nothing has worked.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: peng3002
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com <cgs_synth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:51 PM
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll
>
> I posted this to the SDIY list. Shoulda tried here first:
>
> I have two Synthacon VCFs built on CGS boards. The third one is on the
> way but before that I need to solve I problem I'm having. Turning the
> Resonance pot produces a scratchy noise. I think this is a common
> problem others have had, too. I'm under the impression that this is DC
> through the pot. I've tried wiring a cap in a variety of ways with no
> luck.
>
> Has anyone built this VCF and DO NOT get scratchiness when turning the
> res pot? To test, turn the inputs down (off) , turn the gain all the
> way up, and turn the res pot back and forth a bunch of times.
>
> I have tried swapping pots (all Alphas, though).
>
> I have two completed modules and one on the board so any suggestions
> or ideas will be carried out immediately.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> peng
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by peng3002

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Stevens" <logo64@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello.
>
> For Ken's rev 2 circuit, change the 10uF cap before the TL071 to 100 nF.
> This is part of a high-pass RC "filter" with a cutoff of 1/(2piRC)
> = .15Hz! No need to pass such low frequencies! At 100 nF, we get 15Hz,
> which is just sub-sonic, but won't pass the really low DC component.
This
> helped fix the problem a lot.
>
> -gerald
>


Thanks. I'll try this one.

peng

Re: Scratchy Synthacon Res pot question and poll

2006-12-22 by peng3002

Thanks all of you for replying. The third one I'm building is going to
be for sale. I was hesitant because of the scratchy res pot. Seems
like it's the norm, so I won't beat myself up trying to fix it.


Thanks,
peng
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> The solution that supposedly works is to wire the 1k pot outer terminals
> into the circuit instead of an outer and the wiper. One then adds a
> capacitor between the wiper and one end. The result is that the DC
passes
> through the 1k as required, and the wiper only ever sees AC.
>
> The other solution is to just accept it as a feature of the design.
>
> Ken
>
> >Check back post from about a month ago, seems everyone has this
problem.
> Not due to bad pots but DC getting into the pot. I've tried a couple of
> fixes posted on the board and nothing has worked.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

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