Synthacon sounds more like a Fuzzface help
2004-06-01 by earthtodylan2000
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2004-06-01 by earthtodylan2000
2004-06-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au
> I just tried to build up my Synthacon. Total nightmare...I'd suggest you go very carefully over the board looking for construction
>1. Only getting sound out of the Hi Pass inputout of? do you mean that you only get an output when you feed the signal
>2. The sound is super fuzzy with lots of harmonics.If the resonance is too high it can distort some, but I would not call it a
>3. Ground hum.Now that you can only blame yourself for. Wither you have an earth loop
>4. Pots dont' seem to control anything.If wired correctly, they will. Is the frequency pot wired with its CW end to
>5. My Binary Zone does seem to control the CV frequency input.which would indicate there is at least some voltage control - ans if your
>Does someone have a wiring diagram?All the wiring info is in the circuit diagram itself. That should be all you
>I did ground all the 1/8 inputs together.Yes, the sleeve of all jacks need to be grounded.
>I first tried it with the Level pot and then took it out of the circut.Do you have a link in place or the level pot instead?
2004-06-02 by earthtodylan2000
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>
> > I just tried to build up my Synthacon. Total nightmare...
> I'd suggest you go very carefully over the board looking for
construction
> errors. If you have not used the exact transistors specified,
make sure they
> are in the correct way around. of the very few that haven't
worked, it has
> almost always been a construction error. Once or twice it was
a faulty
> transistor.
>
> >1. Only getting sound out of the Hi Pass input
>
> out of? do you mean that you only get an output when you feed
the signal
> INTO the HP input and not when you feed a signal into either
the band pass
> or low pass inputs?
>
> >2. The sound is super fuzzy with lots of harmonics.
>
> If the resonance is too high it can distort some, but I would not
call it a
> fuzz box. If you have used the wrong transistors, you may have
way too much
> gain. I specified metal can 2N2222 (or 2N222A) and 2N2907
for a reason.
>
> >3. Ground hum.
>
> Now that you can only blame yourself for. Wither you have an
earth loop
> somewhere in your system, or you have a poorly sheilded input
somewhere that
> is picking up hum.
>
> >4. Pots dont' seem to control anything.
>
> If wired correctly, they will. Is the frequency pot wired with its
CW end to
> +15, its CCW end to ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV
inputs?
>
> The resonance pit needs only two wires - one the the wiper,
and one to one
> end. The other end is left not connected to anything at all.
>
> >5. My Binary Zone does seem to control the CV frequency
input.
>
> which would indicate there is at least some voltage control -
ans if your
> pots aren't doing anything, that means at the very least, the
frequency pot
> is incorrectly wired.
>
> >Does someone have a wiring diagram?
>
> All the wiring info is in the circuit diagram itself. That should be
all you
> need.
>
> >I did ground all the 1/8 inputs together.
>
> Yes, the sleeve of all jacks need to be grounded.
>
> >I first tried it with the Level pot and then took it out of the circut.
>
> Do you have a link in place or the level pot instead?
>
__________________________________________________
_____________________
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> Modular Synth PCBs for sale
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
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2004-06-02 by Jay
> 2. I have used the exact transistors(metal can 2N2907, 2N222A)You sure you used a TL071 instead of a TL072?
> you call for. Everything else too is from you exact specs.
2004-06-02 by earthtodylan2000
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Jay <jay@d...> wrote:
> on 6/2/04 1:49 PM, earthtodylan2000 at earthtodylan2000@y...
wrote:
>
> > 2. I have used the exact transistors(metal can 2N2907,
2N222A)
> > you call for. Everything else too is from you exact specs.
>
> You sure you used a TL071 instead of a TL072?
2004-06-02 by Ryan Williams
> Ken,as for finding the problem. it might help to check some voltages around
> I've gone over the whole board all the whole board and it look
> alright.
> 3. Fair enough...I'm sure this will work out once it becomes clearI've just built one reccently. I'll explain how I have it wired up.
> how to correctly wire things up.
> 4. This is the confusing part. How was I supposed to know theyou would know this by looking at the schematic and also maybe the
> frequency pot is wired with its CW end to+15, its CCW end to
> ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV inputs? Schematics?
> And where is +15 on the board? Is it just one of the +
> openings?
2004-06-03 by cgs@oldmail.charlielamm.com
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, earthtodylan2000 wrote:
> Ken,
> I've gone over the whole board all the whole board and it look
> alright.
>
> 1. I am only getting this very wrong and noisy signal when I put
> something through the Hi Pass filter and nothing when running
> through the Band and Lo pass inputs
>
> 2. I have used the exact transistors(metal can 2N2907, 2N222A)
> you call for. Everything else too is from you exact specs.
>
> 3. Fair enough...I'm sure this will work out once it becomes clear
> how to correctly wire things up.
>
> 4. This is the confusing part. How was I supposed to know the
> frequency pot is wired with its CW end to+15, its CCW end to
> ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV inputs? Schematics?
> And where is +15 on the board? Is it just one of the +
> openings?
>
> 5. I have a link instead of the pot.
>
>
>
> How simple would it be to have a little diagram that show how to
> wire this thing up like on some of your other PCB pages?
>
> I'm still not so sure that It's going to work after I make these
> changes.
>
> Wire +15(or the + opening)to the Frequency pot.
>
> What are all the other openings for and what goes to them?
>
> The other "+"
>
> "-"
> "+VE"
> "+6V"
> "-VE"
>
> And are all the pots sopposed to get some sort of voltage?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> >
> > > I just tried to build up my Synthacon. Total nightmare...
>
>
>
> > I'd suggest you go very carefully over the board looking for
> construction
> > errors. If you have not used the exact transistors specified,
> make sure they
> > are in the correct way around. of the very few that haven't
> worked, it has
> > almost always been a construction error. Once or twice it was
> a faulty
> > transistor.
> >
> > >1. Only getting sound out of the Hi Pass input
> >
> > out of? do you mean that you only get an output when you feed
> the signal
> > INTO the HP input and not when you feed a signal into either
> the band pass
> > or low pass inputs?
> >
> > >2. The sound is super fuzzy with lots of harmonics.
> >
> > If the resonance is too high it can distort some, but I would not
> call it a
> > fuzz box. If you have used the wrong transistors, you may have
> way too much
> > gain. I specified metal can 2N2222 (or 2N222A) and 2N2907
> for a reason.
> >
> > >3. Ground hum.
> >
> > Now that you can only blame yourself for. Wither you have an
> earth loop
> > somewhere in your system, or you have a poorly sheilded input
> somewhere that
> > is picking up hum.
> >
> > >4. Pots dont' seem to control anything.
> >
> > If wired correctly, they will. Is the frequency pot wired with its
> CW end to
> > +15, its CCW end to ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV
> inputs?
> >
> > The resonance pit needs only two wires - one the the wiper,
> and one to one
> > end. The other end is left not connected to anything at all.
> >
> > >5. My Binary Zone does seem to control the CV frequency
> input.
> >
> > which would indicate there is at least some voltage control -
> ans if your
> > pots aren't doing anything, that means at the very least, the
> frequency pot
> > is incorrectly wired.
> >
> > >Does someone have a wiring diagram?
> >
> > All the wiring info is in the circuit diagram itself. That should be
> all you
> > need.
> >
> > >I did ground all the 1/8 inputs together.
> >
> > Yes, the sleeve of all jacks need to be grounded.
> >
> > >I first tried it with the Level pot and then took it out of the circut.
> >
> > Do you have a link in place or the level pot instead?
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
> _____________________
> > Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
>
> See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
2004-06-03 by Scott Stites
----- Original Message -----
From: <cgs@...>
To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Synthacon nightmare (difficult and unclear)
> On mine, I had different issues, but like this user, at first my synthacon
> didn't work. I ended up fixing things by checking each resistor value
> with a DVM. I didn't have a value wrong, but, I did find a short (no
> resistance, where there should have been some). Correcting this--it was a
> solder blob-- fixed my filter, and it's worked ever since.
>
> Just visually inspecting my solder joints, component placement, and what
> not has never been that helpful for me solving whatever is wrong with my
> build, unless it's something really obvious, like putting an IC or diode
> in backwards. I always do a visual inspection, and I usually catch those
> really major foul-ups before I power up the board for the first time.
>
> But I never catch them all! For anything subtle, I tend to miss the same
> mistake over and over unless I use a scope and/or DVM to troubleshoot.
>
> --CL
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, earthtodylan2000 wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> > I've gone over the whole board all the whole board and it look
> > alright.
> >
> > 1. I am only getting this very wrong and noisy signal when I put
> > something through the Hi Pass filter and nothing when running
> > through the Band and Lo pass inputs
> >
> > 2. I have used the exact transistors(metal can 2N2907, 2N222A)
> > you call for. Everything else too is from you exact specs.
> >
> > 3. Fair enough...I'm sure this will work out once it becomes clear
> > how to correctly wire things up.
> >
> > 4. This is the confusing part. How was I supposed to know the
> > frequency pot is wired with its CW end to+15, its CCW end to
> > ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV inputs? Schematics?
> > And where is +15 on the board? Is it just one of the +
> > openings?
> >
> > 5. I have a link instead of the pot.
> >
> >
> >
> > How simple would it be to have a little diagram that show how to
> > wire this thing up like on some of your other PCB pages?
> >
> > I'm still not so sure that It's going to work after I make these
> > changes.
> >
> > Wire +15(or the + opening)to the Frequency pot.
> >
> > What are all the other openings for and what goes to them?
> >
> > The other "+"
> >
> > "-"
> > "+VE"
> > "+6V"
> > "-VE"
> >
> > And are all the pots sopposed to get some sort of voltage?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just tried to build up my Synthacon. Total nightmare...
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'd suggest you go very carefully over the board looking for
> > construction
> > > errors. If you have not used the exact transistors specified,
> > make sure they
> > > are in the correct way around. of the very few that haven't
> > worked, it has
> > > almost always been a construction error. Once or twice it was
> > a faulty
> > > transistor.
> > >
> > > >1. Only getting sound out of the Hi Pass input
> > >
> > > out of? do you mean that you only get an output when you feed
> > the signal
> > > INTO the HP input and not when you feed a signal into either
> > the band pass
> > > or low pass inputs?
> > >
> > > >2. The sound is super fuzzy with lots of harmonics.
> > >
> > > If the resonance is too high it can distort some, but I would not
> > call it a
> > > fuzz box. If you have used the wrong transistors, you may have
> > way too much
> > > gain. I specified metal can 2N2222 (or 2N222A) and 2N2907
> > for a reason.
> > >
> > > >3. Ground hum.
> > >
> > > Now that you can only blame yourself for. Wither you have an
> > earth loop
> > > somewhere in your system, or you have a poorly sheilded input
> > somewhere that
> > > is picking up hum.
> > >
> > > >4. Pots dont' seem to control anything.
> > >
> > > If wired correctly, they will. Is the frequency pot wired with its
> > CW end to
> > > +15, its CCW end to ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV
> > inputs?
> > >
> > > The resonance pit needs only two wires - one the the wiper,
> > and one to one
> > > end. The other end is left not connected to anything at all.
> > >
> > > >5. My Binary Zone does seem to control the CV frequency
> > input.
> > >
> > > which would indicate there is at least some voltage control -
> > ans if your
> > > pots aren't doing anything, that means at the very least, the
> > frequency pot
> > > is incorrectly wired.
> > >
> > > >Does someone have a wiring diagram?
> > >
> > > All the wiring info is in the circuit diagram itself. That should be
> > all you
> > > need.
> > >
> > > >I did ground all the 1/8 inputs together.
> > >
> > > Yes, the sleeve of all jacks need to be grounded.
> > >
> > > >I first tried it with the Level pot and then took it out of the
circut.
> > >
> > > Do you have a link in place or the level pot instead?
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > _____________________
> > > Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> > > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> > Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
2004-06-04 by Scott Deyo
>From: <cgs@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Synthacon nightmare (difficult and unclear)
>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:23:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On mine, I had different issues, but like this user, at first my synthacon
>didn't work. I ended up fixing things by checking each resistor value
>with a DVM. I didn't have a value wrong, but, I did find a short (no
>resistance, where there should have been some). Correcting this--it was a
>solder blob-- fixed my filter, and it's worked ever since.
>
>Just visually inspecting my solder joints, component placement, and what
>not has never been that helpful for me solving whatever is wrong with my
>build, unless it's something really obvious, like putting an IC or diode
>in backwards. I always do a visual inspection, and I usually catch those
>really major foul-ups before I power up the board for the first time.
>
>But I never catch them all! For anything subtle, I tend to miss the same
>mistake over and over unless I use a scope and/or DVM to troubleshoot.
>
>--CL
>
>On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, earthtodylan2000 wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> > I've gone over the whole board all the whole board and it look
> > alright.
> >
> > 1. I am only getting this very wrong and noisy signal when I put
> > something through the Hi Pass filter and nothing when running
> > through the Band and Lo pass inputs
> >
> > 2. I have used the exact transistors(metal can 2N2907, 2N222A)
> > you call for. Everything else too is from you exact specs.
> >
> > 3. Fair enough...I'm sure this will work out once it becomes clear
> > how to correctly wire things up.
> >
> > 4. This is the confusing part. How was I supposed to know the
> > frequency pot is wired with its CW end to+15, its CCW end to
> > ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV inputs? Schematics?
> > And where is +15 on the board? Is it just one of the +
> > openings?
> >
> > 5. I have a link instead of the pot.
> >
> >
> >
> > How simple would it be to have a little diagram that show how to
> > wire this thing up like on some of your other PCB pages?
> >
> > I'm still not so sure that It's going to work after I make these
> > changes.
> >
> > Wire +15(or the + opening)to the Frequency pot.
> >
> > What are all the other openings for and what goes to them?
> >
> > The other "+"
> >
> > "-"
> > "+VE"
> > "+6V"
> > "-VE"
> >
> > And are all the pots sopposed to get some sort of voltage?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just tried to build up my Synthacon. Total nightmare...
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'd suggest you go very carefully over the board looking for
> > construction
> > > errors. If you have not used the exact transistors specified,
> > make sure they
> > > are in the correct way around. of the very few that haven't
> > worked, it has
> > > almost always been a construction error. Once or twice it was
> > a faulty
> > > transistor.
> > >
> > > >1. Only getting sound out of the Hi Pass input
> > >
> > > out of? do you mean that you only get an output when you feed
> > the signal
> > > INTO the HP input and not when you feed a signal into either
> > the band pass
> > > or low pass inputs?
> > >
> > > >2. The sound is super fuzzy with lots of harmonics.
> > >
> > > If the resonance is too high it can distort some, but I would not
> > call it a
> > > fuzz box. If you have used the wrong transistors, you may have
> > way too much
> > > gain. I specified metal can 2N2222 (or 2N222A) and 2N2907
> > for a reason.
> > >
> > > >3. Ground hum.
> > >
> > > Now that you can only blame yourself for. Wither you have an
> > earth loop
> > > somewhere in your system, or you have a poorly sheilded input
> > somewhere that
> > > is picking up hum.
> > >
> > > >4. Pots dont' seem to control anything.
> > >
> > > If wired correctly, they will. Is the frequency pot wired with its
> > CW end to
> > > +15, its CCW end to ground/0V and its wiper to one of the CV
> > inputs?
> > >
> > > The resonance pit needs only two wires - one the the wiper,
> > and one to one
> > > end. The other end is left not connected to anything at all.
> > >
> > > >5. My Binary Zone does seem to control the CV frequency
> > input.
> > >
> > > which would indicate there is at least some voltage control -
> > ans if your
> > > pots aren't doing anything, that means at the very least, the
> > frequency pot
> > > is incorrectly wired.
> > >
> > > >Does someone have a wiring diagram?
> > >
> > > All the wiring info is in the circuit diagram itself. That should be
> > all you
> > > need.
> > >
> > > >I did ground all the 1/8 inputs together.
> > >
> > > Yes, the sleeve of all jacks need to be grounded.
> > >
> > > >I first tried it with the Level pot and then took it out of the
>circut.
> > >
> > > Do you have a link in place or the level pot instead?
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > _____________________
> > > Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> > > Modular Synth PCBs for sale
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> > > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> > <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > See the following URLS for the CGS Modular Synth home page:
> > Main: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > Secondary: http://otherunicorn.0catch.com/synth/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>