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Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-07-23 by chocolatepistons

Hi guys,

I just found this old Crumar in the back corner of a charity warehouse amongst a pile of electrical chaos marked 'to be tested or binned'. They couldn't test it, but the look of it made me nostalgic so I gave them a tenner for it anyhow.

Now I don't have much experience with old synth's etc, but work in car diagnostics and tuning so have a degree of electrical knowledge, maybe not heaps on the circuit level though.

It doesn't look too complicated inside and I can gauge an idea of what each board is doing from the wiring but I cant get any sound out of the thing. I've got it powered up and am getting a couple of DC outputs from the transformer circuit thing (around 15v which feeds most of the boards, and 30v which feeds the main bar where the keyboard acts on).
I'm not really sure where to go from here though, any pointers? or does anyone know where I can get a service manual or schematics that might help me? bearing in mind I'm on a pretty non existent budget.

Thanks in advance for any feedback,

Phin

Re: [crumar] Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-07-24 by Michael Mehalshick

Hi Phin I have never worked on a Roadrunner I only experience is with a Crumar accordion tone generator. You should try to get a schematics and you will need a good scope It probably uses chips for output and you need to know the proper pins so you can look and trace the waveforms, good luck. Mike
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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:51 AM
Subject: [crumar] Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

Hi guys,

I just found this old Crumar in the back corner of a charity warehouse amongst a pile of electrical chaos marked 'to be tested or binned'. They couldn't test it, but the look of it made me nostalgic so I gave them a tenner for it anyhow.

Now I don't have much experience with old synth's etc, but work in car diagnostics and tuning so have a degree of electrical knowledge, maybe not heaps on the circuit level though.

It doesn't look too complicated inside and I can gauge an idea of what each board is doing from the wiring but I cant get any sound out of the thing. I've got it powered up and am getting a couple of DC outputs from the transformer circuit thing (around 15v which feeds most of the boards, and 30v which feeds the main bar where the keyboard acts on).
I'm not really sure where to go from here though, any pointers? or does anyone know where I can get a service manual or schematics that might help me? bearing in mind I'm on a pretty non existent budget.

Thanks in advance for any feedback,

Phin

Re: Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-07-26 by chocolatepistons

Ok thanks for the input Mike, I have given everything a clean up and the keyboard section is definitely doing something as well as the voice selection circuit, but I cant seem to get anything to and from the "do sol re la mi si fa" board which I presume is the signal generator. I just have a multimeter just now so maybe will have to get a scope for a shot if I can. 
If anyone else has a schematic or any other input that would be great.

Cheers,

Phin


--- In crumar@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mehalshick" <mikem245@...> wrote:
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> Hi Phin I have never worked on a Roadrunner I only experience is with a Crumar accordion tone generator. You should try to get a schematics and you will need a good scope It probably uses chips for output and you need to know the proper pins so you can look and trace the waveforms, good luck.  Mike  
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: chocolatepistons 
>   To: crumar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:51 AM
>   Subject: [crumar] Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics
> 
> 
>     
>   Hi guys,
> 
>   I just found this old Crumar in the back corner of a charity warehouse amongst a pile of electrical chaos marked 'to be tested or binned'. They couldn't test it, but the look of it made me nostalgic so I gave them a tenner for it anyhow.
> 
>   Now I don't have much experience with old synth's etc, but work in car diagnostics and tuning so have a degree of electrical knowledge, maybe not heaps on the circuit level though.
> 
>   It doesn't look too complicated inside and I can gauge an idea of what each board is doing from the wiring but I cant get any sound out of the thing. I've got it powered up and am getting a couple of DC outputs from the transformer circuit thing (around 15v which feeds most of the boards, and 30v which feeds the main bar where the keyboard acts on).
>   I'm not really sure where to go from here though, any pointers? or does anyone know where I can get a service manual or schematics that might help me? bearing in mind I'm on a pretty non existent budget.
> 
>   Thanks in advance for any feedback,
> 
>   Phin
>

Re: Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-08-02 by chocolatepistons

Ok.. wee update, I found my first faulty component, an op amp "UA741TC".
There are 6 of these on the P536 board (which I'm therefore assuming is the VCA?). I scoped the signals going in/out of them and one was dud (I swapped them about to double check). 
This op amp seems obsolete now, but I can get a UA741CN which seems to have similar spec, although I cant find out if it is a direct replacement - If anyone knows for sure I'd appreciate a confirmation.
Hopefully there is no harm in giving it a go anyhow... fingers crossed.

Re: [crumar] Re: Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-08-03 by Michael Mehalshick

Try vintagechip@... , his name is Valter and he is located in Italy, he is very knowledgeable about chips, he also sells them. Mike
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Subject: [crumar] Re: Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

Ok.. wee update, I found my first faulty component, an op amp "UA741TC".
There are 6 of these on the P536 board (which I'm therefore assuming is the VCA?). I scoped the signals going in/out of them and one was dud (I swapped them about to double check).
This op amp seems obsolete now, but I can get a UA741CN which seems to have similar spec, although I cant find out if it is a direct replacement - If anyone knows for sure I'd appreciate a confirmation.
Hopefully there is no harm in giving it a go anyhow... fingers crossed.

Re: Roadrunner 2 - help with repair / schematics

2011-08-03 by chocolatepistons

Thanks again Mike for all your help, I got an op amp from Maplin today and.. I have sound.... yay!
The chip I got was an LM741CN, the spec seemed close enough and in any case it did the Job, and all for 95 pence.

It does seem to have a fair bit lower volume output overall than my modern Korg, I'm not sure if this is normal for old synths? However all the voices and the effects work a treat which is the main thing.

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