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Amazing!

Amazing!

2000-09-29 by GDub

This is amazing!!  I thought I was the only active musician on the 
planet who still uses his Crumar Performer!

I bought mine 1982ish and still use it to gig.  Even with all the new 
and fantastic synths out there, there is nothing that can compare
with the string sounds you can get from the performer.  The sustain 
and attack sliders are perfect for getting tweaking just the right 
envelope as you are playing live.  Nothing else comes close!

So, glad to find this group and look forward to exchanging
experiences and knowledge about this great vintage synth.

I am also interested in others experiences with some of the Crumar B3 
clones (like the T1, T2 and T3).  I just saw a T1C go on Ebay for WAY 
more than I expected and had my interest piqued.

GDub

Re: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-09-30 by Vance Pomeroy

Congrats on using your Performer still!

I used to have an Orchestrator (got it in 1980 at ABC Music in Burbank CA
for $1500-ouch!) so I could play strings and left-hand-bass for
gigs...worked very well...love those strings. I got rid of the Orchestrator
so I could get a Chamberlin (like Mellotron, with tapes, but better). I
still needed a left-hand-bass so I got a Crumar T1 organ. Love that organ.
When my gigging and recording days turned into marriage/kids/work days
instead, I only have fiddled with my Chamberlin a bit and haven't played the
T1 for 16 years - it fried a power supply on my last recording
gig......Until now! I just sent my T1 in for repair and look forward to
firing it up in a few weeks. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

Vance....Crumar list newbie/greenie/de-lurker

GDub wrote:
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> This is amazing!!  I thought I was the only active musician on the
> planet who still uses his Crumar Performer!
>
> I bought mine 1982ish and still use it to gig.  Even with all the new
> and fantastic synths out there, there is nothing that can compare
> with the string sounds you can get from the performer.  The sustain
> and attack sliders are perfect for getting tweaking just the right
> envelope as you are playing live.  Nothing else comes close!
>
> So, glad to find this group and look forward to exchanging
> experiences and knowledge about this great vintage synth.
>
> I am also interested in others experiences with some of the Crumar B3
> clones (like the T1, T2 and T3).  I just saw a T1C go on Ebay for WAY
> more than I expected and had my interest piqued.
>
> GDub

Re: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-09-30 by PLANK.

What do you want to know about the T2.
PLANK,
Manchester,U.K.,
plank.@...
plank@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: GDub
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:06 PM
Subject: [crumar] Amazing!

This is amazing!! I thought I was the only active musician on the
planet who still uses his Crumar Performer!

I bought mine 1982ish and still use it to gig. Even with all the new
and fantastic synths out there, there is nothing that can compare
with the string sounds you can get from the performer. The sustain
and attack sliders are perfect for getting tweaking just the right
envelope as you are playing live. Nothing else comes close!

So, glad to find this group and look forward to exchanging
experiences and knowledge about this great vintage synth.

I am also interested in others experiences with some of the Crumar B3
clones (like the T1, T2 and T3). I just saw a T1C go on Ebay for WAY
more than I expected and had my interest piqued.

GDub

RE: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-10-02 by Gary Wolfer

The T1C I saw had 8 drawbars as well as simulated leslie.  It also
apparently has some additional bass sounds (similar to a mini-moog and
others).  Sounds like an interesting combination.  Additionally, the size of
them would be great for toting around for Gigs!  My questions are:

1) Is your T2 similar in it's configuration ?

2) How faithful of a B3 reproduction are these machines ?

3) Does the Leslie simulator do a good job (stereo <-> mono) ?

4) Do you know the primary difference (thus difference in model numbers!!!)
between the T1, T2 and T3 ?

Thanks for your help!

GDub
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> From:	PLANK. [SMTP:plank@...]
> Sent:	Friday, September 29, 2000 10:23 PM
> To:	crumar@egroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [crumar] Amazing!
> 
> What do you want to know about the T2.
> PLANK,
> Manchester,U.K.,
> plank.@... <mailto:plank.@...>
> plank@... <mailto:plank@...>
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: GDub  <mailto:GWOLFER@...>
> 	To: crumar@egroups.com <mailto:crumar@egroups.com> 
> 	Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:06 PM
> 	Subject: [crumar] Amazing!
> 
> 	This is amazing!!  I thought I was the only active musician on the 
> 	planet who still uses his Crumar Performer!
> 	
> 	I bought mine 1982ish and still use it to gig.  Even with all the
> new 
> 	and fantastic synths out there, there is nothing that can compare
> 	with the string sounds you can get from the performer.  The sustain 
> 	and attack sliders are perfect for getting tweaking just the right 
> 	envelope as you are playing live.  Nothing else comes close!
> 	
> 	So, glad to find this group and look forward to exchanging
> 	experiences and knowledge about this great vintage synth.
> 	
> 	I am also interested in others experiences with some of the Crumar
> B3 
> 	clones (like the T1, T2 and T3).  I just saw a T1C go on Ebay for
> WAY 
> 	more than I expected and had my interest piqued.
> 	
> 	GDub
> 	
> 	
>

Re: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-10-03 by PLANK.

This could be a long answer.
All Crumar T organs had 9 drawbars,and 2 percussion drawbars. 4 buttons for the 3 pre-set sounds and manual. The T2 is the twin manual version of the T1. They were all the direct competitor to the Korg BX/CX range of the late 70's to the mid 80's. As for the B3 sound as good as the Korg, but the Korg had the edge over the Crumar in that it had overdrive and at the time a good onboard 'Leslie Sim', Crumar's (if you can find one with it fitted) when it worked(which was nearly never) was utter sh*t, and was mono, but in it's defence it did have a Leslie output socket for connecting to the real thing.
Apart from being a twin manual the T2 also came with a 18 note bass pedal set and the lower pre-sets were slightly different.
The T-3 was a completely different beast to the T-1 and T-2 before it.This was what was a so called 'Transportable Organ, for the serious Pro.' as Crumar put it. It was a lot bigger that the T-2, and very heavy to say the least.
The T-3 was one of there range of 'HOME' organs to be used in pubs and clubs.
It was all the working from a 'Crumar 2003', with amp and speakers built in, a 18 note pedalboard with a vol. pedal built-in with '2 switches to knock with the tip of you toe, one for fast/slow Leslie and the other for the piano sustain.
There were loads of other things that were on this over the older T's, but as I said it was a home organ, and they them self's were very big.
The Organizer T-1 and T-2 were preceded by the 'Organizer' and 'Organizer-2'.
The 'Toccata' was a 49 note 8 pre-set organ but with a better built in Leslie than the 'T-1 and 2', the same circuit from the T-3 was used in the Toccata, and was a good seller from '81 to the mid 80's. T-1 and T-2 were built between '78 and '83, T-3's from '81 to around the mid '80's.
PLANK,
Manchester,U.K.,
plank.@...
plank@...
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The T1C I saw had 8 drawbars as well as simulated leslie. It also
apparently has some additional bass sounds (similar to a mini-moog and
others). ; Sounds like an interesting combination. Additionally, the size of
them would be great for toting around for Gigs! My questions are:
1) Is your T2 similar in it's configuration ?
2) How faithful of a B3 reproduction are these machines ?
3) Does the Leslie simulator do a good job (stereo <-> mono) ?
4) Do you know the primary difference (thus difference in model numbers!!!)
between the T1, T2 and T3 ?
Thanks for your help!
GDub

RE: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-10-03 by Gary Wolfer

Plank:

Thanks so much.  I have been able to find some information on the web, but
your descriptions far outstripped anything I could find.  I appreciate the
time you took to reply.

GDub.

Re: [crumar] Amazing!

2000-10-04 by PLANK.

Gary try this link www.synthzone.com and then click on the Crumar link.
PLANK,
Manchester,U.K.,
plank.@...
plank@...
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [crumar] Amazing!

Plank:

Thanks so much. I have been able to find some information on the web, but
your descriptions far outstripped anything I could find. I appreciate the
time you took to reply.

GDub.

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