Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Paul,
I also had great results out of the box with no further adjustments 
with my PFP. I tried both the mid and large target and the results 
were nearly identical. I profiled canvas, Epson Premium Luster and 
Somerset Velvet. All PFP profiles have now replaced my Atkinson 
profiles which I had been using with satisfaction. 

I believe that you will find some small oversight is the problem, 
but one suggestion: This has never been mentioned to my knowledge 
but, I was careful to profile with just enough light to see the 
target clearly. My thought was that perhaps a strong room light may 
contaminate my readings. 
Chuck Warner

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Green" 
<tomgreen00@...> wrote:
>
> I am also a new print fix pro user and have nothing but praise for 
what
> colorvision has achieved.  I printed the small target and got the 
same dark
> results you speak about.  I also kept tweaking sliders with 
horrible results
> until I figured out that I had not set up my printer driver 
correctly.  I
> had my media setting at plain paper.  I will make a long story 
short by
> stating that once I had adjusted my printer settings correctly the 
results
> were fantastic.  I have since built two profiles using the 729 
patch targets
> and am stunned at the quality prints they produce.  It took me 
about an hour
> to read the target and build the profile.  Kudos to colorvision.  
I am now
> getting far better results with my color managed system than ever 
before. 
> No more canned profiles for me.
> Thanks Colorvision
> Tom Green 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 08/05/06 22:55:43
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [colorvision_group] PrintFix Pro profile problems
>  
> Hi all.
> As a new print fix pro user I am finding I cannot achieve the 
results I was
> expecting.
> I am presuming that I am doing something wrong, but of course I 
need
> direction to see if this is correct or it is another issue
> I am hoping that the knowledgeable users on this forum can point 
me in the
> right direction
>  
> I am currently running a AMD 3000+(32 Bit) 2 gig ram with a ATI 
9600XT.
> The printer is an Epson 4800 with Epson K3 inks.
> The monitor is a 17" LCD profiled with Syder2PRO and is shows 
reasonable
> consistency with printed material to date. 
> I use Qimage Studio for my normal printing and I also use 
Photoshop PS2 and
> Corel Draw X3.
> Printer Colour Management is set to Off in the printer driver and 
I use the
> relevant profile for the paper type in all the programs above.
> In Qimage I have the ability to select the same image multiple 
times and
> select different profiles for each instance of that image.
>  
> In this case, the paper I am trying to profile is Kodak(Encad) 
photo glossy
> Rapid dry 180 Gsm.
> I wanted to profile a paper I have that I have known results with 
and am
> reasonably happy with those results.
> The Epson Premium Glossy Photo paper profile downloaded from the 
Epson site
> produces a print similar to what the soft proof shows in either 
Qimage or
> CS2 and a final print that is acceptable.
>  
> I have printed a 729 Patch target and have measured this with the 
same paper
> type placed under the printed target.
> The Spectrocolorimeter is calibrated after doing about 20 measures 
of the
> white tile. (I find that the measurements keep rising when first 
used up to
> a certain value then stay reasonably constant from that point)
> I then measure the target, recheck to see if I have botched any 
measurements
> and go to create profile.
> I create the profile, print the test image and it is very dark.
> I then try and print with the new profile using Qimage and PS2. 
The Soft
> proof seems to be acceptable and about what I am expecting.
> However when I print the image with new image it again is very 
dark and
> oversaturated.
> So I figure, read the instructions and see what the story is.
> After spending days on adjusting sliders  and printing many sheets 
of paper,
> I have found a semi reasonable print.
> But it is still not as good as the standard profile and I am 
starting to
> lose heart.
> I am also finding that with the sliders set as they are.  +18 
Brightness, -
> 5 Saturation.  Now my soft proof for this profile is showing very 
light and
> washed out compared to what the actual print is.
> I was hoping to basically measure and create a profile with out 
doing dozens
> of prints and adjustments.
>  
>  
> My first questions are.
> In the help file of Printfix pro it says "Most PrintFIX PRO 
profiles need no
> adjustment. PrintFIX PLUS profiles typically involve several 
rounds of
> adjusting and test printing to reach an optimal profile.
> Does no adjustment mean only small adjustments?
> How much adjustment of the sliders does the average person on this 
group
> have to make with Print fix pro?
> Is my adjustment abnormal?
> Should my soft proof be that far out from the actual print being 
produced?
> Am I expecting to much or am I just not putting enough effort in?
> What suggestions does anybody have for me to try and resolve this 
issue.
>  
> Please note: I have re-measured the Target three times now and get 
pretty
> much the same result.  I had also checked my printer for a proper 
nozzle
> check prior to printing the target.
> The standard test image when printed at the start seems to print 
pretty well
> and would actually be acceptable as is.
> But at the end of the process the soft proof looks substantially 
different
> to the end print.
>  
> Should I continue to play with the sliders to try and get my good 
print
> profile or am I wasting my time with so much change required.
>  
> Thanks and look forward to some advice.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
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