Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi,
I am not CDTobie, but feel compelled to reply.  The product you 
mention works as advertised and about as well as any other brand as 
well.  You possibly could give it some thought and find out a bit 
more about how color management works.  Viewing conditions play a big 
role in any screen to print match as does the need from time to time 
to customize a profile to your particular environment.  Guess what I 
am trying to say is don't throw the baby out with the bath.  Be glad 
to try to help in any way I might.
Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "tommy" <mick094m@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/7/06 12:13:17 PM, mick094m@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > ,so I then printed off a sample of a print that I had
> > > previously printed with photoshop using the Gamma calibration
> > > settings in photoshop, that I had been using prior to the 
> purchase of
> > > this product.Expecting to get better prints from my printer,but 
on
> > > comparison  of the two prints in "good daylight" ....."not with 
> any
> > > proofing light", the one with this product is darker,in other 
> words
> > > less detail in the Shadows and overall darker, this could be
> > > corrected
> > > with photoshop but I thought that this was not the purpose of 
this
> > > product
> > > 
> > Hard to know exactly what you mean, so here's the full set of 
> responses:
> > 
> > First, if you aren't adjusting the files on screen, just printing 
> it, then 
> > whether you use an AdobeGamma monitor profile, or a hardware 
> monitor profile 
> > makes NO difference in the prints at all.
> > 
> > Second, if you are adjusting the images on screen, seperately 
under 
> the two 
> > monitor profiles, then that STILL doesn't close the loop to your 
> prints; until 
> > you have a profiled printer, there's really no gurarantee, and a 
> poorly 
> > controlled printer might well relate better to a poorly profiled 
> monitor. Its a crap 
> > shoot.
> > 
> > 
> > Next, comparing two prints under daylight tells you how they look 
> with quite 
> > cool lighting, and lots of it. This effects colors and shadow 
> detail. Unless 
> > your work is to hang in very open, daylit environments, this 
isn't 
> the best way 
> > to judge prints. (And is this IS how your prints will be 
displayed, 
> they 
> > won't last very long! <G>)
> > 
> > Finally, if you are profiling both your printer and your monitor, 
> then you 
> > should get a good relationship between them; what the prints look 
> like compared 
> > to prints corrected on an AdobeGamma monitor is a rather abstract 
> > difference... I know of no way to quantify that.
> > 
> > C. David Tobie
> > Product Technology Manager
> > ColorVision Business Unit
> > Datacolor Inc.
> > CDTobie@
> > www.colorvision.com
> >
> So I will tell Epson that there pigment inks are useless according 
to 
> you think they will be very pleased with that, also I have followed 
> the instructions and have printed to your bloody useless profile to 
> get these results and I never said anything about adjusting 
anything 
> on screen your produst supposed to do it automatically,don't send 
any 
> replies to this I am selling your product on and would never ever 
> encourage anyone to purchase them they are rubbish and also the so 
> called technical responce is the same.........repeat no reply 
needed 
> from you
>