Datacolor User to User Support Group.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
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> 
> In a message dated 12/7/06 5:35:57 PM, mick094m@... writes:
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> > So I will tell Epson that there pigment inks are useless 
according to
> > you think they will be very pleased with that, also I have 
followed
> > the instructions and have printed to your bloody useless profile 
to
> > get these results and I never said anything about adjusting 
anything
> > on screen your produst supposed to do it automatically,don't send 
any
> > replies to this I am selling your product on and would never ever
> > encourage anyone to purchase them they are rubbish and also the so
> > called technical responce is the same.........repeat no reply 
needed
> > from you
> > 
> 
> Not sure its useful to an emotional post, as its probably not about 
technical 
> issues; but I'll at least make one more stab:
> 
> First: monitor profiling software (from ColorVision or anyone else) 
does not 
> magically fix your images. It makes the representation of them on 
screen 
> appropriate, so that you can adjust them visually, and have some 
faith they are now 
> correct. If you view the same image on screen, with a custom 
monitor profile, 
> and with an AdobeGamma monitor profile, and then print them each 
time, 
> getting differing results, you have an error in your process 
somewhere as THE 
> MONITOR PROFILE HAS NO EFFECT ON THE PRINT. That is: unless you 
adjust the image 
> visually, while using that monitor profile, which is what the 
profile is for.
> 
> Second, I never said that Epson pigment inks are useless. I use 
them for the 
> majority of my printing. They are metameric, and will show 
differing color 
> effects under different lighting. I was printing a shot of a 
historic Indian 
> motorcyle at PhotoPlus, and moving the image from the 5000k 
proofing box, to the 
> show floor lighting changed the lovely red of the bike an ugly rust 
color. 
> Thats metamerism. Thats why I suggest that using "daylight" is not 
ideal. The sun 
> alone, at midday, is about 5000k. Add the blue sky reflection to 
this and its 
> a significantly higher 6500k. Move to open shade, where its blue-
sky-only (and 
> oddly, what a lot of people use, and call 'daylight) and its about 
9300k; 
> EXTREMELY blue!
> 
> Interestingly, Epson, HP, and Canon have all come up with non-
metameric 
> options for printing B&W images in the latest generation of 
graphics printers, by 
> minimizing the color ink (and especially the yellow ink) in 
neutrals printed 
> through their drivers. Thats what makes PrintFIX PRO 2.0 able to 
produce gallery 
> quality B&W on the same printer that it can produce color prints. I 
mention 
> this, as users get confused about claims or metamerism, or the lack 
or 
> metamerism, and don't always realize that the lack if it is in the 
neutral prints; 
> once you add lots of color into the image, the metamerism is still 
there...
> 
> Lets see, is there anything else I can respond to here? I guess the 
only 
> other item I can comment on is that untold thousands of users find 
our products 
> useful, so you might want to consider that you need to learn more 
about color 
> management, color workflow, and color printing methods, instead of 
kicking the 
> dog in frustration... or the Spyder, in this case.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>excuse me but if this product was manufactured in th UK it would be 
reported to the trading standards...........Correct me if I am wrong 
but on the box that I purchased it clearly states  "Quote" Three easy 
steps to ACCURATE colour.It does not mention that you have to go on a 
course for learning and understanding COLOUR MANAGEMENT, and please 
also note I listed or joined this forum as a NEWBIE, in fact that was 
the reason that I purchased the product as it was "described in all 
the blurbs as 3 easy steps to accurate colour,could I suggest that 
you alter the wording on the box and adverts to a more truthful 
statement by adding that a good working knowledge of colour 
management would be required and not a product for a novice ,regards 
the remarks previously about manners.I am a person who dislikes being 
MISLEAD to purchase a product and dinds that it is not was it says 
and if critisism cannot be put in this forum about a product then 
tough, or are you only allowed to sing the praises I am sure there 
must be others like me and have noted that even the professionals 
have problems and I suppose they have a working knowledge of colour 
management but they too find the same as me there are numerous 
listings about dark prints and casts and they have the expensive 
product.so please explain to me the what "3 easy steps to accurate 
colour" means.Because I have a good education and a good command of 
the "English" language but am a loss to comprehend how you can 
justify putting that on the box.If you answer this it will be my last 
remarks in this forum as I find that it is not very usefull and will 
be leaving it.