Datacolor User to User Support Group.

John V.,

   Thanks for the suggestion to use Ultrasmooth as the paper type.  
It sounds like this will yeild a better profile (although I don't 
think it will fix the issue I have of the proof and print being way 
brighter).

   I will check out hte Ultrasmooth settng as you suggested.

Regards,
Darrell


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" 
<jvlist@...> wrote:
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "darrellmccombs" 
<darrell@> wrote:
> >
> >  Actually it is my expectation that they match pretty well.  I 
> > didn't buy a Profiling product to still do significant tweaks 
for 
> > each type of type of paper I use for every different print.
> ......
> >  I know this isn't fully automatic, but I don't want a product 
if 
> > it requires the time you are suggesting.  Printing, measuring, 
> > tweaking the print, reprinting, remeausuring, tweak the print 
again.
> > Darrell
> 
> Hi Darrell,
> 
> You might want to give different Rendering Intents a 
try...ColorVision recommends 
> Saturation in the Help guide.
> 
> As much as you don't like to experiment I think you need to test 
the best Media Type for 
> Hahn Rag Bright. Even though Hahnemuhle recommends Velvet Fine Art 
media setting I 
> have found, along with many others, that VFA media type is not the 
best combo with 
> Epson's x800 series printers, as the shadows are blocked up big 
time with Hahnemuhle 
> papers.
> 
> Here's a copy and paste of a test I did last year....
> 
> "I too have found media settings are fairly close to each other 
but I wanted to explore a 
> little more. Epson's black usually comes in hard and fast, less so 
with the newest printers 
> but I wanted to find the media setting that has smoothest black 
from 100% to 90%.
> 
> So I recently tested to find the "best" media setting for William 
Turner paper on my Epson 
> 4800.
> 
> I printed a ten patch gray ramp from 100% to 90% with five media 
settings.
> 
> My Excel results are below for William Turner on an Epson 4800:
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/johnvito/WilliamTurnerMediaSettings.png
> 
> From 100% to 90% only two media settings show desirable linear 
density loss albeit 
> stepped at times. While the other three actually have spiked 
increases in density called 
> "reversals" on some patches. For example Epson's Enhanced has the 
same density at the 
> following patches: 100%, 99% and 
> 97%. As you can see the 98% patch has a lower density. Another 
reversal at 94%.
> 
> My choice is the UltraSmooth media setting, as it has the most 
linear path in the shadows."
> 
> As you can tell by the chart Enhance Matte and Velvet Fine Art 
media settings were the 
> worse offenders of blocked shadows...I'm not sure why Hahnemuhle 
recommended the 
> VFA setting...maybe just for more deep blacks? Also note that with 
the VelvetFineArt media 
> setting the 96% patch is darker than the 97% patch....any profiler 
will have a difficult time 
> fixing that.
> 
> Even before a profile is built, test a little to find the best 
settings so the profile doesn't 
> have to do any heavy or impossible lifting. Use PFP Media Setting 
check is my 
> recommendation.
> 
> Testing prior to building a profile would have to be done with any 
profiler package, not 
> just PFP.
> 
> Best,
> 
> John V.
>