I am looking for ICC color management, that is why I bought the Spyder3Print and posting my apparent problem that I'm having with ICC color management here on this group. I'm not an expert I'm looking for help.
To back track a little...
The soft-proof image versus the non-soft proof image on the monitor looks identical "color" wise, the soft-proof is slightly lacking contrast when compared to the non-soft-proof image. If I tweak the Spyder ICC profile to increase the soft-proof contrast to match the non-soft-proof image it also then bumps up the contrast in the printout and that is not desirable. From what I know the soft-proof image should match my printout.
I also print with Canon Photo Pro, ILFORD and other papers, all ICC profiled with the Spyder, and I see better skin tones matches to the on screen soft-proof using the Canon standard driver than the Spyder ICC profiles generated for each paper.
I have seen this skin tone issue with my current Vista system and my older WinXP system. So I doubt that the OS is affecting anything here. The Canon drivers for both OS's are different.
My printouts are identical in all tests if I use either Nikon Capture NX2 or Photoshop CS4. I have "let application manage color"; turned on.
I set the intent to saturation (tried the others with no better success) and black point checked.
My Canon driver is set as follows when I generated the Spyder profiles and I use these settings during my normal printing with either application.
Media type - Photo Paper Pro
Print quality - 1(custom)
Half toning - Diffusion
Color/intensity - manual
- cyan - 0
- magenta - 0
- yellow - 0
- black - 0
- intensity - 0
- enable ICM (windows image color management) - off
- print type - none
Gray scale printing - off
Disable ICM required from the application - off
I don't see anywhere else where you would need to turn off the embedded windows Canon standard driver.
Again the Spyder ICC profile printout "colors" match the monitor soft-proof and non-soft-proof images 99%, it's just the subtle skin tones that are off, but right on using the Canon standard driver. I would say that the Spyder profiles print slightly darker than the Canon standard driver and this is why the skin tones look different. If I tweak the Spyder profiles to make them brighter then my soft-proof becomes brighter and along with the less contrast the monitor image looks washed out.
Does the Spyder characteristically read and generate a profile that is a little less bright than the actual test pattern printout?
I'm looking for guidance on correcting the problem....
Thanks,
Bob P.
At 09:22 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
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On Aug 27, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Bob Petruska wrote:
> With the standard Canon driver the colors, the contrast, etc. of the
> printout match my non-proof image perfectly.
Then you aren't looking for ICC color management, you are looking for
something that is perhaps better described as "Kodak colors". Matching
your non-proof image is not the goal of a printer profile. I'm happy
for you that you have found a solution that suits your needs, but the
goal of printer profiling is more complicated than that: its to
produce a print that matches the softproof (and offer the controls to
tune that match as desired), not to produce a print that matches the
sRGB or AdogeRGB image in the raw, with no consideration of paper
tone, ink black, or ink gamut in the on-screen display.
C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...
Datacolor
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3