Datacolor User to User Support Group.

On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:17 PM, lecentaurpix <nerfani@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I hope the group can clarify my workflow here.
> 
> I am trying to calibrate my Epson 3880 with non Epson Ink using Spyder3.
> 
> It seems to me that when I print the tagets from Spyder software (with no color management) or from Windows 7 or from LR 4.2 or from Picasa I get slightly different results. Therefore the remaining of the process is a little off.
> 

You should only print your targets from SpyderPRINT itself (get the latest version
of the software if you haven't already - I last updated it in January 2012, and the
current version for all users of Spyder3 and Spyder4 is SpyderPRINT 4.2.3)

Lightroom does not have the ability to print the target completely without color
management. No 3rd party app other than Photoshop CS4 or earlier (directly
from Photoshop) or Adobe Color Print Utility (Photoshop CS5 and later no longer
have the ability to print targets correctly) has ever been tested for target printing.

The best way to print the targets is directly from SpyderPRINT itself - I don't really
recommend any other way.

> The best result I have achieved is:
> 
> 1) print, no color management from Spyder 3

Good.

> 2) Calibrate (Classic 15 row target, only Page 1)

Ok.

> 3) Create my calibration file
> 

Good.

> Then if I print from LR the output is a bit yellowish, so is the soft proof in Spyder3.

Could be a number of things. If you want me to check your measurements to see if
I can find any obvious flaws, you can email me a copy of your meausrements file to look
at. Use the File:Open Data command in SpyderPRINT to open the folder that contains your
measurement files; they're all small text files with .xml extensions. Email to me at
dmiller@... and then we can take further discussion off-list.

> The best I have achieved is to print from Picasa after setting the printer driver to ICM HOST input Screen default icm and the printer to the icm I just produced after printing from Spyder.
> 

Not correct at all. I haven't seen that workflow, but if you're choosing your source profile
as your DISPLAY profile (which would be likely if it's the "screen default" profile), then you're
doing it wrong.

> All other prints even from W7 are worse, the result printing from LR gave a horrible red output. No wonder the target did not look good at all.
> 

A print with a red cast from LR means that you're getting an uncalibrated print. That implies
that you're either not using the profile correctly or that you didn't print the target correctly
to begin with. A color managed target print (which would be too "pretty", not dark and saturated
as it should be without color management) would result in building a profile that's a "do-nothing",
and when you try to use it, you won't get any adjustment during printing and the resulting print
of real images will be uncalibrated.

Send me your measurements and we'll see...:-)

David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor