Datacolor User to User Support Group.

I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro spectrophotometer for not being 
supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support in the future?

Thank you.

Ivor

>>I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro 
spectrophotometer
for not being
supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support 
in the
future?

Oddy, this question has not come up in well over a year, but now (for 
some unknown reason) there is a flurry of questions about it. Sometimes 
when this occurs its one individual making himself heard in various 
ways, other times its a new situation triggering a group of users. 
Here's all I know:

We provided Epson the necessary technical documents to support the PFP 
spectro in ColorBase many months ago, and have not heard back from 
them. Alternately, it might be possible to provide a text file format 
that could be used with ColorBase without Epson's involvement, but 
given the lack of end user interest, we have never looked into this. If 
it becomes a common user request, we will certainly consider it.

I suspect that the current interest has to do with the idea that the 
3800 overinks, and that ColorBase might improve that. I can't respond 
to that, not having worked with the utility and compared its results to 
the driver controls. The driver controls tend to lose saturation when 
used to lower ink limit; a result that makes it less than satisfactory 
for reducing overinking. Perhaps ColorBase has more detailed controls 
that could avoid that, though it seems unlikely.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: WhoCares <ghibliii@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 9:35 am
Subject: [colorvision_group] Epson ColourBase






I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro 
spectrophotometer
for not being
supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support 
in the
future?

Thank you.

Ivor




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Dear Mr. Tobie,

Thank you for reply.

I am sorry for raising an issue discussed before. Having said that I regard the uses of 
ColorBase much broader and of significant interest to anyone serious about his/her printer 
optimum performance.

I am a R2400 user myself not 3800 and my message was not prompted because of a 
particular problem. As I understand implementation of ColorBase utility permits printer to 
be calibrated to a factory reference. Done on a periodic basis ColorBase calibration can 
negate decline/drift in print quality due miscalibration, wear, ink batch variation, etc. 
Same apply even more so to ageing printers. There are other uses as well. All of the above 
is even more relevant to R2400 users as the printer (when compared to the Pro range) is 
build to less strident tolerances.

I am really surprised and pleased to hear ColorVision could provide a text file to be used 
with ColorBase thus not necessitating further Epson involvement. Please, do it. I shall do 
my best as an individual to make the issue visible among Epson and ColorVision users. 

I would venture the bet that compatibility with Epson ColorBase may increase PrintFix Pro 
user base as the utility necessitate spectrophotometer yet every other spectrophotometer 
on the market is three fold or more expensive than the one supplied with PrintFix Pro.

Thank you again,

Ivor


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

>
> >>I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro 
> spectrophotometer
> for not being
> supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support 
> in the
> future?
> 
> Oddy, this question has not come up in well over a year, but now (for 
> some unknown reason) there is a flurry of questions about it. Sometimes 
> when this occurs its one individual making himself heard in various 
> ways, other times its a new situation triggering a group of users. 
> Here's all I know:
> 
> We provided Epson the necessary technical documents to support the PFP 
> spectro in ColorBase many months ago, and have not heard back from 
> them. Alternately, it might be possible to provide a text file format 
> that could be used with ColorBase without Epson's involvement, but 
> given the lack of end user interest, we have never looked into this. If 
> it becomes a common user request, we will certainly consider it.
> 
> I suspect that the current interest has to do with the idea that the 
> 3800 overinks, and that ColorBase might improve that. I can't respond 
> to that, not having worked with the utility and compared its results to 
> the driver controls. The driver controls tend to lose saturation when 
> used to lower ink limit; a result that makes it less than satisfactory 
> for reducing overinking. Perhaps ColorBase has more detailed controls 
> that could avoid that, though it seems unlikely.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WhoCares <ghibliii@...>
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 9:35 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Epson ColourBase
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro 
> spectrophotometer
> for not being
> supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support 
> in the
> future?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ivor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>I am a R2400 user myself not 3800 and my message was not prompted 
because of a
particular problem. As I understand implementation of ColorBase utility 
permits
printer to
be calibrated to a factory reference. Done on a periodic basis 
ColorBase
calibration can
negate decline/drift in print quality due miscalibration, wear, ink 
batch
variation, etc.
Same apply even more so to ageing printers. There are other uses as 
well. All of
the above
is even more relevant to R2400 users as the printer (when compared to 
the Pro
range) is
build to less strident tolerances.

I don't really expect this will be superior to simply profiling the 
printer with PrintFIX PRO, or Spyder3Print. The place where ColorBase 
would be useful would be if you owned two or more printers of the same 
model, that did not print similarly, and you wished to match them to 
each other, so that you could print interchangably to them using the 
same profile...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: WhoCares <ghibliii@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 1:50 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Epson ColourBase






Dear Mr. Tobie,

Thank you for reply.

I am sorry for raising an issue discussed before. Having said that I 
regard the
uses of
ColorBase much broader and of significant interest to anyone serious 
about
his/her printer
optimum performance.

I am a R2400 user myself not 3800 and my message was not prompted 
because of a
particular problem. As I understand implementation of ColorBase utility 
permits
printer to
be calibrated to a factory reference. Done on a periodic basis 
ColorBase
calibration can
negate decline/drift in print quality due miscalibration, wear, ink 
batch
variation, etc.
Same apply even more so to ageing printers. There are other uses as 
well. All of
the above
is even more relevant to R2400 users as the printer (when compared to 
the Pro
range) is
build to less strident tolerances.

I am really surprised and pleased to hear ColorVision could provide a 
text file
to be used
with ColorBase thus not necessitating further Epson involvement. 
Please, do it.
I shall do
my best as an individual to make the issue visible among Epson and 
ColorVision
users.

I would venture the bet that compatibility with Epson ColorBase may 
increase
PrintFix Pro
user base as the utility necessitate spectrophotometer yet every other
spectrophotometer
on the market is three fold or more expensive than the one supplied 
with
PrintFix Pro.

Thank you again,

Ivor


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro
> spectrophotometer
> for not being
> supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support
> in the
> future?
>
> Oddy, this question has not come up in well over a year, but now (for
> some unknown reason) there is a flurry of questions about it. 
Sometimes
> when this occurs its one individual making himself heard in various
> ways, other times its a new situation triggering a group of users.
> Here's all I know:
>
> We provided Epson the necessary technical documents to support the 
PFP
> spectro in ColorBase many months ago, and have not heard back from
> them. Alternately, it might be possible to provide a text file format
> that could be used with ColorBase without Epson's involvement, but
> given the lack of end user interest, we have never looked into this. 
If
> it becomes a common user request, we will certainly consider it.
>
> I suspect that the current interest has to do with the idea that the
> 3800 overinks, and that ColorBase might improve that. I can't respond
> to that, not having worked with the utility and compared its results 
to
> the driver controls. The driver controls tend to lose saturation when
> used to lower ink limit; a result that makes it less than 
satisfactory
> for reducing overinking. Perhaps ColorBase has more detailed controls
> that could avoid that, though it seems unlikely.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WhoCares <ghibliii@...>
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 9:35 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Epson ColourBase
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would like to ask, are there technical reasons PrintFix Pro
> spectrophotometer
> for not being
> supported by Epson calibration utility? Is there a chance for support
> in the
> future?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ivor
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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As far as I am aware PrintFix is not a substitute for printer calibration. Neither is ColorBase 
is substitute for printer profiling. ColorBase is used for printer and profile optimum 
performance, either on a single printer or as you mention equalising several printers and 
using same profiles on all. Bellow is a citation from Rob Galbraith site:

"Get better results from the ICC profiles included with the printer. Since the goal of 
ColorBase is to make the colour of your printer match that of the printer Epson used to 
create the bundled profiles, prints made through those profiles should have more accurate 
colour. Or at least colour that's much closer to what Epson was intending when the 
profiles were created.

By being able to return a printer's colour output to a known state, even when swapping in 
new ink cartridges or paper (of the same type but from a different media lot), it may not 
be necessary to generate a new custom profile as frequently. Instead, ColorBase can be 
used to bring the printer back to a state that closely resembles when the custom profile 
was made, by accounting for colour differences resulting from the new ink or media lot, 
changes in temperature and humidity, a shift in printer output after it has been 
transported and more."


ColorBase does not discriminate against third party profiles and printer optimisation apply 
regardless of profiles source.  If PrintFix profiles are created after printer calibration with 
ColorBase that means subsequent calibrations will bring the printer in the same 
performing state as it was before profiling with PrintFix. This is confirmed by Michael 
Reichmann experience posted on his site. To quote,

"So, if the Pro printers are calibrated at the factory, what on earth is ColorBase for, and 
why would you need it?

My own testing shows that the visible difference between printing with the calibration file 
active, and not, with both Epson's provided profiles and my own created with Gretag 
Macbeth's Eye One for my 4800, are very slight, but visible. On Enhanced Matte, my usual 
paper, I can see a slight increase in red density, as the most obvious difference."

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

>
> I don't really expect this will be superior to simply profiling the 
> printer with PrintFIX PRO, or Spyder3Print. The place where ColorBase 
> would be useful would be if you owned two or more printers of the same 
> model, that did not print similarly, and you wished to match them to 
> each other, so that you could print interchangably to them using the 
> same profile...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com

>>As far as I am aware PrintFix is not a substitute for printer 
calibration.
Neither is ColorBase
is substitute for printer profiling.

Both valid statements... but is ColorBase actually printer calibration? 
In the fundimental sense that is...

>>ColorBase is used for printer and profile
optimum
performance, either on a single printer or as you mention equalising 
several
printers and
using same profiles on all. Bellow is a citation from Rob Galbraith 
site:

"Get better results from the ICC profiles included with the printer. 
Since the
goal of
ColorBase is to make the colour of your printer match that of the 
printer Epson
used to
create the bundled profiles, prints made through those profiles should 
have more
accurate
colour. Or at least colour that's much closer to what Epson was 
intending when
the
profiles were created.

This quote referrs to buildind a canned profile, and using ColorBase to 
attempt to bring a specific printer to a state where that generic 
profile will better represent it. ColorBase would certainly help there. 
But one can use the same spectro used for that purpose with ColorBase, 
to straightforwardly bring the printer to a more accurate state by 
profiling it instead. I have seen no evidence of "ColorBasing" a 
printer making it better with custom profiles, only with canned ones. I 
would agree, on the other hand, that linearizing a RIP, or choosing the 
most appropriate media setting for an RGB driver will indeed produce a 
better result, even with a custom profile, so if ColorBase's 
capabilities run to that level of sophistocation, they may well worth 
bothering with even for use with custom profiles. That would be quite 
exciting, bringing one more feature of RIPs to a RIPless RGB workflow. 
I suspect, however, that they offer simple channel adjustments whose 
overall effect on total ink densities is similar to changing the 
default settings in the Density control.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: WhoCares <ghibliii@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 4:42 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Epson ColourBase






As far as I am aware PrintFix is not a substitute for printer 
calibration.
Neither is ColorBase
is substitute for printer profiling. ColorBase is used for printer and 
profile
optimum
performance, either on a single printer or as you mention equalising 
several
printers and
using same profiles on all. Bellow is a citation from Rob Galbraith 
site:

"Get better results from the ICC profiles included with the printer. 
Since the
goal of
ColorBase is to make the colour of your printer match that of the 
printer Epson
used to
create the bundled profiles, prints made through those profiles should 
have more
accurate
colour. Or at least colour that's much closer to what Epson was 
intending when
the
profiles were created.

By being able to return a printer's colour output to a known state, 
even when
swapping in
new ink cartridges or paper (of the same type but from a different 
media lot),
it may not
be necessary to generate a new custom profile as frequently. Instead, 
ColorBase
can be
used to bring the printer back to a state that closely resembles when 
the custom
profile
was made, by accounting for colour differences resulting from the new 
ink or
media lot,
changes in temperature and humidity, a shift in printer output after it 
has been

transported and more."


ColorBase does not discriminate against third party profiles and 
printer
optimisation apply
regardless of profiles source.  If PrintFix profiles are created after 
printer
calibration with
ColorBase that means subsequent calibrations will bring the printer in 
the same
performing state as it was before profiling with PrintFix. This is 
confirmed by
Michael
Reichmann experience posted on his site. To quote,

"So, if the Pro printers are calibrated at the factory, what on earth 
is
ColorBase for, and
why would you need it?

My own testing shows that the visible difference between printing with 
the
calibration file
active, and not, with both Epson's provided profiles and my own created 
with
Gretag
Macbeth's Eye One for my 4800, are very slight, but visible. On 
Enhanced Matte,
my usual
paper, I can see a slight increase in red density, as the most obvious
difference."

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> I don't really expect this will be superior to simply profiling the
> printer with PrintFIX PRO, or Spyder3Print. The place where ColorBase
> would be useful would be if you owned two or more printers of the 
same
> model, that did not print similarly, and you wished to match them to
> each other, so that you could print interchangably to them using the
> same profile...
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com






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Indeed I have no insider knowledge how exacly ColorBase works. Neither I have first hand experience for a 
reason that prompted this post. Hence I can only cite others' experience. Both Michael Reichmann on his site and 
Alain Briot on outbackphoto discuss ColorBase in the context of custom profiles. Further, Briot is using Bill 
Atkinson custom profiles build after linearization with ColorBase.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/epson-colorbase.shtml

http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi041/essay.html


Further let me cite relevant passages from Epson ColorBase FAQ.

In regard to custom profiling:

"How can I use Epson ColorBase with my ICC profile workflow?

First calibrate your Epson printer with Epson ColorBase and activate the calibration data. Your Epson printer 
matches now a standard Epson printer. Then create and use your own ICC media profile or use the supplied 
default Epson ICC media profile. When you recognize changes in the colour output, you only create new 
calibration data. Afterwards you can still use your already created ICC media profile or the supplied default Epson 
ICC media profile."

What ColorBase actually does:

"How does Epson ColorBase calibrate my Epson printer?

For the reduction of colour differences, Epson ColorBase calibrates your Epson printer to a standard Epson 
printer. First you print an Epson ColorBase test chart. The test chart consists of 264 colour patches. After a 
specific drying time you measure the test chart with a spectrophotometer. Epson ColorBase compares the actual 
measurement result with the ideal result of a standard Epson printer and calculates the correction that has to be 
applied to your Epson printer in order to match the standard Epson printer. These corrections are saved in the 
calibration data file. The calibration data file is inserted into your Epson printer driver’s look up tables (LUTs) 
that drive the colour halftoning process.

How often should I calibrate my Epson printer?

We recommend you to calibrate your Epson printer with Epson ColorBase regularly every second week to every 
month. Additional calibration to this time interval is necessary when you changed the ink cartridges or the media 
lot number, when you transported your Epson printer or when the environmental conditions changed a lot (i.e. in 
summer high temperatures or humidity)."


Based on all of the above I am inclined to think ColorBase is a wonderful utility. If PrintFix users can use it 
without the lunacy of a heavy investment in another spectrophotometer that would be great.

> I have seen no evidence of "ColorBasing" a 
> printer making it better with custom profiles, only with canned ones. I 
> would agree, on the other hand, that linearizing a RIP, or choosing the 
> most appropriate media setting for an RGB driver will indeed produce a 
> better result, even with a custom profile, so if ColorBase's 
> capabilities run to that level of sophistocation, they may well worth 
> bothering with even for use with custom profiles. That would be quite 
> exciting, bringing one more feature of RIPs to a RIPless RGB workflow. 
> I suspect, however, that they offer simple channel adjustments whose 
> overall effect on total ink densities is similar to changing the 
> default settings in the Density control.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com

> "How does Epson ColorBase calibrate my Epson printer?

I have a copy of the R2400/R1800 Service Manual which gives details of the 
printer calibration:-


The Manual talks about the calibration of the printhead during manufacture,
in which the weight of ink fired out of each nozzle is measured and this
info stored in the Head ID which has to be entered into the Epson Software
Utility after installation of the head to roughly correct the ink output for 
each printer.
OK, that is well known.

What I hadn't heard before is the use of a Color ID as well. This is a
factory color calibration of the whole printer after assembly. This is to
take account of the individual variation in the electronics of each computer
(mainboard, headboard, etc). For each printer a color chart is printed and
read with an i1 and the results fed into another Epson calibration utility
which produces a Color ID for that individual printer. That Color ID, stored
in the printer, is sent to the driver and basically tells the driver how
many ink drops of a particular size will produce the required ink output for
each nozzle. So for example, instead of normally firing say 10 drops of ink
to achieve a certain result, the Color ID will tell the driver that that
particular nozzle produces 10% less than normal output, therefore 11 drops 
are required
instead of 10.

The manual states that Epson Service Centres can do this themselves after 
major
servicing, or, if not large enough, can send in the printed charts to larger
centres for reading and producing the Color ID. It even talks of customer
calibration kits, for customers to do this themselves! The Color ID doesn't
take the place of the Head ID, which must still be entered into the printer
first as it contains other info about head waveforms etc.

This presumbly was what led Epson on to producing the consumer Colorbase 
utility for
the R2400 and larger printers, so that the color output of printers can be
recalibrated after changing inks, papers, or simply wear and tear, by the
users.

Another interesting point mentioned was that if the printer does NOT have a
Color ID (only uses the Head ID), greater ink safety margins are required.
With Head and Color IDs, 2-5% less ink will be left in the cartridge,
because the printer can more accurately measure the ink usage.



I use it on my two R2400s and they then work perfectly with the 
USA/Epson-supplied Epson paper profiles (with Epson papers and inks, of 
course). But that is not what David wants to hear! I don't use my 
ColorMouse/Profiler any more.

Bob Frost



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WhoCares" <ghibliii@...>

>>I use it on my two R2400s and they then work perfectly with the
USA/Epson-supplied Epson paper profiles (with Epson papers and inks, of
course). But that is not what David wants to hear! I don't use my
ColorMouse/Profiler any more.

I want to hear anything that produces more controlled color results. 
The slowness and inconvenience of ColorMouse/Profiler combinations was 
such that I hear from very few who still use them. Consistancy in OEM 
ink and media output is one way people have gone from there. Faster and 
simpler products that can profile third party inks or media is another.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost <bob@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Epson ColourBase






> "How does Epson ColorBase calibrate my Epson printer?

I have a copy of the R2400/R1800 Service Manual which gives details of 
the
printer calibration:-


The Manual talks about the calibration of the printhead during 
manufacture,
in which the weight of ink fired out of each nozzle is measured and this
info stored in the Head ID which has to be entered into the Epson 
Software
Utility after installation of the head to roughly correct the ink 
output for
each printer.
OK, that is well known.

What I hadn't heard before is the use of a Color ID as well. This is a
factory color calibration of the whole printer after assembly. This is 
to
take account of the individual variation in the electronics of each 
computer
(mainboard, headboard, etc). For each printer a color chart is printed 
and
read with an i1 and the results fed into another Epson calibration 
utility
which produces a Color ID for that individual printer. That Color ID, 
stored
in the printer, is sent to the driver and basically tells the driver how
many ink drops of a particular size will produce the required ink 
output for
each nozzle. So for example, instead of normally firing say 10 drops of 
ink
to achieve a certain result, the Color ID will tell the driver that that
particular nozzle produces 10% less than normal output, therefore 11 
drops
are required
instead of 10.

The manual states that Epson Service Centres can do this themselves 
after
major
servicing, or, if not large enough, can send in the printed charts to 
larger
centres for reading and producing the Color ID. It even talks of 
customer
calibration kits, for customers to do this themselves! The Color ID 
doesn't
take the place of the Head ID, which must still be entered into the 
printer
first as it contains other info about head waveforms etc.

This presumbly was what led Epson on to producing the consumer 
Colorbase
utility for
the R2400 and larger printers, so that the color output of printers can 
be
recalibrated after changing inks, papers, or simply wear and tear, by 
the
users.

Another interesting point mentioned was that if the printer does NOT 
have a
Color ID (only uses the Head ID), greater ink safety margins are 
required.
With Head and Color IDs, 2-5% less ink will be left in the cartridge,
because the printer can more accurately measure the ink usage.



I use it on my two R2400s and they then work perfectly with the
USA/Epson-supplied Epson paper profiles (with Epson papers and inks, of
course). But that is not what David wants to hear! I don't use my
ColorMouse/Profiler any more.

Bob Frost



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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> I don't really expect this will be superior to simply profiling the 
> printer with PrintFIX PRO, or Spyder3Print. The place where ColorBase 
...


David, what is Spyder3Print?

Cheers,
Marko

>>David, what is Spyder3Print?

Thought someone might be interested enough to ask... <G>

Keep your eyes on the PhotoPlus announcements this week, and you'll 
hear all about that, and more...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
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To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 7:54 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Epson ColourBase






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> I don't really expect this will be superior to simply profiling the
> printer with PrintFIX PRO, or Spyder3Print. The place where ColorBase
...


David, what is Spyder3Print?

Cheers,
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I am guessing a single device for both screen and print calibration.

Don't forget to release some new software for your existing PrintFIX
PRO Suite users!

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

>
> >>David, what is Spyder3Print?
> 
> Thought someone might be interested enough to ask... <G>
> 
> Keep your eyes on the PhotoPlus announcements this week, and you'll 
> hear all about that, and more...

>>I am guessing a single device for both screen and print calibration.

Well, a single product family, with coordinated names, at least...

>>Don't forget to release some new software for your existing PrintFIX
PRO Suite users!

I'm pleased to say that we haven't forgotten our PrintFIX PRO users, 
and that any new print profiling software will be free to existing 
users. <G>

Thats a long standing tradition at ColorVision/Datacolor. Its only when 
we release totally new hardware that users are obliged to purchase 
again, to get the new features.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 1:04 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Epson ColourBase






I am guessing a single device for both screen and print calibration.

Don't forget to release some new software for your existing PrintFIX
PRO Suite users!

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>David, what is Spyder3Print?
>
> Thought someone might be interested enough to ask... <G>
>
> Keep your eyes on the PhotoPlus announcements this week, and you'll
> hear all about that, and more...





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Hi All,

I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication will be 
intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for any of 
you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product line 
is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So go 
to www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to find out more, or just google spyder3...

For those of you (most of you!) who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO 
products, heres the situation:

Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not directly related 
to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with Spyder2 
hardware.

Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on PrintFIX PRO, and while it 
will ship with a differently finished spectro, and a SpyderGuide ruler, 
its the same basic device. So upgrades to the Spyder3Print software 
will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work with your existing 
PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print installers on our 
website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some of you at the 
Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
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>>Will it be possible to purchase the guide/ruler seperately to work 
with the PFXP spectro?

The SpyderGuide will certainly work with the existing PFP spectros. The 
details of supplying them to customers have not been worked out. Once 
enough units are available, I suspect that it will be possible to get 
one directly from Datacolor for some type of shipping and handling 
charge... but until they develop such a program its just speculation on 
my part.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lenos <doug@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
or products













Will it be possible to purchase the
guide/ruler seperately to work with the PFXP spectro?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: CDTobie@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line or
products



Hi All,

I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication
will be
intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for any
of
you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product line

is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So go
to
www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to
find out more, or just google spyder3...

For those of you (most of you!)
who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO
products, heres the
situation:

Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not
directly related
to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with
Spyder2
hardware.

Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on
PrintFIX PRO, and while it
will ship with a differently finished spectro,
and a SpyderGuide ruler,
its the same basic device. So upgrades to the
Spyder3Print software
will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work
with your existing
PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print
installers on our
website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some
of you at the
Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.

C. David
Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com
www.colorvision.com
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Hi,

I'm hanging around in a hotel lobby waiting for someone, so I thought 
I'd fill in a few more blanks for the curious.

Spyder3Print has a new software GUI, new hardware fit and finish, and 
new name, all to coordinate it better with Spyder3Elite (the monitor 
calibration product). Thats all well and good, but most of you will be 
more interested in new features and functionality. These are really in 
three areas:

The new SpyderGuide ruler: many users have asked for this. Those with 
good reflex time and good vision won't necessarily need the ruler, it 
may actually slow them down. But for those who had difficulty with 
patch reading, it should be a convenient guide.

New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star space 
in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and 
profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this 
applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-Star 
capabilities now).

SpyderProof: this is an improved replacement for our display 
calibration products previous "Before and After" function that allowed 
you to view a test image with and without calibration corrections, and 
PrintFIX PRO's "Print Preview" function for soft and hard proofing 
printer profiles. It now has 16 carefully selected images to cover 
saturated colors, skintones, highlights and shadows, gradients, 
landscapes, and grayscale images that can be zoomed in on for proofing. 
In Elite, this is screenproofing with a "before and after" toggle, in 
Print it allows you to toggle between a standard color view of the 
image, and a softproof to your printer profile, plus the ability to 
print any or all of the images through the profile.

Spyder3Elite has so many hardware and software features and 
improvements I can't begin to cover them here, you'll have to read the 
marketing materials. But I wan't sure that those materials made it 
clear how Spyder3Print related to its predecessory PrintFIX PRO, so I 
thought an overview would be useful.

Oh, one more comment, to reduce confusion: the bundle of Spyder3Elite, 
and Spyder3Print together is called Spyder3Studio, and it comes in a 
very nice metal case with foam cutouts for the devices.



C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: CDTobie@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 8:28 am
Subject: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line or 
products






Hi All,

I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication will be
intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for any of
you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product line
is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So go
to www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to find out more, or just google spyder3...

For those of you (most of you!) who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO
products, heres the situation:

Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not directly related
to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with Spyder2
hardware.

Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on PrintFIX PRO, and while it
will ship with a differently finished spectro, and a SpyderGuide ruler,
its the same basic device. So upgrades to the Spyder3Print software
will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work with your existing
PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print installers on our
website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some of you at the
Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star space 
> in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and 
> profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this 
> applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-Star 
> capabilities now).

So if I understand correctly, it will be possible to create printer
profiles in L-Star using new software and PFP hardware, but it will
not be possible to use Spyder2 for the same on monitor side (other
then using ColorEyes Display Pro calibration software)?

As far as the guide, I made templates about a year ago for all my PFP 
2.1 targets. For each type of target from Fast Target through all of 
the 8.5 X 11 Targets including Extended Greys, Used 10 X 12 sheets of 
3/8" plexiglass, centered each target under sheet of plexiglass and 
made light punch point right in the center of each target patch. 
Drilled beveled hole at each punch point (large enough to accept the 
spectrocolorimeter). On the down side of the plexiglass painted 8.5 X 
11 matte black rectangle to match entire target size. This makes it 
easy to line up target because edges of guide are still clear. 
Painted upside of target with black teflon paint. Now all I have to 
do to resd target is move spectrocolorimeter from hole to hole and 
click enter key on keyboard. Takes about 2 minutes to read target 
with no errors.It was a lot of work but now I can reprofile my paper 
stock as I order new batches and make new profiles easily. (forgot to 
say that when the holes are drilled I round the top edges of the 
holes to make it very easy to move from guide hole to guide 
hole....Aloha


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I'm hanging around in a hotel lobby waiting for someone, so I 
thought 
> I'd fill in a few more blanks for the curious.
> 
> Spyder3Print has a new software GUI, new hardware fit and finish, 
and 
> new name, all to coordinate it better with Spyder3Elite (the 
monitor 
> calibration product). Thats all well and good, but most of you will 
be 
> more interested in new features and functionality. These are really 
in 
> three areas:
> 
> The new SpyderGuide ruler: many users have asked for this. Those 
with 
> good reflex time and good vision won't necessarily need the ruler, 
it 
> may actually slow them down. But for those who had difficulty with 
> patch reading, it should be a convenient guide.
> 
> New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star 
space 
> in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and 
> profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this 
> applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-
Star 
> capabilities now).
> 
> SpyderProof: this is an improved replacement for our display 
> calibration products previous "Before and After" function that 
allowed 
> you to view a test image with and without calibration corrections, 
and 
> PrintFIX PRO's "Print Preview" function for soft and hard proofing 
> printer profiles. It now has 16 carefully selected images to cover 
> saturated colors, skintones, highlights and shadows, gradients, 
> landscapes, and grayscale images that can be zoomed in on for 
proofing. 
> In Elite, this is screenproofing with a "before and after" toggle, 
in 
> Print it allows you to toggle between a standard color view of the 
> image, and a softproof to your printer profile, plus the ability to 
> print any or all of the images through the profile.
> 
> Spyder3Elite has so many hardware and software features and 
> improvements I can't begin to cover them here, you'll have to read 
the 
> marketing materials. But I wan't sure that those materials made it 
> clear how Spyder3Print related to its predecessory PrintFIX PRO, so 
I 
> thought an overview would be useful.
> 
> Oh, one more comment, to reduce confusion: the bundle of 
Spyder3Elite, 
> and Spyder3Print together is called Spyder3Studio, and it comes in 
a 
> very nice metal case with foam cutouts for the devices.
> 
> 
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CDTobie@...
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 8:28 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
or 
> products
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication will be
> intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for 
any of
> you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product 
line
> is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So 
go
> to www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to find out more, or just google 
spyder3...
> 
> For those of you (most of you!) who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO
> products, heres the situation:
> 
> Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not directly 
related
> to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with Spyder2
> hardware.
> 
> Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on PrintFIX PRO, and 
while it
> will ship with a differently finished spectro, and a SpyderGuide 
ruler,
> its the same basic device. So upgrades to the Spyder3Print software
> will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work with your 
existing
> PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print installers on 
our
> website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some of you at 
the
> Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
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>>So if I understand correctly, it will be possible to create printer
profiles in L-Star using new software and PFP hardware,

Correct...

>> but it will
not be possible to use Spyder2 for the same on monitor side (other
then using ColorEyes Display Pro calibration software)?

Actually you can load any tone response curve into Spyder2PRO, 
including L-Star, if you have a copy of it. Its just built in with 
Spyder3Elite, so that its an internal choice, not something that 
requires an external curve.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:39 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star 
space
> in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and
> profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this
> applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-Star
> capabilities now).

So if I understand correctly, it will be possible to create printer
profiles in L-Star using new software and PFP hardware, but it will
not be possible to use Spyder2 for the same on monitor side (other
then using ColorEyes Display Pro calibration software)?





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>>For each type of target from Fast Target through all of
the 8.5 X 11 Targets including Extended Greys, Used 10 X 12 sheets of
3/8" plexiglass, centered each target under sheet of plexiglass and
made light punch point right in the center of each target patch.
Drilled beveled hole at each punch point (large enough to accept the
spectrocolorimeter).

As long as you don't acquire a different printer with different 
margins, your hardwired templates will be fine...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: lanaki002 <gentryr001@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 5:52 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products






As far as the guide, I made templates about a year ago for all my PFP
2.1 targets. For each type of target from Fast Target through all of
the 8.5 X 11 Targets including Extended Greys, Used 10 X 12 sheets of
3/8" plexiglass, centered each target under sheet of plexiglass and
made light punch point right in the center of each target patch.
Drilled beveled hole at each punch point (large enough to accept the
spectrocolorimeter). On the down side of the plexiglass painted 8.5 X
11 matte black rectangle to match entire target size. This makes it
easy to line up target because edges of guide are still clear.
Painted upside of target with black teflon paint. Now all I have to
do to resd target is move spectrocolorimeter from hole to hole and
click enter key on keyboard. Takes about 2 minutes to read target
with no errors.It was a lot of work but now I can reprofile my paper
stock as I order new batches and make new profiles easily. (forgot to
say that when the holes are drilled I round the top edges of the
holes to make it very easy to move from guide hole to guide
hole....Aloha


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm hanging around in a hotel lobby waiting for someone, so I
thought
> I'd fill in a few more blanks for the curious.
>
> Spyder3Print has a new software GUI, new hardware fit and finish,
and
> new name, all to coordinate it better with Spyder3Elite (the
monitor
> calibration product). Thats all well and good, but most of you will
be
> more interested in new features and functionality. These are really
in
> three areas:
>
> The new SpyderGuide ruler: many users have asked for this. Those
with
> good reflex time and good vision won't necessarily need the ruler,
it
> may actually slow them down. But for those who had difficulty with
> patch reading, it should be a convenient guide.
>
> New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star
space
> in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and
> profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this
> applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-
Star
> capabilities now).
>
> SpyderProof: this is an improved replacement for our display
> calibration products previous "Before and After" function that
allowed
> you to view a test image with and without calibration corrections,
and
> PrintFIX PRO's "Print Preview" function for soft and hard proofing
> printer profiles. It now has 16 carefully selected images to cover
> saturated colors, skintones, highlights and shadows, gradients,
> landscapes, and grayscale images that can be zoomed in on for
proofing.
> In Elite, this is screenproofing with a "before and after" toggle,
in
> Print it allows you to toggle between a standard color view of the
> image, and a softproof to your printer profile, plus the ability to
> print any or all of the images through the profile.
>
> Spyder3Elite has so many hardware and software features and
> improvements I can't begin to cover them here, you'll have to read
the
> marketing materials. But I wan't sure that those materials made it
> clear how Spyder3Print related to its predecessory PrintFIX PRO, so
I
> thought an overview would be useful.
>
> Oh, one more comment, to reduce confusion: the bundle of
Spyder3Elite,
> and Spyder3Print together is called Spyder3Studio, and it comes in
a
> very nice metal case with foam cutouts for the devices.
>
>
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CDTobie@...
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 8:28 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line
or
> products
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication will be
> intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for
any of
> you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product
line
> is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So
go
> to www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to find out more, or just google
spyder3...
>
> For those of you (most of you!) who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO
> products, heres the situation:
>
> Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not directly
related
> to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with Spyder2
> hardware.
>
> Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on PrintFIX PRO, and
while it
> will ship with a differently finished spectro, and a SpyderGuide
ruler,
> its the same basic device. So upgrades to the Spyder3Print software
> will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work with your
existing
> PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print installers on
our
> website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some of you at
the
> Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
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To CD Tobie

my question is in regards to issues involving Apple's new operating 
system and PFP compatibility. i'm quite sure you've done your testing 
on it, but will any updates be required for it?

also i was reading that Leopard has some printing improvements and 
upgraded CUPS. i'm not really sure what it all means, i'm just 
wondering if you could enlighten us Mac users as to how, if any, this 
is going to affect our relationships with our printers and color 
management.

Thanks

ghi

>>my question is in regards to issues involving Apple's new operating
system and PFP compatibility. i'm quite sure you've done your testing
on it, but will any updates be required for it?

>>also i was reading that Leopard has some printing improvements and
upgraded CUPS. i'm not really sure what it all means, i'm just
wondering if you could enlighten us Mac users as to how, if any, this
is going to affect our relationships with our printers and color
management.

We have done some testing, but can't make any conclusive statements yet 
(we've been a bit busy finishing our new product line...) Certainly 
Leopard will be important to us, and we'll give updates as needed top 
priority once the OS ships. My understanding about new Leopard 16 bit 
printing is that it would require new drivers to take advantage of it. 
My understanding of CUPS improvements is that they won't relate to 
standard installations of drivers from your printer vendor, just 
printing via generic CUPS drivers... but I could be wrong on either or 
both counts.

Assuming I am correct on both counts, neither item would really effect 
most current printer models for most users.

By the way, I'll be printing with the new Canon PRO9500 printer at 
PhotoPlus this week. So stop by the Datacolor booth  (hard to miss, its 
under the big Spyder3 banner) if you are interested in seeing custom 
profiled results with this device.

And at 10:20 Thursday morning I'll be speaking in the 500 seat theater 
on the show floor. Public demand is for me to talk about the new 
features in the new Spyder3 products, so thats likely to be what I'll 
be covering.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ghi Stecyk <ghiangelo@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:11 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Leopard






To CD Tobie

my question is in regards to issues involving Apple's new operating
system and PFP compatibility. i'm quite sure you've done your testing
on it, but will any updates be required for it?

also i was reading that Leopard has some printing improvements and
upgraded CUPS. i'm not really sure what it all means, i'm just
wondering if you could enlighten us Mac users as to how, if any, this
is going to affect our relationships with our printers and color
management.

Thanks

ghi




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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> Actually you can load any tone response curve into Spyder2PRO, 
> including L-Star, if you have a copy of it. Its just built in with 
> Spyder3Elite, so that its an internal choice, not something that 
> requires an external curve.

David,

I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO. Do you think 9-point 
curve is adequate to effectively describe L-Star? What better tool can be used to create more 
fitted curve - it appears that documents in Curve folder are a variation on .icc files. Can these 
files only contain curves with points or can you read parametric curves like in ICC v4?

Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset? I'm sure it would be appreciaged by some of 
the current PFP + Spyder2 users.

Cheers.

Actually I use the for 3 different printers and just manually set the
margins- they are a little off but not enough to affect profiling. I will be
interested in the new guide when time to upgrade.Thank You

From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CDTobie@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:09 PM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line of
products

 

>>For each type of target from Fast Target through all of
the 8.5 X 11 Targets including Extended Greys, Used 10 X 12 sheets of
3/8" plexiglass, centered each target under sheet of plexiglass and
made light punch point right in the center of each target patch.
Drilled beveled hole at each punch point (large enough to accept the
spectrocolorimeter).

As long as you don't acquire a different printer with different 
margins, your hardwired templates will be fine...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40colorvision.com> 
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: lanaki002 <gentryr001@...
<mailto:gentryr001%40hawaii.rr.com> >
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 5:52 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products

As far as the guide, I made templates about a year ago for all my PFP
2.1 targets. For each type of target from Fast Target through all of
the 8.5 X 11 Targets including Extended Greys, Used 10 X 12 sheets of
3/8" plexiglass, centered each target under sheet of plexiglass and
made light punch point right in the center of each target patch.
Drilled beveled hole at each punch point (large enough to accept the
spectrocolorimeter). On the down side of the plexiglass painted 8.5 X
11 matte black rectangle to match entire target size. This makes it
easy to line up target because edges of guide are still clear.
Painted upside of target with black teflon paint. Now all I have to
do to resd target is move spectrocolorimeter from hole to hole and
click enter key on keyboard. Takes about 2 minutes to read target
with no errors.It was a lot of work but now I can reprofile my paper
stock as I order new batches and make new profiles easily. (forgot to
say that when the holes are drilled I round the top edges of the
holes to make it very easy to move from guide hole to guide
hole....Aloha

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>
> Hi,
>
> I'm hanging around in a hotel lobby waiting for someone, so I
thought
> I'd fill in a few more blanks for the curious.
>
> Spyder3Print has a new software GUI, new hardware fit and finish,
and
> new name, all to coordinate it better with Spyder3Elite (the
monitor
> calibration product). Thats all well and good, but most of you will
be
> more interested in new features and functionality. These are really
in
> three areas:
>
> The new SpyderGuide ruler: many users have asked for this. Those
with
> good reflex time and good vision won't necessarily need the ruler,
it
> may actually slow them down. But for those who had difficulty with
> patch reading, it should be a convenient guide.
>
> New L-Star workflow option: For those who like working in L-Star
space
> in Photoshop, and want to calibrate their displays to L-Star and
> profile their printers for it, thats now possible. Note that this
> applies to both Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print (they both have L-
Star
> capabilities now).
>
> SpyderProof: this is an improved replacement for our display
> calibration products previous "Before and After" function that
allowed
> you to view a test image with and without calibration corrections,
and
> PrintFIX PRO's "Print Preview" function for soft and hard proofing
> printer profiles. It now has 16 carefully selected images to cover
> saturated colors, skintones, highlights and shadows, gradients,
> landscapes, and grayscale images that can be zoomed in on for
proofing.
> In Elite, this is screenproofing with a "before and after" toggle,
in
> Print it allows you to toggle between a standard color view of the
> image, and a softproof to your printer profile, plus the ability to
> print any or all of the images through the profile.
>
> Spyder3Elite has so many hardware and software features and
> improvements I can't begin to cover them here, you'll have to read
the
> marketing materials. But I wan't sure that those materials made it
> clear how Spyder3Print related to its predecessory PrintFIX PRO, so
I
> thought an overview would be useful.
>
> Oh, one more comment, to reduce confusion: the bundle of
Spyder3Elite,
> and Spyder3Print together is called Spyder3Studio, and it comes in
a
> very nice metal case with foam cutouts for the devices.
>
>
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
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> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 8:28 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Initial info on the new Spyder3 line
or
> products
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm heading into NYC for PhotoPlus this AM, so communication will be
> intermittant for the next several days. I wanted to mention, for
any of
> you who haven't noticed yet, that news about the Spyder3 product
line
> is starting to come out, and the show will bring out even more. So
go
> to www.datacolor.com/spyder3 to find out more, or just google
spyder3...
>
> For those of you (most of you!) who own Spyder2 or PrintFIX PRO
> products, heres the situation:
>
> Spyder3 is all new hardware, all new software, and not directly
related
> to Spyder2. So the new software will not work with with Spyder2
> hardware.
>
> Spyder3Print, on the other hand, is based on PrintFIX PRO, and
while it
> will ship with a differently finished spectro, and a SpyderGuide
ruler,
> its the same basic device. So upgrades to the Spyder3Print software
> will be free to PrintFIX PRO owners (and will work with your
existing
> PFP serial numbers). Keep an eye out for Spyder3Print installers on
our
> website, they should be up before long. Hope to see some of you at
the
> Datacolor booth at PhotoPlus this week.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
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Hi everyone:

All existing PrintFIX PRO users can download and install Spyder3Print 3.0,
and you can get the installers here:

http://www.colorvision.com/dl_software.php

Note that the Spyder3Print 3.0 line has both Windows and OSX installers
as clickable downloads.

If anyone would like a copy of the update notes, please email me at
davem@... and I'll email you a copy of the Update Notes file.
The text for this file is in the "i" button on the web site, next to the
installers, but somehow it got pasted there in a format that makes it
a chore to read (to put it mildly) so until this is fixed, you're better
off getting the .txt file for this directly from me.

We hope you all enjoy the free upgrade to Spyder3Print!


Best regards,



-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

(This should be simpler than emailing individual copies of this)


Spyder3Print 3.0, October 18, 2007

PrintFIX PRO 2.0 -> PrintFIX PRO 2.1 -> Spyder3Print 3.0 Update Notes

Key: (Both) = OSX + Win, (OSX) = OSX only, (Win) = Windows only


**************** Spyder3Print 3.0 ****************


PLEASE READ before installing Spyder3Print 3.0 as an update from earlier
PrintFIX PRO versions!

(Both): DO THIS FIRST: Any measurement files you've previously created
will be in your older PrintFIX PRO :Data:PRO subfolder. (If you have
PrintFIX PRO 2.0 or later already installed, you can use the
"File:Open Data" command to open and view the contents of this folder,
once PrintFIX PRO is running).

PLEASE MAKE COPIES of your existing measurement .xml files before you
continue! After you've run the Spyder3Print 3.0 installer, use Spyder3Print's
"File:Open Data" command to open the new measurement files folder, and copy
your measurement files back into it. NOTE: There have been no changes
in any of the file formats; all measurement files created with older versions
of PrintFIX PRO software are 100% compatible with Spyder3Print. NOTE: The same
comment applies to the contents of PrintFIX PRO's "Export" folder. If you've
used the Average or Export commands, or have exported measurements to use with
QTR or CreateICC, make sure you backup, and then recopy, the contents of these
folder for use with Spyder3Print as well. NOTE: The "PRO" subfolder has been
replaced with a "Print" subfolder in the new software; this is where you will
copy your measurement files to.


(Both): All existing PrintFIX PRO serial numbers will work with Spyder3Print.
As with all previous versions of the software, this is a free upgrade. You
will need to re-enter your FULL serial from PrintFIX PRO to initialize and
run the new software.

NOTE: PrintFIX PRO serial numbers start with 890.

NOTE: PrintFIX PLUS serial numbers (which start with 889) will NOT work
with Spyder3Print. You can only use Spyder3Print if you have a Datacolor
1005 spectrocolorimeter as part of a previous installation of PrintFIX PRO.

NOTE: You must enter the dashes (-) between the number groups for the 
serial number to work.

NOTE: You must enter all of the trailing digits from the FULL serial for
PrintFIX PRO. The serial number  will NOT work if you enter the X'd out
digits (...XXXX) that are shown in PrintFIX PRO's "About" dialog. You need
the FULL serial (all digits, in 3 groups, separated by dashes) for it to work.

(OSX) Your Applications folder will contain a "PrintFIX PRO" folder that was
specifically named for the PFP version that you had previously installed (such
as "PrintFIX PRO 2.1"). You can simply run the Spyder3Print 3.0 installer,
without deleting any older PrintFIX PRO application folder you may have been
using, and a "Spyder3Print 3.0" folder will be created in 
Applications:Datacolor. You can continue to run either the older 
PrintFIX PRO
software out of its own folder as well as Spyder3Print out of the new Datacolor
subfolder in your Applications folder. Multiple installations are completely
"separate" and will not interfere with each other. OSX users don't need to
unplug or replug the spectro during installation.

(Win) We recommend going to the Start menu, Colorvision section, and doing
an Uninstall of your older version of PrintFIX PRO first (with the spectro
unplugged). Then run the Spyder3Print 3.0 installer. The software will go into
a new Spyder3Print application folder (which will be in a new Datacolor
subfolder in Program Files) and you will see a new set of items in the Start
menu.



********************* Changes in Spyder3Print 3.0 *********************


                         *** New features ***

- The user interface has been updated with the new "look" for the
Spyder3Elite and Spyder3Print products, and Datacolor is now being used for
the product naming.

- The new SpyderProof(tm) softproofing image display and mechanism are
improvements for the older PrintFIX PRO softproofing feature. You now have
a matrix of 16 high quality images at your disposal for softproofing. Clicking
on any corner quadrant area zooms you in one level, so that only the 4 images
from that quadrant are visible. Clicking again on any image in that group
isolates that image only. One more click brings you back to the top level,
where all 16 images are visible. Click on the "Large Preview" button to expand
the current softproof display into a full-size window that's shaped according
to your page setup shape and which also shows you the border printing area, as
in older versions of PrintFIX PRO. Page Setup, Print, and the softproofing
controls work as they have in the past.

- The image files for the new softproofing feature are located in the new
"Proof" folder which is at the same level as the Spyder3Print application.

- Softproofing is much faster than in the previous versions of PrintFIX PRO.

- New item in Preferences for "L-Star workflow".

- Added a full translation of the application, Help files, and installation
in Russian.

- If you attempt to select Portrait mode rather than Landscape, during Page
Setup, Spyder3Print will detect this and warn you.

- The software installs, by default, into a "Spyder3Print" folder in a
"Datacolor" folder. In OSX, the Datacolor folder is in Applications; in
Windows, in Program Files. The new Spyder3Elite software also installs into
its own named subfolder in the Datacolor folder. So, if you have both
Spyder3Print and Spyder3Elite installed, you will see their subfolders
next to each other.

- The measurements files are now stored in a "Print" subfolder in the Data
folder (this replaces the "PRO" subfolder from the earlier versions of PrintFIX
PRO). If you have any older measurement files, just copy them into this
folder to make them available in Spyder3Print.

- Completely updated Help files for both English and Russian. Other language
installs will get a slightly modified version of the older PrintFIX PRO 2.1
Help in that language.

- (OSX): Uses "sheets" for most alerts, rather than dialog windows. (Better
cosmetics)

                             *** Fixes ***

- The Average command will now work properly with Extended Gray measurement
files.

- Exporting measurements to a QTR linearization file now puts the proper
keyword into the file.

- Fixed a problem with the wrong text label being shown, in the Ref
White/Ref Black feature.




******** Changes from PrintFIX PRO 2.0 to PrintFIX PRO 2.1 ********


- (Win): Vista compatibility.

- (Win): The Print button on various UI screens now brings up the full Windows
print dialog. You can access printer driver settings here directly. Note: in
Vista, this is the ONLY place to adjust printer driver settings, since Printer
Properties are not available in Vista's Page Setup dialog.

- (Win): XP/64 fixes for some stability issues.

- (Both): The Spectro Calibration screen now contains a picture of the spectro
on its calibration base, as an additional reminder that the spectro must be
calibrated this way (sitting in the calibration base); not on the paper white.

- (Both): Updates for Help files in French, German, Spanish, Simplified
Chinese, and Traditional Chinese.

- (Both): Additional translations for warning alerts.

- (Both): Various adjustments/fixes to text translations for some UI elements;
in all non-English languages.

- (Both): Better checking and error messages for rare cases in which certain
files which are needed for proper operation are not present after installation.



-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Thanks David. (Win) We recommend going to the Start menu, Colorvision section, and doing an Uninstall of your older version of PrintFIX PRO first (with the

>Thanks David.
>
>"(Win) We recommend going to the Start menu, Colorvision section, and doing
>an Uninstall of your older version of PrintFIX PRO first (with the spectro
>unplugged). Then run the Spyder3Print 3.0 installer. The software will go into
>a new Spyder3Print application folder (which will be in a new Datacolor
>subfolder in Program Files) and you will see a new set of items in the Start
>menu."
>
>Should we have the spectro plugged in when we run the 3.0 installer?
>

The Windows installer tells you not to. (So: unplug it)

(With OSX, it doesn't matter if you have the spectro plugged in, or not, when
you run the installer. Windows is more finicky than that.)

You're welcome!




-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

>>I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO.

No, I was referring to importing a curve, not creating one...

>>Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset?

Yes, Spyder3Elite does exactly that...

 I'm sure it would be appreciaged
by some of
the current PFP + Spyder2 users.

Sorry, we aren't building new features into the older products. We have 
just recently licensed L-Star, and are adding into our new line of 
products.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 5:58 am
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> Actually you can load any tone response curve into Spyder2PRO,
> including L-Star, if you have a copy of it. Its just built in with
> Spyder3Elite, so that its an internal choice, not something that
> requires an external curve.

David,

I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO. Do 
you think
9-point
curve is adequate to effectively describe L-Star? What better tool can 
be used
to create more
fitted curve - it appears that documents in Curve folder are a 
variation on .icc
files. Can these
files only contain curves with points or can you read parametric curves 
like in
ICC v4?

Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset? I'm sure it would be 
appreciaged
by some of
the current PFP + Spyder2 users.

Cheers.




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Sorry, I should have said that I m using XP.  Are you saying that the spectro should be plugged in when I install? Thanks again, Tom ... -- Tom Husband 

Anyone owning PrintFIX PRO can now download the new Spyder3Print 
software from <http://www.colorvision.com/dl_software.php> and use it 
with their PFP spectro and serial number. Existing owners will actually 
get to use this software before new purchasers, since Spyder3Studio 
orders will not be filled until at least the end of the month.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

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From: CDTobie@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:27 am
Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 
line of products






>>I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO.

No, I was referring to importing a curve, not creating one...

>>Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset?

Yes, Spyder3Elite does exactly that...

 I'm sure it would be appreciaged
by some of
the current PFP + Spyder2 users.

Sorry, we aren't building new features into the older products. We have
just recently licensed L-Star, and are adding into our new line of
products.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 5:58 am
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line
of products






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> Actually you can load any tone response curve into Spyder2PRO,
> including L-Star, if you have a copy of it. Its just built in with
> Spyder3Elite, so that its an internal choice, not something that
> requires an external curve.

David,

I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO. Do
you think
9-point
curve is adequate to effectively describe L-Star? What better tool can
be used
to create more
fitted curve - it appears that documents in Curve folder are a
variation on .icc
files. Can these
files only contain curves with points or can you read parametric curves
like in
ICC v4?

Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset? I'm sure it would be
appreciaged
by some of
the current PFP + Spyder2 users.

Cheers.




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David..
Please ignore the previous email.

..bob

>Sorry, I should have said that I'm using XP.  Are you saying that the spectro should be plugged in when I install? 

OSX is Mac OSX, not Windows XP...:-)

No, do not plug the spectro in when you're running the Windows
installer for Spyder3Print. This goes for both XP and Vista.

That means -you- should -not- plug in the spectro while you're running
the installer...:-)


Best regards,

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> >>I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO.
> 
> No, I was referring to importing a curve, not creating one...

I assume you are referring to File > Import/Open Target menu (I am
paraphrasing, since I don't have the software here)?

I imported L-Star-RGB.icc, and my screen display changed, so
Spyder2PRO was presumably able to interpret the curve within.
Calibration process completed, but the software then crashed (this is
on intel Mac). I had the same problem when trying to calibrate using
"Linear Grayscale" curve that you supply with your software. Using
gamma x.x curves seems to work (at least 1.8 and 2.2). Is this a known
bug? Is it Mac specific? Should it work if I try to calibrate from
Boot Camp/Windows and use that ICC in OSX? (it is an LCD monitor
connected with DVI, if that matters).

> >>Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset?
> 
> Sorry, we aren't building new features into the older products. We have 
> just recently licensed L-Star, and are adding into our new line of 
> products.

I am confused about this point... it is my understanding that the only
thing different about L-star curve is that it is shaped slightly
differently then a simple gamma curve. What is it one needs to licence?

I can appreciate that your marketing department wants to make the new
version of your product seem very special, and I wish you best success
with it, but I find it unlikely that you would be losing sales by
declining to provide a simple benefit to your existing customers - how
many owners of Spyder2PRO or PrintFIX Pro Suite are going to upgrade
their hardware to very similar hardware - please understand that I
think you have a great product for the price already, so I am not
entering this conversation with a negative slant.

I read the user guide carefully, and I see no mention of how to import
curves, and what kinds of targets are compatible with it. Perhaps when
you say "import curve", you are talking about something else that I am
missing.

Thanks.

I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to 
download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a 
serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it 
over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen 
came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread 
stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake, 
but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok 
to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?  


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> NOTE: PrintFIX PRO serial numbers start with 890.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Keith R." <kjrslr@...> wrote:
>
> I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to 
> download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a 
> serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it 
> over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen 
> came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread 
> stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake, 
> but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok 
> to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?  

The website is not actually checking for valid serial numbers. You can
type in any bunch of digits - not sure I understand what the point is.
It is when you actually install the software that you will need a
valid serial number. Also, your current installation of PrintFIX Pro
does not display entire serial in "about" box - at least it doesn't on
mine - last few digits are xxxx. I had to find original CD.

>>Should it work if I try to calibrate from
Boot Camp/Windows and use that ICC in OSX? (it is an LCD monitor
connected with DVI, if that matters).

I make no predictions at all about calibrating under emulation... but 
certainly L-Star has been importable in our testing with S2Pro, under 
standard OS configurations.


C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 3:03 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
> >>I assume you are referring to curve-creation ability in Spyder2PRO.
>
> No, I was referring to importing a curve, not creating one...

I assume you are referring to File > Import/Open Target menu (I am
paraphrasing, since I don't have the software here)?

I imported L-Star-RGB.icc, and my screen display changed, so
Spyder2PRO was presumably able to interpret the curve within.
Calibration process completed, but the software then crashed (this is
on intel Mac). I had the same problem when trying to calibrate using
"Linear Grayscale" curve that you supply with your software. Using
gamma x.x curves seems to work (at least 1.8 and 2.2). Is this a known
bug? Is it Mac specific? Should it work if I try to calibrate from
Boot Camp/Windows and use that ICC in OSX? (it is an LCD monitor
connected with DVI, if that matters).

> >>Could you provide a good L-Star curve preset?
>
> Sorry, we aren't building new features into the older products. We 
have
> just recently licensed L-Star, and are adding into our new line of
> products.

I am confused about this point... it is my understanding that the only
thing different about L-star curve is that it is shaped slightly
differently then a simple gamma curve. What is it one needs to licence?

I can appreciate that your marketing department wants to make the new
version of your product seem very special, and I wish you best success
with it, but I find it unlikely that you would be losing sales by
declining to provide a simple benefit to your existing customers - how
many owners of Spyder2PRO or PrintFIX Pro Suite are going to upgrade
their hardware to very similar hardware - please understand that I
think you have a great product for the price already, so I am not
entering this conversation with a negative slant.

I read the user guide carefully, and I see no mention of how to import
curves, and what kinds of targets are compatible with it. Perhaps when
you say "import curve", you are talking about something else that I am
missing.

Thanks.





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>>I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to
download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a
serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it
over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen
came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread
stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake,
but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok
to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?

As long as it downloaded you are fine. Its when you install it and 
first run it that you need to use your software (not hardware!) serial 
number...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith R. <kjrslr@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 5:57 pm
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Spyder3Print 3.0 Update Notes






I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to
download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a
serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it
over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen
came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread
stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake,
but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok
to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...>
wrote:
>
> NOTE: PrintFIX PRO serial numbers start with 890.





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>I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to
>download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a
>serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it
>over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen
>came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread
>stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake,
>but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok
>to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?

It'll be ok. I think  you've just proved that serial number checking
for access to the downloads, on the web site, isn't working properly.

No harm done, just run the installer.

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Keith R." wrote:
>
> I saw Mr. Tobie's thread before yours and clicked on the link to
> download the update( I have PFP). When I came to the part asking for a
> serial number, I just reached over and picked up the spectro, turned it
> over, and used the s/n that I saw on the underside. The next screen
> came up to begin the download. While it downloaded, I read your thread
> stating that the s/n begins with 890. I realized that I made a mistake,
> but the download continued. Is this download(Spyder3Print_Setup.exc) ok
> to run or do I need to restart the process using the 890...s/n?

The website is not actually checking for valid serial numbers. You can
type in any bunch of digits - not sure I understand what the point is.
It is when you actually install the software that you will need a
valid serial number. Also, your current installation of PrintFIX Pro
does not display entire serial in "about" box - at least it doesn't on

mine - last few digits are xxxx. I had to find original CD.

-- 

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>Should it work if I try to calibrate from
> Boot Camp/Windows and use that ICC in OSX? (it is an LCD monitor
> connected with DVI, if that matters).
> 
> I make no predictions at all about calibrating under emulation... but 
> certainly L-Star has been importable in our testing with S2Pro, under 
> standard OS configurations.

I tried it on 2 Macs, both intel, one of which is only a month old iMac, so it is still squeaky 
clean. Both exhibit the same problem - I load custom profile from the menu when the 
program starts, click on next.., accepting defaults, it happily goes through all colors, and 
at the end it gets killed with EXC_BAD_ACCESS/KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE.

Is there anyone with a Mac, particularly an Intel one, who is willing to try? I am loading L-
Star-RGB.icc that comes with Spyder3Print, but one could presumably use this 
http://www.colormanagement.org/en/workingspaces.html (which is Karl Koch's website, 
who as far as I understand is the guy who defined and/or made original profiles for L-
Star).

As for the above response, it is not going to work under emulation - I think neither 
vmware nor parallels emulate video drivers with LUTs. I was going to try Boot Camp and do 
it natively in Windows. Just don't know if resulting ICC profile would give correct colors on 
the Mac.

>>Just don't know if resulting ICC profile would give
correct colors on
the Mac.

Display profiles should move from Mac to Win successfully, if for the 
same videocard; but this is rarely done, and I can think of assorted 
possible details that could mess things up...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: marko.mili <marko.mili@...>
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 4:19 am
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Initial info on the new Spyder3 line 
of products






--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>Should it work if I try to calibrate from
> Boot Camp/Windows and use that ICC in OSX? (it is an LCD monitor
> connected with DVI, if that matters).
>
> I make no predictions at all about calibrating under emulation... but
> certainly L-Star has been importable in our testing with S2Pro, under
> standard OS configurations.

I tried it on 2 Macs, both intel, one of which is only a month old 
iMac, so it
is still squeaky
clean. Both exhibit the same problem - I load custom profile from the 
menu when
the
program starts, click on next.., accepting defaults, it happily goes 
through all
colors, and
at the end it gets killed with EXC_BAD_ACCESS/KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE.

Is there anyone with a Mac, particularly an Intel one, who is willing 
to try? I
am loading L-
Star-RGB.icc that comes with Spyder3Print, but one could presumably use 
this
http://www.colormanagement.org/en/workingspaces.html (which is Karl 
Koch's
website,
who as far as I understand is the guy who defined and/or made original 
profiles
for L-
Star).

As for the above response, it is not going to work under emulation - I 
think
neither
vmware nor parallels emulate video drivers with LUTs. I was going to 
try Boot
Camp and do
it natively in Windows. Just don't know if resulting ICC profile would 
give
correct colors on
the Mac.




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>Two questions about Spider3print. First What does the new software do that PFP2 doesn't other than having a new GUI?  Are the profiles superior and if so in what way?

The profiles are as superior as they were in the previous version...:-)
No difference, no changes in the profiling algorithm. (Otherwise, I would
have said so in the Update Notes).

The main functional difference (vs. the cosmetic changes in the UI)
is the SpyderProof display of images after you build a profile.

>
>Second, I downloaded the S3P release and it refuses to find my colorvision mouse even though it shows up nicely with PFP2. Is this normal behavior - does S3P require the new hardware or is it capable of struggling along with the freehand mouse from PFP2?

There's no difference there, and no reason why Spyder3Print shouldn't be
able to see your spectro. It doesn't require new hardware at all, and I'm
using it for development with spectros ranging from original preproduction
test units to release units.

If you go into Preferences, and switch the popup to "Spectro", it's not
picking up and seeing your unit...?

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision