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Spider 3 print printing templates

2008-09-30 by Lew

Hi All,
I am having trouble with my profile for an epson R290,
I have printed & read the template but the profile is off sky blues
have a mauve hue. What driver settings should i set on the printer
prior to printing the template. I believe this may be where my problem
is. I want to use the profile with Lightroom 2 & cs3.
you can see an example of the print at :-
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1003&thread=29495482

thanks in advance 

Lew

Re: [colorvision_group] Spider 3 print printing templates

2008-09-30 by cdtobie


On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:47:17 AM, Lew wrote:
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I am having trouble with my profile for an epson R290,
I have printed & read the template but the profile is off sky blues
have a mauve hue. What driver settings should i set on the printer
prior to printing the template. I believe this may be where my problem
is. I want to use the profile with Lightroom 2 & cs3.
you can see an example of the print at :-
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1003&thread=2949548
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I can't imagine why people post to the DPReview forums with questions; I find it to be the least accurate and most edgy place to get information!

Well, the whole workflow is in question. You need to be printing the target with No Color Management (or your driver's equivalent) selected, for a start. And you need to then print the test images from SpyderProof to assure that your profile is correct. There is no way to tell from a distance that your own test image was handled properly at all points, and that the sky colors are appropriate and in gamut. However if you print a sky image direct from SpyderProof, that is a known entity, from a known printing route, and the only thing you have to be sure to do is to, again, turn off color management in your driver, and use the same settings as when you printed the target. So let us know if the blue sky image from SpyderProof looks Magenta. If not, its not your profile, its your workflow or your image. If so, then we can actually consider your profile process and settings.

--

C. David Tobie

WW Product Technology Manager

Digital Imaging & Home Theater

Datacolor

CDTobie@datacolor.com

www.datacolor.com/Spyder3

Re: Spider 3 print printing templates

2008-10-01 by Lew

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 Dear Mr Tobie,
 I am sorry that I upset you by seeking help through another source.
 I initially posted here and read your response with interest. I sent
you a direct reply to you on the 24/9/08 but did not get a reply I
have subsequently reviewed this & noted I made a mistake with your
address by placing a double TT in the address. I appologise for any
offence I may have caused you or your company. 
I trust you will accept my regret so I will push on with resolving the
issue that has arisen from my lack of under standing of this Colour
management process, and we can move forward.

Now in the advanced section of the R290 driver to switch to no colour
management I must first select ICM is this correct?
In this section I also have drop down menus for  Paper & Quality, here
is an option for Draft, Photo  & Photo RPM 
What are the Pro & cons for selecting here Photo RPM & not Photo?
And what selection would you make?

As I have Spyder3Print and not spyder3 elite can i still print the
image in question from with in this program or am I restricted to the
16 set images on the last screen of the profiling process?
 The sky image you refer to is image #10 yes.

 I do Sincerely appreciate your help in this education process.

Kind regards
Lew Hylton

> ----------
> I can't imagine why people post to the DPReview forums with
questions; I find it to be the least accurate and most edgy place to
get information! 
> 
> Well, the whole workflow is in question. You need to be printing the
target with No Color Management (or your driver's equivalent)
selected, for a start. And you need to then print the test images from
SpyderProof to assure that your profile is correct. There is no way to
tell from a distance that your own test image was handled properly at
all points, and that the sky colors are appropriate and in gamut.
However if you print a sky image direct from SpyderProof, that is a
known entity, from a known printing route, and the only thing you have
to be sure to do is to, again, turn off color management in your
driver, and use the same settings as when you printed the target. So
let us know if the blue sky image from SpyderProof looks Magenta. If
not, its  not your profile, its your workflow or your image. If so,
then we can actually consider your profile process and settings.
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> 
> --
> 
> C. David Tobie
> 
> WW Product Technology Manager
> 
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> 
> Datacolor
> 
> CDTobie@...
> 
> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spider 3 print printing templates

2008-10-01 by cdtobie


On Oct 1, 2008, at 5:06:05 AM, Lew wrote:
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I am sorry that I upset you by seeking help through another source.
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Photokina week is crazy, and we all get a little crazy too, dealing with it. I did not mean to imply that you are not free to ask questions where ever you like; I was just observing that the forum in question has a very high 'bad/irrelevant answer' ratio, and a lot of rants, and I don't quite understand why people would attempt to get technical answers there...
 I initially posted here and read your response with interest. I sent
you a direct reply to you on the 24/9/08 but did not get a reply I
have subsequently reviewed this & noted I made a mistake with your
address by placing a double TT in the address. I appologise for any
offence I may have caused you or your company. 
I trust you will accept my regret so I will push on with resolving the
issue that has arisen from my lack of under standing of this Colour
management process, and we can move forward.
_______

Wow... not being a head of state, I'm not used to quite that level of formality and diplomacy. But yes, lets look at your problem, either here, or off list, which ever proves more appropriate.

Now in the advanced section of the R290 driver to switch to no colour
management I must first select ICM is this correct?
_______

If you are on a PC, and there is a setting named ICM, then its a pretty sure shot that choosing that, and an "off" or "none" setting within it, is the right answer.
In this section I also have drop down menus for  Paper & Quality, here
is an option for Draft, Photo  & Photo RPM 
What are the Pro & cons for selecting here Photo RPM & not Photo?
And what selection would you make?
_______

Be careful not to mistake media setting options with ICM profile options. If you have another place to define your paper type, and this is a list of ICM (aka:ICC) profiles, then choose "none" or "off" instead. If you can choose both the none/off option, AND paper names, then this sounds like a media type list, and you chould choose an appropriate media type here...

As I have Spyder3Print and not spyder3 elite can i still print the
image in question from with in this program or am I restricted to the
16 set images on the last screen of the profiling process?
_________

SpyderProof in Elite is just for seeing the matrix of 16 sample images with and without calibration, through your display profile. SpyderProof in Print is for seeing the matrix with and without softproof of your printer profile, and for actually printing any or all of them through that profile as well. There is no option in either application, at this time, for printing your own images. Sorry...
 The sky image you refer to is image #10 yes.
____

The one that comes to mind is the one of the Adobe Church. This was shot at about 8000 feet above sea level, in low humidity, with a clear sky, so its about as intense a sky gradient as you can ask for. It was added to the matrix to attempt to address the lack of sky blues in the previous (PDI) test image we provided. It also has some other virtues, but thats the key one for this case.

 I do Sincerely appreciate your help in this education process.

________

My pleasure...

--

C. David Tobie

WW Product Technology Manager

Digital Imaging & Home Theater

Datacolor

CDTobie@...

www.datacolor.com/Spyder3

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