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I've found i've cut up about 100 A5 sized Canon Photo paper pro and can't find anymore A4 size from the same batch to profile. Can you pls advise how i can profile these A5 size paper? I'm guessing that i can use the 225 patch CD target files (4 of them) and print it through Photoshop CS5 - right? I can resize these to fit the A5 paper but i'm confused about the correct printer settings in CS5 to use to print them out without any profiles. This is my proposal - tell me if i'm wrong: 
Color management - set to Document (Profile: Untagged RGB), Color Handling - Photoshop Manages Colors, now i'm stumped at the next one.......reading previous threads CD TOBIE recommends i choose a printer profile. Is this correct? It doesn't make sense at that part -what if i chose the wrong printer profile - wouldn't that make the patches come out wrongly.

another question - assuming i've successfully printed the patches out correctly - how should i read them and through which part of the v4.1.1 Spyderprint that'll enable these 225 x 4 patch readings?

Thank-you.

On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:06 AM, ed_limmy wrote:

> I've found i've cut up about 100 A5 sized Canon Photo paper pro and  
> can't find anymore A4 size from the same batch to profile. Can you  
> pls advise how i can profile these A5 size paper? I'm guessing that  
> i can use the 225 patch CD target files (4 of them) and print it  
> through Photoshop CS5 - right? I can resize these to fit the A5  
> paper but i'm confused about the correct printer settings in CS5 to  
> use to print them out without any profiles.

There are also four "quadrant" targets in the Targets folder, that can  
be printed even on snapshot size sheets, then taped together to create  
a full page target. I wouldn't try reading these in strip mode, but  
they should be fine a patch at a time...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:06 AM, ed_limmy wrote:
> 
> > I've found i've cut up about 100 A5 sized Canon Photo paper pro and  
> > can't find anymore A4 size from the same batch to profile. Can you  
> > pls advise how i can profile these A5 size paper? I'm guessing that  
> > i can use the 225 patch CD target files (4 of them) and print it  
> > through Photoshop CS5 - right? I can resize these to fit the A5  
> > paper but i'm confused about the correct printer settings in CS5 to  
> > use to print them out without any profiles.
> 
> There are also four "quadrant" targets in the Targets folder, that can  
> be printed even on snapshot size sheets, then taped together to create  
> a full page target. I wouldn't try reading these in strip mode, but  
> they should be fine a patch at a time...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> CDTobie@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Datacolor
> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>
Thank-you. So i'll print them out and read them from 1 - 4 in sequence as if it was on 1 A4 page- i think i get it. But can you pls advise the exact printer dialog settings to use on PHotoshop CS5? 

I should be printing these without any profiles - right? How do i do that through CS5 exactly - please?

On Sep 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM, ed_limmy wrote:

> Thank-you. So i'll print them out and read them from 1 - 4 in  
> sequence as if it was on 1 A4 page- i think i get it. But can you  
> pls advise the exact printer dialog settings to use on PHotoshop CS5?
>
> I should be printing these without any profiles - right? How do i do  
> that through CS5 exactly - please?

I'll let Dave Miller give you those directions, as he has been  
practicing that with the various combinations. Not as easy as it  
should be...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

> I should be printing these without any profiles - right? How do i do that through CS5 exactly - please?
> 
> 

Yes, that's right, and with CS5, it's gotten trickier to do that from Photoshop,
since they've removed their "No Color Management" setting in their Print dialog.

Adobe has posted a description of how to print with no color management in CS5;
use "Solution #3" here:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/834/cpsid_83497.html

(just follow the instructions; the .tif files in the Spyder3Print "Targets" folder
are all untagged image files)


David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

For those of you with an interest in the new SpyderCheckr product:

http://www.fototv.com/blog/photokinatv_spydercheckr

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

>

David,

 

I saw the video yesterday. It looks interesting!  Why did you guys make the
corrections as HSL Presets rather than as Camera Calibration settings and
Profiles?

 

Regards,

Lloyd

>>I saw the video yesterday. It looks interesting!  Why did you guys make the corrections as HSL Presets rather than as Camera Calibration settings and Profiles?

24 points of control instead of six was too tempting to pass up...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:53 PM, "Lloyd O'Daniel" <lhodaniel@...> wrote:

> I saw the video yesterday. It looks interesting!  Why did you guys make the corrections as HSL Presets rather than as Camera Calibration settings and Profiles?

It was fun to see what you looked like!

JAS 
Sent from my iPad


On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:33 PM, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>>I saw the video yesterday. It looks interesting!  Why did you guys make the corrections as HSL Presets rather than as Camera Calibration settings and Profiles?

24 points of control instead of six was too tempting to pass up...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:53 PM, "Lloyd O'Daniel" <lhodaniel@...> wrote:

I saw the video yesterday. It looks interesting!  Why did you guys make the corrections as HSL Presets rather than as Camera Calibration settings and Profiles?

>>It was fun to see what you looked like!

Like Garrison Keilor, I have a face made for radio. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Old Ameritech <platinumjstrain@ameritech.net> wrote:

> 
> It was fun to see what you looked like!

>>C D Tobie <CDTobie@...>:  For those of you with an interest in the new SpyderCheckr product:  http://www.fototv.com/blog/photokinatv_spydercheckr

What's the trick to getting the video to play? Tried yesterday and no luck...tried again today and I've been waiting 15 minutes for it to load and nothing--the status indicator states "transferring data from gw051.lphbs.com..."

Running with a relatively fast broadband connection...

Thanks...

Terrie
http://tlbtlb.com/
tlbtlb@...

Nah, rather like a rugged western star!  :-)

So when is this wonder due to hit the streets?  (As it were)

Jack Winberg  (*Pre-ordered, eagerly awaiting)

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>
> >>It was fun to see what you looked like!
> 
> Like Garrison Keilor, I have a face made for radio. 
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging and Home Theater
> Datacolor inc. 
> cdtobie@...
> www.datacolor.com
> 
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Old Ameritech <platinumjstrain@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > It was fun to see what you looked like!
>

>>Nah, rather like a rugged western star!  :-)

John Wayne is not my idol...

So when is this wonder due to hit the streets?  (As it were)

It's released, and in full production, but demand is huge, so I can't begin to predict when we'll actually be able to fulfill our backlog. 

Jack Winberg  (*Pre-ordered, eagerly awaiting)

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:52 AM, "jwinberg1" <jack.winberg@verizon.net> wrote:

> Nah, rather like a rugged western star!  :-)
> 
> So when is this wonder due to hit the streets?  (As it were)
> 
> Jack Winberg  (*Pre-ordered, eagerly awaiting)

>>I am not sure if you didn't see this already, but I posted some questions about this new product.

>>1) How is it better than the X-Rite Passport?

The SpyderCheckr is a full size studio target, with larger patches, not a pocket target. So it's not quite fair to compare it to the PassPort. The Passport uses 24 small patches to build profiles, and, like you, I don't really think building profiles is an ideal thing to be doing casually on site for every condition. The SpyderCheckr uses 48 much larger patches. It does fold, so it is smaller than other studio targets, and it is covered when not in use. It also has a tripod mount, which is a very convenient feature for a color target, which none of the other targets on the market offer. And it has replaceable patch sheets, which is also a unique feature.  


>>2) Since you use Presets and not "Calibration Profiles", is it possible to do dual luminance profiles with this product?

We have a tool for building multiple presets from any two presets for a given camera, but I don't really find there to be any need for multiple profiles, since our pigment patches really don't change significantly under most light sources. We use a different system, where the white balance and exposure settings are set from a shot with the SpyderCube, which is a much more reasonable tool to be using in the field. You shoot the Checkr in a much more controlled situation, and don't need to carry it around and shoot it on site. 

>>I find the Passport difficult to use in most situations where you are not shooting in studio lighting as much of my shooting lighting is inconsistent and unpredictable and would require many reference shots per shoot.  I suspect this wouldn't be much different with the SpyderCheckr product.

Actually it would be a lot different... See above. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Vampire D <vampired@...> wrote:

> I am not sure if you didn't see this already, but I posted some questions about this new product.
> 
> 1) How is it better than the X-Rite Passport?
> 2) Since you use Presets and not "Calibration Profiles", is it possible to do dual luminance profiles with this product?
> 
> I find the Passport difficult to use in most situations where you are not shooting in studio lighting as much of my shooting lighting is inconsistent and unpredictable and would require many reference shots per shoot.  I suspect this wouldn't be much different with the SpyderCheckr product.

>>Are you saying with the SpyderCheckr you can take one reference shot in good lighting and use that a preset and never have to do it again unless you change cameras (NOT lighting?).

Just a quick reply from a slow connection in the Sud Tyrol: I can't claim that calibration data will be perfect under absolutely any lighting from a single capture; but reasonable lighting conditions aren't showing any significant differences, so one capture should work for a fairly wide range of conditions. The SpyderCube is then used to supply lighting info such as color temperature, tint, exposure and blacks from the particular scene lighting to supplement the color data from the camera calibration. I've been having great results with this system, and will be interested to hear from others as they are able to try it.  

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Vampire D <vampired@...> wrote:

> Are you saying with the SpyderCheckr you can take one reference shot in good lighting and use that a preset and never have to do it again unless you change cameras (NOT lighting?).

>>I would really love to hear feedback on this as I don't really use the passport as I just can't set it up for every time the light changes.  I am advanced amateur daddy shooter.  Most of the time lighting is poor and changing.  When I shoot in a studio, a grey card shoot at the start is easy.

Exactly; the idea of building a camera calibration or profile for each and every situation, including Laredo at night in bars, etc, just is not a viable workflow. Our idea is that a quick shot of the Cube is quite a lot easier, and the camera target doesn't need to be carried around, only shot in relatively controlled conditions, in a careful manner. The gray card face of the Checkr is great for studio work as well.

>>I am concerned with deviation of my actual camera, and that's where I really would love a calibration/profile that is lighting independent and will color correct my camera to what it should be shooting regardless of the lighting and image being shot. For example, if it tends to shoot the red channel higher or something along those lines.  I know it does to some degree, but I just can't make DNG profiles 1-15 times I shoot.

Right, that's the idea we are pursuing: camera specific corrections to color that are as global as possible, if you want additional scene specific data, that would be the Cube... 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Vampire D <vampired@...> wrote:

> 
> I would really love to hear feedback on this as I don't really use the passport as I just can't set it up for every time the light changes.  I am advanced amateur daddy shooter.  Most of the time lighting is poor and changing.  When I shoot in a studio, a grey card shoot at the start is easy.
> 
> I am concerned with deviation of my actual camera, and that's where I really would love a calibration/profile that is lighting independent and will color correct my camera to what it should be shooting regardless of the lighting and image being shot. For example, if it tends to shoot the red channel higher or something along those lines.  I know it does to some degree, but I just can't make DNG profiles 1-15 times I shoot.

I just tried it, clicking on the link in your email and the video started
within about 20-30 seconds.  I don't have a super fast connection - 1.2MB
DLS line.

You might try again.

Rick

>>C D Tobie <CDTobie@...>:  For those of you with an interest in the new SpyderCheckr product:  http://www.fototv.com/blog/photokinatv_spydercheckr

>>What's the trick to getting the video to play?

It's at other locations on the Internet; I even found one where it will run on the iOS... Look for a other source. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging and Home Theater
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Sep 23, 2010, at 3:30 PM, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:

>>> C D Tobie <CDTobie@...>:  For those of you with an interest in the new SpyderCheckr product:  http://www.fototv.com/blog/photokinatv_spydercheckr
> 
> What's the trick to getting the video to play?

>>"Rick Ryan" <rmryan@...>: I just tried it, clicking on the link in your email and the video started within about 20-30 seconds.  I don't have a super fast connection - 1.2MB DLS line. You might try again.

I can't believe that my post which I sent on September 23rd has *finally* shown up on the list...who knows how long this post will take to appear? '-}}

I tried the video again and it still won't load--on one attempt a couple of weeks ago, I just let it go for over an hour and it never loaded...oh well...

Thanks...

Terrie
http://tlbtlb.com/
tlbtlb@...