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CAM - Color Appearance Models

CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-17 by Tom

Now that I've read a lot more about color and color appearance it
seems that there really aren't any photographic print programs out on
the market that deliberately take illuminant into account.  Certainly
PhotoShop doesn't have anything even close to a setting for the
adaptation field light source.

Is that the arena of high end printing and publishing or does this
simply not exist.

Thanks

Tom

Re: [colorvision_group] CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-17 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/17/06 12:14:20 PM, ttrostel@... writes:


Now that I've read a lot more about color and color appearance it
seems that there really aren't any photographic print programs out on
the market that deliberately take illuminant into account. Certainly
PhotoShop doesn't have anything even close to a setting for the
adaptation field light source.


Given that they are using ICC color management (which assumes D50, 2 degree observer) how would they do that, beyond adding whitepoint transform functions, as monitor profiles used with Photoshop already do?

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...

www.colorvision.com

Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-17 by Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
 
> 
> Given that they are using ICC color management (which assumes D50, 2
degree 
> observer) how would they do that, beyond adding whitepoint transform
functions, 
> as monitor profiles used with Photoshop already do?
> 

A reverse transform from the D50 partialy adapted "source" state using
a  varient von Kries transform to a fully adapted space, then a
forward transform from that space to the target illuminant space.  For
the moment I'm going to ignore the surround effect and just go for
assuming a neutural background.

Its really not ICC management but adapting the picture to be viewed
correctly under a different illuminant.  I've almost finished my Java
source which can transform from one illuminant to another.  When its
done I can post some samples we can print out and evaluate.  If it
works well I can re-write in C++ and consider what to do with it :-)

Wish me luck!

Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-17 by Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <ttrostel@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention room lighting level cd/m^2 ambient is a big
component.  You can't measure simply color temperature.  It makes a
print which is highly specific to a particular viewing condition.

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-18 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/17/06 9:23:39 PM, ttrostel@... writes:


A reverse transform from the D50 partialy adapted "source" state using
a varient von Kries transform to a fully adapted space, then a
forward transform from that space to the target illuminant space. For
the moment I'm going to ignore the surround effect and just go for
assuming a neutural background.

Its really not ICC management but adapting the picture to be viewed
correctly under a different illuminant. I've almost finished my Java
source which can transform from one illuminant to another. When its
done I can post some samples we can print out and evaluate. If it
works well I can re-write in C++ and consider what to do with it :-)



You may want to read the whitepoint transform whitepaper on the ColorVision website...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...

www.colorvision.com

Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-18 by Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

> 
> You may want to read the whitepoint transform whitepaper on the
ColorVision 
> website...
> 

Where are the whitepapers?

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-18 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/18/06 2:01:32 PM, ttrostel@... writes:


> You may want to read the whitepoint transform whitepaper on the
ColorVision
> website...
>

Where are the whitepapers?


When I dig up a copy I'll send it to you...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...

www.colorvision.com

Re: CAM - Color Appearance Models

2006-03-19 by Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

> 
> When I dig up a copy I'll send it to you...
> 

You are again too kind.

Thank you

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