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PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-04-04 by nwkcmk123

At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 size
paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, will there
be any support for 4R size paper profiling?

Re: [colorvision_group] PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-04-04 by CDTobie@aol.com

4R (4"x6") printers are often used directly from the camera card, and 
are not profilable in that workflow. If you are using a letter/A4 
printer, but printing on 4R paper with it, the easiest solution is to 
get a few sheets of the 4R paper you are interested in profiling at 
letter or A4 size for profiling purposes. If you can't acquire larger 
sheets of it, then the target can be cut into quarters, and taped 
together after printing (or if you are crafty, taped together from the 
back before printing, to form an 8x10 sheet). We may add quartered 
targets to the raster targets in the Targets folder at some point, but 
I don't envision adding quartersheet target printing in the interface 
at any time soon. One user reports that its possible (but requires 
precision) to measure the target printed on a single sheet of 4R paper, 
but you'd need to set it up carefully with no margins to maximize patch 
size, and measure very carefully!

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
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From: nwkcmk123 <nwkcmk123@...>
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Subject: [colorvision_group] PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

   At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 size
paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, will there
be any support for 4R size paper profiling?







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Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-04-04 by nwkcmk123

Hi David,
  It will be nice to have 4R profilling incorporate into future
release  of PrintFix Pro software. Yes, I'm using my A4 printer to do
quite a lot of 4R prints and on various types of paper. Indeed at the
moment, I used the method you mentioned in profile 4R papers but it
will cut down a lot of manual work for me if this feature is available.
   Anyway, thanks for your prompt reply.

Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by shmuelmandelbaum

Please!
ColorVision,
please consider updating your software for 4x6 printers.
i have a dedicated sony printer that i would like to calibrate.
otherwise, i have had printfix pro for 3 days and am very impressed.
thank you,
Shmuel


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "nwkcmk123" <nwkcmk123@...> 
wrote:
>
> At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 size
> paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, will 
there
> be any support for 4R size paper profiling?
>

[colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by David Miller

Please!
ColorVision,
please consider updating your software for 4x6 printers.
i have a dedicated sony printer that i would like to calibrate.
otherwise, i have had printfix pro for 3 days and am very impressed.
thank you,
Shmuel

Hello Shmuel,

Glad you like what you've seen so far!

There's a way you can profile a 4x6 printer with the existing software, if
you subdivide the 225 patch target in Photoshop and print it on separate
4x6 sheets:

- Open up the Targets subfolder in the main PrintFIX PRO folder.

- You'll find a Photoshop-compatible version of the 225 patch target there:
High Quality Target.tif.

- You can open this and print it directly from Photoshop. It's an untagged
.tif file; make sure, when you open it, that you leave it that way (Photoshop
should NOT color manage it).

- LIkewise, you can break this image file up into subsections, and print them
separately on 4x6 sheets. You can probably get rows 1-8, columns A-H in the
first print; 1-8, I-O in the 2nd; 9-15, A-H in the 3rd; and 9-15, I-O in
the 4th. Crop these as tightly as you can and print them with the patches
as large as possible on the 4x6 sheets. (If you're going to do this for
several papers, and for future use, save 4 new .tif files for yourself
once you've broken it up this way, so that it will be easy to open and
print them again later).

- Once you've printed these, with no color management (make SURE you have
this set right: in Photoshop's Print With Preview dialog: no color
management; and likewise, turned off in the printer driver); you can
measure from them and build a profile. Just make sure you measure the patches
in the proper order.


Best regards,


David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision



--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "nwkcmk123"
wrote:
>
> At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 size
> paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, will
there
> be any support for 4R size paper profiling?
>

Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by shmuelmandelbaum

David
thank you very much for the info.
i will try this sometime this week.
this may sound crazy, but i read that the best profile for a dye-sub 
printer would be with the largest ~750 color target.  
Is this possible as well?
thank you very much,
Shmuel


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> >Please!
> >ColorVision,
> >please consider updating your software for 4x6 printers.
> >i have a dedicated sony printer that i would like to calibrate.
> >otherwise, i have had printfix pro for 3 days and am very 
impressed.
> >thank you,
> >Shmuel
> 
> Hello Shmuel,
> 
> Glad you like what you've seen so far!
> 
> There's a way you can profile a 4x6 printer with the existing 
software, if
> you subdivide the 225 patch target in Photoshop and print it on 
separate
> 4x6 sheets:
> 
> - Open up the Targets subfolder in the main PrintFIX PRO folder.
> 
> - You'll find a Photoshop-compatible version of the 225 patch 
target there:
> High Quality Target.tif.
> 
> - You can open this and print it directly from Photoshop. It's an 
untagged
> .tif file; make sure, when you open it, that you leave it that way 
(Photoshop
> should NOT color manage it).
> 
> - LIkewise, you can break this image file up into subsections, and 
print them
> separately on 4x6 sheets. You can probably get rows 1-8, columns A-
H in the
> first print; 1-8, I-O in the 2nd; 9-15, A-H in the 3rd; and 9-15, 
I-O in
> the 4th. Crop these as tightly as you can and print them with the 
patches
> as large as possible on the 4x6 sheets. (If you're going to do 
this for
> several papers, and for future use, save 4 new .tif files for 
yourself
> once you've broken it up this way, so that it will be easy to open 
and
> print them again later).
> 
> - Once you've printed these, with no color management (make SURE 
you have
> this set right: in Photoshop's Print With Preview dialog: no color
> management; and likewise, turned off in the printer driver); you 
can
> measure from them and build a profile. Just make sure you measure 
the patches
> in the proper order.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
> 
> 
> 
> >--- In 
> ><mailto:colorvision_group%
40yahoogroups.com>colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, 
> >"nwkcmk123" <nwkcmk123@>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>  At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 
size
> >>  paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, 
will
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> >there
> >  > be any support for 4R size paper profiling?
> >>
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 8/20/06 10:37:29 PM, sm8770@... writes:


please consider updating your software for 4x6 printers.
i have a dedicated sony printer that i would like to calibrate.
otherwise, i have had printfix pro for 3 days and am very impressed.


We've certainly heard this request before. The problem is that most 4x6 users don't even print from a computer, but directly from the card, where we can't fix their color for them. But its certainly possible to profile a 4x6 with PrintFIX PRO as is; and we are planning to, at least add 4x6 targets to the raster target folder for users who wish to profile such printers. In the meantime, its not much harder to quarter the targets yourself than to have the cut in quarters for you in the targets folder. Reading tools don't need to be changed, since the target is reassembled before reading.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com

www.colorvision.com

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by Walt Mucha

You can use the same method David outlined. I find the 225 patch target works for my needs. I would try that first. Needless to say it's imperative to read the patches in their proper order no matter which target you use.

Walt
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>From: shmuelmandelbaum [mailto:sm8770@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 02:34 AM
>To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request
>
>David
>thank you very much for the info.
>i will try this sometime this week.
>this may sound crazy, but i read that the best profile for a dye-sub 
>printer would be with the largest ~750 color target.  
>Is this possible as well?
>thank you very much,
>Shmuel
>
>
>--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
>wrote:
>>
>> >Please!
>> >ColorVision,
>> >please consider updating your software for 4x6 printers.
>> >i have a dedicated sony printer that i would like to calibrate.
>> >otherwise, i have had printfix pro for 3 days and am very 
>impressed.
>> >thank you,
>> >Shmuel
>> 
>> Hello Shmuel,
>> 
>> Glad you like what you've seen so far!
>> 
>> There's a way you can profile a 4x6 printer with the existing 
>software, if
>> you subdivide the 225 patch target in Photoshop and print it on 
>separate
>> 4x6 sheets:
>> 
>> - Open up the Targets subfolder in the main PrintFIX PRO folder.
>> 
>> - You'll find a Photoshop-compatible version of the 225 patch 
>target there:
>> High Quality Target.tif.
>> 
>> - You can open this and print it directly from Photoshop. It's an 
>untagged
>> .tif file; make sure, when you open it, that you leave it that way 
>(Photoshop
>> should NOT color manage it).
>> 
>> - LIkewise, you can break this image file up into subsections, and 
>print them
>> separately on 4x6 sheets. You can probably get rows 1-8, columns A-
>H in the
>> first print; 1-8, I-O in the 2nd; 9-15, A-H in the 3rd; and 9-15, 
>I-O in
>> the 4th. Crop these as tightly as you can and print them with the 
>patches
>> as large as possible on the 4x6 sheets. (If you're going to do 
>this for
>> several papers, and for future use, save 4 new .tif files for 
>yourself
>> once you've broken it up this way, so that it will be easy to open 
>and
>> print them again later).
>> 
>> - Once you've printed these, with no color management (make SURE 
>you have
>> this set right: in Photoshop's Print With Preview dialog: no color
>> management; and likewise, turned off in the printer driver); you 
>can
>> measure from them and build a profile. Just make sure you measure 
>the patches
>> in the proper order.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> David Miller
>> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
>> ColorVision
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >--- In 
>> ><mailto:colorvision_group%
>40yahoogroups.com>colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, 
>> >"nwkcmk123" <nwkcmk123@>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  At the moment, PrintFix Pro software allow us to profile A4 
>size
>> >>  paper. I wonder in future release of PrintFix Pro software, 
>will
>> >there
>> >  > be any support for 4R size paper profiling?
>> >>
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Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by Andrew Darlow

Hi David:

When I read the info you posted about profiling 4x6, I got to thinking that one could probably profile CDs/DVDs as well with Print Fix Pro.

Can you describe the procedure for efficiently splitting up the smallest profiling chart?

Have you tried this with an Epson R200/220/R800/R1800?

All the best,

Andrew Darlow

-----------------------------------------
Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet


Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 8/21/06 3:09:26 PM, ad@... writes:


When I read the info you posted about profiling 4x6, I got to thinking that one could probably profile CDs/DVDs as well with Print Fix Pro.

Can you describe the procedure for efficiently splitting up the smallest profiling chart?

Have you tried this with an Epson R200/220/R800/R1800?

As I believe is described in the PFP help, 4x6 and 5x7 printers are profiled by simply opening the 225 patch one page TIFF target in Photoshop, and cutting it into quadrants betweeen rows and columns, printing each quadrant on a 4x6 or 5x7 sheet, and after drying, taping the quadrants together from the back to form the full target for reading. All we would be doing in the future is supplying these quadrants precut.

CD printing, unfortunately, is not a very "photo quality" process, but you are not the first person to suggest CD targets. For CDs it would take a minimum of two or three disks to get even the 125 patch target covered. Since there is an innate conflict between a rectalinear array of patches and a round CD with a hole in the middle, my idea is to produce CD blank images that have the patches rotationally around the CD, so that you put the CD into a CD case, and rotate to read patches without moving the spectro, then move in a row, and rotate again. We have not produced such targets yet, but are considering including TIFF format 4x6 and CD targets in the Target folder of a future version.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...

www.colorvision.com

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-21 by Andrew Darlow

Hi David:

Thanks so much for the excellent info. I've heard a lot of complaints from people about the quality they are getting when printing CDs/DVDs, so this might be a popular option, especially for the 125 patch target. Of course, if the Dmax and gamut on specific disks with specific printers is low to begin with, then there is only so much a profile can do. I assume this would allow color thermal printers to use the same procedure, but please let me know.

Thanks,

Andrew

-----------------------------------------
Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet





On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:21 PM, CDTobie@... wrote:


In a message dated 8/21/06 3:09:26 PM, ad@andrewdarlow.com writes:


When I read the info you posted about profiling 4x6, I got to thinking that one could probably profile CDs/DVDs as well with Print Fix Pro.

Can you describe the procedure for efficiently splitting up the smallest profiling chart?

Have you tried this with an Epson R200/220/R800/R1800?

As I believe is described in the PFP help, 4x6 and 5x7 printers are profiled by simply opening the 225 patch one page TIFF target in Photoshop, and cutting it into quadrants betweeen rows and columns, printing each quadrant on a 4x6 or 5x7 sheet, and after drying, taping the quadrants together from the back to form the full target for reading. All we would be doing in the future is supplying these quadrants precut.

CD printing, unfortunately, is not a very "photo quality" process, but you are not the first person to suggest CD targets. For CDs it would take a minimum of two or three disks to get even the 125 patch target covered. Since there is an innate conflict between a rectalinear array of patches and a round CD with a hole in the middle, my idea is to produce CD blank images that have the patches rotationally around the CD, so that you put the CD into a CD case, and rotate to read patches without moving the spectro, then move in a row, and rotate again. We have not produced such targets yet, but are considering including TIFF format 4x6 and CD targets in the Target folder of a future version.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com

www.colorvision.com




Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PrintFix Pro Software - feature request

2006-08-22 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 8/21/06 4:21:41 PM, ad@... writes:


I assume this would allow color thermal printers to use the same procedure, but please let me know.


Yes. DyeSub and Thermal printers can be profiled the same way. If they are extremely non-linear (and some of them are...) then more patches can produce a better result. But given the medium the patches are being printed on, printing more than 150 seems unreasonable...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...

www.colorvision.com

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